File management - questions.

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Just wondering how everyone manages their files, I have a couple of main questions :)

If you shoot in RAW do you then keep a copy of the RAW file along with the edited version or do you delete the RAW?

How do you store your files? Are they saved using microsoft in 'your pictures' or do you organise them using photoshop or some other software?

Any other tips? :thinking: :lol:
 
Mine are saved by event, then date. Mainly shoot jpeg but I always keep the original and normally delete the processed stuff once it's been printed, sounds daft I know.
 
- I always keep the raw file, rawtherapee stores a .pp file so there's no need to keep the converted files in other than web format (usually 680x450 px or 710xdon'trememberthisone px)
- I have partitioned my HDD and I keep my photos on a separate partition
- I just use a sensible directory tree organisation (using windows explorer) - OS independent (more or less):

folder naming: place->year->monthnumber_monthname->date_eventname (usually just date instead of date_eventname)
 
I shoot RAW then import into Lightroom using the DNG format. I then just backup the entire drive on-site and off-site. I did have a negative drive originally but found it pointless in the end as I have a decent backup policy. I do organise them in a directory tree making it easier to use the pictures across several computers.
 
All pictures stores in a hierarchy, main folder named pics, then by location/event, then date. Simple and easy to work through. Also helps to key word stuff if you have the relevant software. If you cannot find a pic by above method, then do a search on key word.

I mainly shout raw and tend to keep all the files, worth saving that is. All oof and naff stuff goes in the bin.


HTH
 
As I shoot mainly sport, have folders cricket, rugby etc,
then sub folders TeamAvTeamB130908 etc........
photos then named 130908_001 etc, add the key words
and it all makes sense to me.
If I shoot raw I'd keep them in the same folder as the edit shot:),

then back up on desktop or laptop and external hard drive.
 
hi nichola if your going to delete files what ever you do DONT delete the raw files you can do much more with these than any jpeg or similar file :bonk::bonk::wave:
 
If you use a date as part of your folder name, use a reverse date format so it's easier to sort.

e.g.

2008-01-15_Bobs birthday
2008-01-27_Toms & Jess Engagement
2008-01-30_Charity football match
 
Agree with dinorock, don't delete the RAW files - it would be like binning your negatives after you've had prints made from them :nono:

I used to shoot on film back in the day (well until this year :) ) and numbered each roll sequentially (I shot roll no. 1 on the Isle of Wight when I was 15, which was - er - a few years ago :D ). I now archive my RAW files on to CD-Rs, and number those. Each one gets stored in a lever arch file with a contact sheet made in Lightroom. Additionally, I keep a copy of each CD-R on an external hard disk, so all my pics are easily accessible.

I don't shoot that many pics, and I can get 40-50 RAW files on a CD-R. DVD-Rs would work just as well if you've got more pics to store.

Having the RAW files on a hard disk means I could use Lightroom to sort them according to category etc. - I've not got around to this yet, but it's nice to know it's easily doable. It also keeps any adjustments I make to the RAW files in Adobe Camera Raw.

A.
 
I organise mine like this :

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I delete customer RAWs after six months. I tend to keep the personal ones.

Duncan
 
I save all my RAWs' into a folder structure like this:

Digital Camera/Year/Q1 Jan-Mar/Date + text description.

I use Lightroom to catalague my images so the folder structure is less of an issue. I always keep the RAW, Lightroom applies non-permanent changes to the RAW which is very convenient and saves stacks of disk space.

I am planning to start to import files into LR as a DNG file type at which point I will probably bin the RAWs. This is because the RAW format is specific to a camera whilst the DNG format keeps the same data but is a more common standard. In thirty years will I or my children still be able to read the RAW files from my 350d or 40d?
 
what happens when you all run out of hard drive? What sort of backups do you use? I now find DVD are not big enough :( and I already have 10 portable devices from 500G up so what next

Anything less than a year old is kept online - my PC synchronises with a Drobo storage unit, with about 3TB of space (4 x 1TB drives). Another copy is kept on a hard disc in a fire safe.

Anything older is backed up on to two hard discs, and kept in the safe. I have a drive cradle in the PC that lets me hot-swap SATA drives like a floppy.
 
I'm just getting into Photoshop Elements for sorting my images into albumns. I have them on my pc in a directory tree like so...

year\event\eventname - 001 etc .jpg

I like Elements organiser because you can add key words for searchin which is useful as someone else has already commented.

I back up to DVD at the end of summer, autumn, spring, winter. Plus back up any important events like holidays or family weddings etc.
 
Anything less than a year old is kept online - my PC synchronises with a Drobo storage unit, with about 3TB of space (4 x 1TB drives). Another copy is kept on a hard disc in a fire safe.

Anything older is backed up on to two hard discs, and kept in the safe. I have a drive cradle in the PC that lets me hot-swap SATA drives like a floppy.

You do have a great set-up. Where did you get the SATA cradle from?
 
i mainly shoot in raw and import into lightroom, which saves all the original raw files in the pictures folder, i then have my photos folder which is split into categories, landscapes,waterscapes, transport etc... any photos that i edit i then save into the correct folder, both full size edits and web sized edits.

