Female Photographers - Youtube channel and website

Status
Not open for further replies.
munch said:
To be honest comments like this just prove that we still have a long way to go when it comes to real equality.
Click to expand...
I don't know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with what I wrote. :thinking:
 
munch said:
Only a misogynist would agree with your original post.
Click to expand...
That's strange, my wife agreed with it. Does that make her a misogynist? What about the 7 others who agreed with it? Are they misogynists too?

Perhaps you just don't understand the point I was seeking to make?
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
That's strange, my wife agreed with it. Does that make her a misogynist? What about the 7 others who agreed with it? Are they misogynists too?

Perhaps you just don't understand the point I was seeking to make?
Click to expand...
Perhaps you need to explain your point better than.
 
Personally, I’d close it and wipe everything after Graham’s post at #9! It’s not good :(.
 
I'd better get my two pennyworth in before the thread closes then :LOL:

Firstly SheClicks is not about women making themselves heard, and it is not a forum. They organise webinars, meet ups and competitions and have a Facebook Group. I believe it is about building women's confidence in themselves, photography and business. There are some great photographers in their membership and quite a few professional ones.

I joined SheClicks a while ago and I confess it didn't feel quite right to have a group that was female only, however I've enjoyed some free webinars - including the imposter syndrome and dealing with rejection ones. There was an excellent one by Rosie Lalonde on flower photography. I think it's now on YouTube for everyone to enjoy.

It was a while before I owned up to being female on here. It's interesting that @Jannyfox and I are the only 'open' females that have commented in this thread and we both have a background of being female in male dominated worlds.
 
I am never any good with words but I'd like to say, as most know I shoot a lot of jazz most of whom are males but there are still quite a few women artists as well and I love to see that. Two Pro photographers that I know shoot the local jazz and are a joy to talk to and get some help/advice off. One is Andrew Roach and the other is a Lisa both are incredible photographers and I love talking and watching them. To me in the 21 century I think it's a sad state of affairs when men are judged better and it happens in most walks of life now.
 
Ed Sutton said:
That's a discussion for another thread. Owning a camera doesn't make one a photographer. :LOL:
Click to expand...
Besides ... given the number of people on here who endlessly pontificate and never post a photo, I'm not sure everyone owns a camera, let alone being photographers
 
I've got a camera. Honest! :wideyed:

Cameras Panasonic G9 and GM5 A65 DSC03472.JPG
 
Bebop said:
I'd better get my two pennyworth in before the thread closes then :LOL:

Firstly SheClicks is not about women making themselves heard, and it is not a forum. They organise webinars, meet ups and competitions and have a Facebook Group. I believe it is about building women's confidence in themselves, photography and business. There are some great photographers in their membership and quite a few professional ones.

I joined SheClicks a while ago and I confess it didn't feel quite right to have a group that was female only, however I've enjoyed some free webinars - including the imposter syndrome and dealing with rejection ones. There was an excellent one by Rosie Lalonde on flower photography. I think it's now on YouTube for everyone to enjoy.

It was a while before I owned up to being female on here. It's interesting that @Jannyfox and I are the only 'open' females that have commented in this thread and we both have a background of being female in male dominated worlds.
Click to expand...
Can I ask why you felt you had to hide being a female when you first joined?
 
munch said:
Can I ask why you felt you had to hide being a female when you first joined?
Click to expand...
I suppose I was nervous that I wouldn't be taken seriously. I also don't like confrontation. I was slightly nervous at the reception I would get with my comment, so I am thankful you are all kind :)

sirch said:
Thanks for posting @Bebop although you are at risk of spoiling a good argument with some actual facts and practical experience :)
Click to expand...
That made me chuckle. I could write a book :LOL: I feel I've often had to prove myself, but usually it just takes one thing and you're accepted.

When I visited one camera club with two male photographer friends, it was assumed that I was the partner of one of them. The Chairman interrupted my conversation with him to say that he just needed to go and tell the men about the competitions - I was dumbfounded. In the pub afterwards the three of us had a laugh about it - they had noticed the reception I got. I joined the club and came 1st and 2nd in the first competition I entered. I should mention the standard wasn't terribly high :ROFLMAO:

One pic was a triptych of an American truck, and one woman said she thought a man had taken it.... so stereotyping comes from women too.
 
