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I came across this youtube channel today, which turns out to be the Youtube channel for the SheClicks website which states its purpose as:

"I started SheClicks for a number of reasons. For instance, I’d love to see more women at photographic events and for us to have a greater say in camera and accessory development. I’d also like to see a more even gender split in the ranks of camera manufacturer ambassadors and for women’s photography to get the appreciation, respect and credit it deserves."



Some of the videos certainly sound interesting, and there seems to be several zoom based interviews with female photographers.
 
Why would women need a different channel for making their opinions heard?

The Equality Act 2010 must not have reached the ears of the woman who started that: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/part/7 Whether it applies or not, I always thought that the idea was to make as all equal - not some more equal than others. :thinking:
 
I can't help but agree with Andrew. There are quite a few many brilliant female photographers around and quite a few very highly respected. I can't see any reason for women being less successful than male photographers, opportunities are equal so far as I can see. If there are less female brand ambassadors it's probably just because there are less female photographers, not for any nefarious reason. It's the image that matters, not the gender-identity of the photographer.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Why would women need a different channel for making their opinions heard?
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lindsay said:
I can't help but agree with Andrew.
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In principle I agree with both sets of comments, but in practice, I think it's a much more complex discussion.

Originally, I hadn't thought much beyond it looking like an interesting set of videos. However, as I am aware that some women feel more comfortable in a female, rather than a male controlled environment, I thought it useful to give the rationale behind the site, which might be an additional point of interest for some.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Why would women need a different channel for making their opinions heard?

The Equality Act 2010 must not have reached the ears of the woman who started that: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/part/7 Whether it applies or not, I always thought that the idea was to make as all equal - not some more equal than others. :thinking:
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100% - Whats the point in banging on about equality then starting your own group that excludes others due to gender.

I once saw a womans business networking group promoting a meeting about sexism and equality - quite ironic as 50% of the population was excluded from attending!
 
myotis said:
. However, as I am aware that some women feel more comfortable in a female, rather than a male controlled environment,
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I think women when in a minority may attract unwanted attention in a mostly male environment — some which would be inevitable by standing out as a minority. However, they don’t actually have to announce their gender online — except that there is a noticeable minority (?) that uses themselves as part of the photo.
 
sphexx said:
I think women when in a minority may attract unwanted attention in a mostly male environment — some which would be inevitable by standing out as a minority. However, they don’t actually have to announce their gender online — except that there is a noticeable minority (?) that uses themselves as part of the photo.
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I don't really want to say any more than I have already said. It's too complex a subject for me to try and do justice to, especially as it's the talk photography forum and not hot topics :-)
 
I'm going to state my grumpy-old-man stance that I don't see why we need to promote people based on their gender (or religion, race, or what-they-do-in-their-bedrooms). Promote them based on their work.

I also would imagine that some genres (newborn, children, boudoir) might perhaps do better if the photographer is female.

[rest of draft post/rant deleted as Graham is right - this will end up in hot topics!] :)
 
lindsay said:
And on that point Graham, I have to also agree - male-dominated environments can be uncomfortable but not only for women!
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What proportion of TP members are women, I wonder?

I think perhaps some of the other comments in this thread illustrate why some women choose to create and join groups like that.
 
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Photography as a discipline has a significantly technical side that may suit an average male brain more than a female one. Nothing to do with intelligence or creativity, rather natural aptitude. It is not a surprise that there would be more male photographers therefore than female ones.

Regarding dominance, if either sex dominate an area in the narrower sense then that is often negative. However being 'inclusive' in the modern sense (i.e. actively promoting to minorities) is fundamentally undesirable too.

I would suggest that having groups to promote people based on a particular characteristic is always going to promote inequality and differences. It may, however, be helpful to develop passages of entry for those who may feel inadequate or disadvantaged by their nature, but they need to come into the wider sphere.
 