I have 1 hard drive that is used with time machine and automatically backs up every hour. i then have two other hard drives which i backup as much as possible. never had any problems so far (touch wood)
 
I think I need to invest in an external hard drive or something as at present all my files are saved onto my laptop and laptop only. Am just saving some onto cd's now just in case.
 
I keep the RAW file and an edited jpeg.
 
Can't remember, it's called an Icy Box.
Silly question time, I have an Icy Box, and a spare drive so can I just save pictures to the drive without formating it as a backup or is it more complicated than that?
(Sorry about the slight hijack)
 
If you use a date as part of your folder name, use a reverse date format so it's easier to sort.

e.g.

2008-01-15_Bobs birthday
2008-01-27_Toms & Jess Engagement
2008-01-30_Charity football match

Very much what I do!! :)
 
Silly question time, I have an Icy Box, and a spare drive so can I just save pictures to the drive without formating it as a backup or is it more complicated than that?
(Sorry about the slight hijack)

You just format it as a normal hard drive and use it in the same way - i.e. no special backup format. It should appear in your drives list when you plug it in.
 
If you use a date as part of your folder name, use a reverse date format so it's easier to sort.

e.g.

2008-01-15_Bobs birthday
2008-01-27_Toms & Jess Engagement
2008-01-30_Charity football match

Thanks -as usual simplest ideas are the best, and seem obvious as soon as someone tells you.
 
Some years ago when RAW first appeared I started working with them, first trying programs like Capture One, Bibble, Rawshooter, Photoshop, then finally Lightroom. I spent many hundreds of hours working on them, removing dust spots etc, then creating jpgs to keep and print. I did all this without reading up on RAWs, and therefore wasn't aware of xmp files and their significance. I was under the impression that all my work was stored within the RAW itself. Only later did I discover the importance of xmp files, which I had never created. So now, apart from the final jpgs, all those hours of work has been lost. Admittedly I'm unlikely to want to go through thousands of photos and do them all again, and the odd one here and there that I want to revisit will only take a few minutes to sort out dust etc. And I am increasingly going back to some of my earlier attempts and trying again with later programs like Lightroom 2 and improving upon them, both due to better programs and more experience. You can't do this with jpgs.

So I started creating the xmp files, which then led to the problem of keeping them with the RAWs. My Acdsee viewer is set to not show xmp, so every time I wanted to move things around, delete etc I had to reset it to show xmp. Then there was the renaming. Absolutely first job had to be rename the RAWs otherwise I had two renamings to do once an xmp had been created.

It all became a lot of work, so I moved over to DNG. All editing info is stored within the one DNG. No two files to keep or delete together. Simple renaming anytime. And they're slightly smaller than RAW. Once DNGs are created I delete the RAWs, which was a difficult decision at first but I'm comfortable with it now.

I've only started renaming in the past few months, after a few episodes of same name clashes produced by the two cameras I've used. I use the format 20081409 ### which keeps them in the correct order. I prefer the year at the beginning as I find it helps me find things easier. Having read Ephemeral's post on reverse date order I now see an even better advantage on reversing day and month too, which I'll start to follow now.

As for backup, I have things copied on to two hard drives initially - both internal, then on to an external after editing/renaming, and also on to a removable internal drive. Then I delete off the second internal drive to make space for new stuff. The final result is I have photos on three hard drives - one internal and two external.

I also copy to two dvds of different brands - in case one brand goes 'off' after a while and becomes unreadable. Been there - don't let it happen to you.

I know I should remove one set of copies out of the house but I don't seem to follow this practice as often as I should.

I've lost whole drives full of pictures on three occasions due to PC glitches, and used recovery software to get back most of those which I had failed to make backups of. But it is hours and hours of work, and best not to get in to that situation in the first place.
 
I'm starting to feel quite foolish about having them just saved onto my laptop :bonk: I couldn't put them on cd in the end as there was a problem with the batch I bought. I saw a hard drive in a mag £52 for 80gb which will do me fine for now.

Does anyone recommend a good external hard drive that is preferably under £70? It doesn't need to have huge storage at present.
 
My organisation is quite similar to WeddingHack, with minor differences. Firstly I keep Personal photos separated from Professional photos. Within each of those groups I keep Original (raw/JPEG) files separate from the edited/converted (Processed) JPEG files. Everything is then organised by year and then into month and event. My individual files are renamed on import to be YYMMDD_HHMMSS_filenumber, where filenumber is the image number as captured in the camera. This keeps my burst sequences in the correct order.

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I always keep my raw files, unless they are culled as being unwanted, and everything gets backed up from my laptop to a PC and also to a portable 120GB HDD on an ad-hoc basis. When I get round to it (months) I also backup from my main PC to another PC. The backups all include raw images, Lightroom catalogs and processed images. So in total I eventually have three-four copies of everything.
 
Scan.co.uk are worth looking at for an external drive.

Freecom 500Gb external drive is on special offer today @ £46.99+vat HERE
 
Thanks, will take a look at those :)
 
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