Bebop said:
...and one woman said she thought a man had taken it.... so stereotyping comes from women too.
Click to expand...
Humans are humans regardless of sex.

Unlike most fauna, almost our entire behaviour is learned from those around us and we're not very good at discarding bad ideas.
 
Bebop said:
When I visited one camera club with two male photographer friends, it was assumed that I was the partner of one of them.
Click to expand...
Some of these things are entirely natural/accidental. If you were the first female photographer and it was fairly common for the males to bring their wives for some reason — I am not necessarily saying it wasn’t ’bias’ though.

It’s fairly common in my experience to be mistaken for others or for people to get your name wrong and so on and sometimes people make too much of it :(.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Humans are humans regardless of sex.
Click to expand...
Indeed they are and I absolutely love that there are little girls in my football photographs, that women can join the Antarctic Survey, that men can knit etc. etc. We have made progress.

sphexx said:
Some of these things are entirely natural/accidental. If you were the first female photographer and it was fairly common for the males to bring their wives for some reason — I am not necessarily saying it wasn’t ’bias’ though.

It’s fairly common in my experience to be mistaken for others or for people to get your name wrong and so on and sometimes people make too much of it :(.
Click to expand...
@sphexx Absolutely agree. I realised after I had joined that there was only one other woman in the club who wasn't there with a partner, so it put it into perspective and I forgave him :)
 
Whilst I agree we have made progress, It is sad that Bepop felt she had to hide her light under a bushel.

I suppose it is true that some of it is due to conditioning, but it is also true that some of it is just noticing differences. As an example, there are not many females driving HGVs in construction. So when I was out on site they stood out as being different. But if a wagon was reversing, you had no idea who was driving, it was all about how good they were. I never came across any female that couldn't do the job. Although that never stopped some going on about women drivers etc And I fully understand why that would put some women off.
 
Bebop said:
I realised after I had joined that there was only one other woman in the club who wasn't there with a partner, so it put it into perspective and I forgave him :)
Click to expand...

You see my wife would not have been so forgiving, ;)
 
Those posters who consider there is a fundamental difference between men and women, other than physiology and the consequences of that, are demonstrating perfectly the subconscious bias that is extraordinarily difficult to observe in yourself, still harder to acknowledge and change. It is to counter that that positive discrimination has some value (arguably) although it can also create negative reaction.

Consider for a moment, in my living memory it was common knowledge that black people were less intelligent than white (I'm being generous in saying that it no longer exists). After all, look how few senior professionals are black. Women are not as good artists as men, look at how few make it to the top ranks. In all cases the speaker fails to realise that they themselves, all their history and social construct goes to create the situation.

Oh, and prosopognosia, I haz it ;) The theory is that there is an area of the brain dedicated to facial recognition which can be non-functional to a greater or lesser degree in a small proportion of the population. I have driven past my daughter at a bus stop who was waving at me without recognising her.
 
Ham said:
Oh, and prosopognosia, I haz it ;) The theory is that there is an area of the brain dedicated to facial recognition which can be non-functional to a greater or lesser degree in a small proportion of the population. I have driven past my daughter at a bus stop who was waving at me without recognising her.
Click to expand...

Done similar with my partner of many years.......... It's been a bit easier since I found out it was a real thing, but a nightmare before that.
 
Ham said:
Consider for a moment, in my living memory it was common knowledge that black people were less intelligent than white (I'm being generous in saying that it no longer exists). After all, look how few senior professionals are black. Women are not as good artists as men, look at how few make it to the top ranks. In all cases the speaker fails to realise that they themselves, all their history and social construct goes to create the situation.
Click to expand...
There's the "Black people didn't feel pain like white people" one too. Unfortunately this is still about out there as a myth, and black people can be prescribed lower doses of painkillers because of it.

The one you mentioned, and the pain one, come from slavery times. It is easier to treat people badly, enslave them beat them, if they are seen as thick, or don't feel pain much.

I've no idea why women only groups of photographers cause so much angst.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top