Facial Recognition Cameras

JohnC6

JohnC6

Suspended / Banned
Messages
11,799
Name
John
Edit My Images
Yes
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/london-met-police-facial-recognition

The Met claim 70% correct ID rate..an expert who worked with them say 19%. I dI’d hear that signage will be put up where they are operating which seems to me to be counterproductive. The above article doesn’t claim that and states that no detail has been forthcoming.Will they be moved from area to area,for instance. As you’d expect Cicil Liberty groups are up in arms. On the face of it..no pun intended..lol..lit seems like a good move to me. The only caveat is my ‘worry’ that they could be linked to other agencies .

Food for thought here..https://www.wired.co.uk/article/met-police-london-facial-recognition-test

South Wales police already use them..https://www.theguardian.com/technol...e-begin-using-live-facial-recognition-cameras

If used responsibly I think they are a powerful tool for the police, especially in conjunction with ANPR re cars, and would sort out the wheat from the chaff in a crowd. At present there must be, hundreds in the Met and thousands nationwide, of ner -do—wells out there that are wanted by the police and courts (eg failing to answer bail thus wanted on warrant) due to the lack of police manpower and so remain free to carry on in their errant ways.

To be balanced,some critique. https://www.theguardian.com/technol...cy-campaigners-uk-facial-recognition-epidemic


https://www.libertyhumanrights.org....facial-recognition-ban-following-court-ruling
 
JohnC6 said:
The Met claim 70% correct ID rate..an expert who worked with them say 19%.
Click to expand...

This can only mean lots of innocent people getting into very bad trouble.

The "solution" at least for the short while may be this https://cvdazzle.com/
Hands up if you are willing to try it out in the street :)

However, the reality is for as long as you have your phone with you they already know where you are and what you are doing at any moment.

And then look at this. https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/chinas-latest-recognition-technology-can-id-people-by-how-they-walk/

We are basically f***ed unless we can force through some drastic anti-surveillance laws very quickly.
 
I suspect that this multi-million (billion?) pound state-of-the-art system can be foiled by a £1 anti-pollution face mask? Probably why China has to focus on how people walk!
 
LongLensPhotography said:
However, the reality is for as long as you have your phone with you they already know where you are and what you are doing at any moment.
Click to expand...

You don't have to carry, or even own, a cellphone though. I use mine instead of a landline and have no reason to carry it around with me.


We are basically f***ed unless we can force through some drastic anti-surveillance laws very quickly.
Click to expand...

I agree, but I can't see government acceding to this. They appear to have a huge appetite for snooping on the same people they claim to represent in a democratic state. I'm pretty sure it would continue covertly, even if they were somehow forced to scale it down publicly.
 
Last edited:
I don't really see why civil liberties are an issue.

Most people (unless they're scum bags) wouldn't mind a policeman on the beat but obviously we can't afford that so cameras can fill the gaps especially as they don't have automatic machine gun system that trigger as soon as they spot someone they don't like.

IMO civil right complainers should shut up and sit down.

I really can't see anything wrong with a system that helps spot offenders.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
This can only mean lots of innocent people getting into very bad trouble.

The "solution" at least for the short while may be this https://cvdazzle.com/
Hands up if you are willing to try it out in the street :)

However, the reality is for as long as you have your phone with you they already know where you are and what you are doing at any moment.

And then look at this. https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/chinas-latest-recognition-technology-can-id-people-by-how-they-walk/

We are basically f***ed unless we can force through some drastic anti-surveillance laws very quickly.
Click to expand...

Oh dear.

As long as there's human checks in the system I can't see a problem. It's not as if anyone is going to be picked up and taken straight to goal without trial because a camera has wrongly recognised them.

Basically we're f****d if we listen to snowflakes and civil rights extremists who keep hyperventilating and screaming that the sky is falling at every issue.
 
woof woof said:
I don't really see why civil liberties are an issue.

Most people (unless they're scum bags) wouldn't mind a policeman on the beat but obviously we can't afford that so cameras can fill the gaps especially as they don't have automatic machine gun system that trigger as soon as they spot someone they don't like.

IMO civil right complainers should shut up and sit down.

I really can't see anything wrong with a system that helps spot offenders.
Click to expand...
woof woof said:
Oh dear.

As long as there's human checks in the system I can't see a problem. It's not as if anyone is going to be picked up and taken straight to goal without trial because a camera has wrongly recognised them.

Basically we're f****d if we listen to snowflakes and civil rights extremists who keep hyperventilating and screaming that the sky is falling at every issue.
Click to expand...