12 posts all by men........

ancient_mariner said:
Photography as a discipline has a significantly technical side that may suit an average male brain more than a female one. Nothing to do with intelligence or creativity, rather natural aptitude. It is not a surprise that there would be more male photographers therefore than female ones
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I'm not wanting to provoke a fight but this is rubbish. As a female photographer, female aeronautical engineer, female pilot and several other things generally male dominated............ there is nothing a woman can't do as well as any man (well, apart from the obvious ;)) and vice versa. It saddens me that in the 21st century we still have gender conditioning. This is why some women feel the need to form all female groups - because it's easier than expecting men to take us seriously. I wouldn't but that's just me. It's not just gender conditioning of course but we won't go there at the moment.
People are just people, but human (and animal nature) looks for differences so it's hard to see an ideal world where people will just be people. I'm face-blind - everyone looks the same to me...............
Oh yes......... I can read a map as well........... :LOL:
 
A bit late now, but can I point out that one of the interesting aspects of the videos (I haven't watched them yet) was the dozen or so on "Creative confidence" including titles like "Imposter syndrome" and "handling rejection and building resilience".

As I say, I haven't watched them, so no idea how good they are, but I did think they at least sounded like useful topics, regardless of sex.

And others that caught my eye were "Projects: idea to book" and one on "Personal projects: from idea to execution"
 
Jannyfox said:
12 posts all by men........



I'm not wanting to provoke a fight but this is rubbish. As a female photographer, female aeronautical engineer, female pilot and several other things generally male dominated............ there is nothing a woman can't do as well as any man (well, apart from the obvious ;)) and vice versa. It saddens me that in the 21st century we still have gender conditioning. This is why some women feel the need to form all female groups - because it's easier than expecting men to take us seriously. I wouldn't but that's just me. It's not just gender conditioning of course but we won't go there at the moment.
People are just people, but human (and animal nature) looks for differences so it's hard to see an ideal world where people will just be people. I'm face-blind - everyone looks the same to me...............
Oh yes......... I can read a map as well........... :LOL:
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I work with a lot of women in science - I don't see male scientists or female scientists - they're just scientists. And some of them are good at the tech stuff, but in general they seem to struggle a bit more. You're plainly extremely capable - better than a majority of men in those areas - but do you think you're typical?

Gender conditioning is an odd thing. As a business we have all sorts of programs, committees, groups etc to promote women in science, yet women feel diffident and disadvantaged in their roles. Despite smart-alec comments, it's not that we suppress women subconciously OR intentionally, although the business does appear to have a subtle positive discimination process going on in recruitment, and many of the business leaders at very senior levels are female. We are as far as possible training women to be leaders in the areas within which we work, but few actually want that.

A problem with this conversation is that some want to make woman=man, and while both are absolutely of equal value, they are not identical in characteristics and temperament.

If you want citations, go look them up for yourself.

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Just borrowed from the jokes thread:

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It may say something about social conditioning, but it also speaks about the fact that there are differences between men and women.
 
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myotis said:
A bit late now, but can I point out that one of the interesting aspects of the videos (I haven't watched them yet) was the dozen or so on "Creative confidence" including titles like "Imposter syndrome" and "handling rejection and building resilience".
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And why are those female specific?
 
ancient_mariner said:
And why are those female specific?
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They’re not!

But you only need to read this thread to realise that confidence over knowledge is a very common male trait. Perhaps the opposite is true for females.

Although at least one of the posters is consistently less accurate than a stopped clock.

You can guarantee that if he thinks the equality act means one thing - it’ll definitely mean the opposite.
 
sphexx said:
I confess I haven’t read it but I expect it amounts to seek and ye shall find ;)
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I have read it, but remain unconvinced of it's accuracy.
myotis said:
I've no idea.

It never occurred to me that they would be female specific (whatever that means), as they sounded universally interesting. I only felt the need to write "...sounded like useful topics, regardless of sex." because of the tone of the posts in this thread.
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My apologies.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Photography as a discipline has a significantly technical side that may suit an average male brain more than a female one. Nothing to do with intelligence or creativity, rather natural aptitude. It is not a surprise that there would be more male photographers therefore than female ones.
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Oh dear - did you actually type, and then post that? Embarrassing.

Nothing wrong with a group dedicated to female togs. I dare say it would be a lot more interesting than the male equivalent.
 
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Jannyfox said:
12 posts all by men........



I'm not wanting to provoke a fight but this is rubbish. As a female photographer, female aeronautical engineer, female pilot and several other things generally male dominated............ there is nothing a woman can't do as well as any man (well, apart from the obvious ;)) and vice versa. It saddens me that in the 21st century we still have gender conditioning. This is why some women feel the need to form all female groups - because it's easier than expecting men to take us seriously. I wouldn't but that's just me. It's not just gender conditioning of course but we won't go there at the moment.
People are just people, but human (and animal nature) looks for differences so it's hard to see an ideal world where people will just be people. I'm face-blind - everyone looks the same to me...............
Oh yes......... I can read a map as well........... :LOL:
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I thought there was something wrong with me and only me until I heard of this. I have issues recognising people and rely on other clues or have to wait until they speak. It's caused me a bit of trouble and teasing and more over the years. Hope it hasn't affected you too much.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Photography as a discipline has a significantly technical side that may suit an average male brain more than a female one.
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This was barely true fifty years ago, when many women photographers were at least as proficient as their male colleagues and it definitely isn't true now.
Jannyfox said:
so it's hard to see an ideal world where people will just be people.
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...and I'd be surprised if we're much further along in the next century.

250,000 years of evolution has put us where we are and we'll have to work hard to change that. The Equality Act is a small step forward but we all need to take that step.
 
ancient_mariner said:
I work with a lot of women in science - I don't see male scientists or female scientists - they're just scientists. And some of them are good at the tech stuff, but in general they seem to struggle a bit more. You're plainly extremely capable - better than a majority of men in those areas - but do you think you're typical?

Gender conditioning is an odd thing. As a business we have all sorts of programs, committees, groups etc to promote women in science, yet women feel diffident and disadvantaged in their roles. Despite smart-alec comments, it's not that we suppress women subconciously OR intentionally, although the business does appear to have a subtle positive discimination process going on in recruitment, and many of the business leaders at very senior levels are female. We are as far as possible training women to be leaders in the areas within which we work, but few actually want that.

A problem with this conversation is that some want to make woman=man, and while both are absolutely of equal value, they are not identical in characteristics and temperament.

If you want citations, go look them up for yourself.

:mooning:


Just borrowed from the jokes thread:

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It may say something about social conditioning, but it also speaks about the fact that there are differences between men and women.
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Did you really say that. Its amazing how us men have clean clothes and hot dinners given the complexity of of modern appliances

Is it any wonder that women dont take up hobbies and by extension careers in areas dominated by men with such thinking
 
So tell me then, since I am plainly in a tiny minority compared to everyone else here, and far too insignificant to put the hoards of would-be women photographers off - why is it that there are equal numbers?
 
ancient_mariner said:
So tell me then, since I am plainly in a tiny minority compared to everyone else here, and far too insignificant to put the hoards of would-be women photographers off - why is it that there are equal numbers?
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See post #9. I could tell you but won’t as I’m respecting the OP @myotis ’s wishes as it’s not in Hot Topics!

Not sure they have “hoards” though, what do you suspect them of hoarding ;).
 
myotis said:
I came across this youtube channel today, which turns out to be the Youtube channel for the SheClicks website which states its purpose as:

"I started SheClicks for a number of reasons. For instance, I’d love to see more women at photographic events and for us to have a greater say in camera and accessory development. I’d also like to see a more even gender split in the ranks of camera manufacturer ambassadors and for women’s photography to get the appreciation, respect and credit it deserves."



Some of the videos certainly sound interesting, and there seems to be several zoom based interviews with female photographers.
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I decided to go right back to the first post and thank the OP for posting this link. Really interesting videos that I can take a lot from. Anything that encourages an underrepresented portion of society to engage is positive in my view. I have my own experiences of being in the minority as a stay at home dad in the early 2000's and it is intimidating and isolating and makes you feel you should just stay away; I imagine that is how many women feel in the world of photography.

I am astonished at some of the myopic and antiquated views of some of the male contributors but I'll leave it at that.
 
woof woof said:
I thought there was something wrong with me and only me until I heard of this. I have issues recognising people and rely on other clues or have to wait until they speak. It's caused me a bit of trouble and teasing and more over the years. Hope it hasn't affected you too much.
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Hopefully without derailing this thread........ Prosopagnosia is its proper name. No, I can never remember it either. As with most things, it affects people differently. I suspect much to do with when/if they realise they really are different, social interactions, levels of support or understanding, coping mechanisms etc.

Back on track, I've looked at the YouTube stuff and of course there's nothing there that isn't applicable to everyone be they male, female, black, white or anything in between. Maybe the female presenters give a different perspective, but I'm not really qualified to judge. There's a few there I'll probably watch. My photography has stagnated a bit and could do with a bit of inspiration aka a boot up the rear.
 
Jannyfox said:
Hopefully without derailing this thread........ Prosopagnosia is its proper name. No, I can never remember it either. As with most things, it affects people differently. I suspect much to do with when/if they realise they really are different, social interactions, levels of support or understanding, coping mechanisms etc.
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It's probably more common than people think, maybe 2% of the population, so Google says.
 
Jannyfox said:
Prosopagnosia is its proper name
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Luckily you are not dyslexic as well!

(As well as Prosopagnosic, to be clear, not your other ‘disability’ hinted at in some comments :LOL: )
 
myotis said:
I came across this youtube channel today, which turns out to be the Youtube channel for the SheClicks website which states its purpose as:
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Thanks for this, Graham. I used to follow the Shutter Sisters blog until I ran out of hours in the day. Standing out on a limb, I'm going to say that for me there is a qualitative difference between the photography of a great many female photographers and that of a great many male photographers, and it's a difference that I very much like and appreciate. The photos in the SheClicks gallery and the Shutter Sisters blog highlight that difference very nicely.
 
garryknight said:
Thanks for this, Graham. I used to follow the Shutter Sisters blog until I ran out of hours in the day. Standing out on a limb, I'm going to say that for me there is a qualitative difference between the photography of a great many female photographers and that of a great many male photographers, and it's a difference that I very much like and appreciate. The photos in the SheClicks gallery and the Shutter Sisters blog highlight that difference very nicely.
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I wasn't aware of the Shutter Sisters blog, but nor was I aware of the SheClicks site until the other day. It looks as if the former might be inactive.

As a generalisation, I think I might agree with your qualitative difference comment, but not sure that I've paid enough attention to have a credible opinion.
 
If it get's more women making photos, then it's a good thing right? The creation of female only groups, etc.. has no impact on whether or not I head out the door with my camera or limit my opportunities.

and, I think I suffer with prosopagnosia as well - t's weird when you don't recognise someone you should
 
I recognise people but often have problems putting a name to the face! It was most embarrassing when I had to ask the nurses on the ward their names at least every day, sometimes several times each day. I'm getting better but it still takes a few months to get a name fixed.

As for female photography groups, all the best to them, nothing should be gender specific (other than what nature requires, obviously!)
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Why would women need a different channel for making their opinions heard?

The Equality Act 2010 must not have reached the ears of the woman who started that: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/part/7 Whether it applies or not, I always thought that the idea was to make as all equal - not some more equal than others. :thinking:
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To be honest comments like this just prove that we still have a long way to go when it comes to real equality.
 
Nod said:
I recognise people but often have problems putting a name to the face! It was most embarrassing when I had to ask the nurses on the ward their names at least every day, sometimes several times each day. I'm getting better but it still takes a few months to get a name fixed.
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Me too, and I have been in the position where people were likely to ask me who so-and-so is. I”ve fount my phone contacts list invaluable as I usually remember something about the person whose face I recognise — their dog’s name/breed, wife/children’s name, address and so on and a quich search will bring them up — even better if there is a photo — so I tend to note these extra details in the “notes‘ section.

One of the ”tricks’ (which I have never done though is to always ask someone’s name and the use it when speaking to them to fix it -- I think Americans are good at this and some particular social groups in this country.
 
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