In a, in general, benign society such as we have in the UK and Europe......yes it could be argued that being surveilled and having our biometric data recorded is not a matter of concern.

But and it is a big but, what about the future where a less benign to even a more extreme government is on power? In that circumstance the use of such data could be used for more malign purposes and that I surmise to most/all libertarians would not be welcome!
 
woof woof said:
I don't really see why civil liberties are an issue.

Most people (unless they're scum bags) wouldn't mind a policeman on the beat but obviously we can't afford that so cameras can fill the gaps especially as they don't have automatic machine gun system that trigger as soon as they spot someone they don't like.

IMO civil right complainers should shut up and sit down.

I really can't see anything wrong with a system that helps spot offenders.
Click to expand...

You seem to be happy for facial recognition to be used to spot criminals, what if they start using it for other things, things you don’t agree with? Too late then. The system is in place and there will be years of images and video stored and constantly mined.

Who has access to this data? Private companies or government agencies? Which companies or agencies? You have no idea what else they use it for.

Prior to World War 2, the local government in Amsterdam kept records on it’s citizens, these records were very useful for civic planning and resource allocation.

The records included the person’s religion

When the Germans invaded they found records on 70,000 Jews.

Also, “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”
 
nilagin said:
Like what?
Click to expand...

Using it to monitor religious affiliations
Using it to monitor road use
Making the stored information available to private companies and/or foreign governments
Using your face to target you for adverts or services (minority report).

You don’t know what the agencies who have access to the recordings do with them, you don’t know which agencies or private companies have access to the recording, how long are they stored for? Even if the police say they only keep them for 30 days, that doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t store them permanently.

How secure are these recordings? The US managed to lose massive amounts of highly classified data that showed us that the NSA was behaving illegally, amongst other things.

You might have a particular sexual desire you don’t want everyone to know about, you might have just been diagnosed with something you’d rather keep to your self, you might be looking for a solicitor to help you get away from an abusive relationship.

Facial recognition, combined with other forms of surveillance will make keeping all of this to yourself very difficult.

You should be allowed to walk down a street, walk through a park, drive where ever you need to, without constantly being monitored and watched “just in case”.

I don’t know what you don’t agree with to be fair. I guarantee that there’s at least one thing you’ll be angry about when they start doing it
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Whatever the writer's current paranoia dictates. :runaway:
Click to expand...

:giggle: I have no fears of facial recognition cameras. I continually change my disguises and employ someone to take my phone on long circuitous journeys.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you. :eek:
 
facial recognition is in the early stages of development. It is already useful to government agencies including crime prevention, anti terrorism and border controls.

Provided it is strictly regulated and only used for and by parties approved by parliament and the law courts I have no trouble with its use.
Nor would I have trouble if everyone had to be fitted with a chip, as dogs are. It could contain useful emergency information as to health and identity and next of kin.
It could be a condition of entry into the UK.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
facial recognition is in the early stages of development. It is already useful to government agencies including crime prevention, anti terrorism and border controls.

Provided it is strictly regulated and only used for and by parties approved by parliament and the law courts I have no trouble with its use.
Nor would I have trouble if everyone had to be fitted with a chip, as dogs are. It could contain useful emergency information as to health and identity and next of kin.
It could be a condition of entry into the UK.
Click to expand...

Dear god!!

You live in a rose tinted utopia, where no one misuses data at all!

Remind me not to vote for you!
 
Andrew Benbow said:
Using it to monitor religious affiliations
Using it to monitor road use
Making the stored information available to private companies and/or foreign governments
Using your face to target you for adverts or services (minority report).

You don’t know what the agencies who have access to the recordings do with them, you don’t know which agencies or private companies have access to the recording, how long are they stored for? Even if the police say they only keep them for 30 days, that doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t store them permanently.

How secure are these recordings? The US managed to lose massive amounts of highly classified data that showed us that the NSA was behaving illegally, amongst other things.

You might have a particular sexual desire you don’t want everyone to know about, you might have just been diagnosed with something you’d rather keep to your self, you might be looking for a solicitor to help you get away from an abusive relationship.

Facial recognition, combined with other forms of surveillance will make keeping all of this to yourself very difficult.

You should be allowed to walk down a street, walk through a park, drive where ever you need to, without constantly being monitored and watched “just in case”.

I don’t know what you don’t agree with to be fair. I guarantee that there’s at least one thing you’ll be angry about when they start doing it
Click to expand...
Certainly nothing you have mentioned. In fact nothing at all.
 
Andrew Benbow said:
Dear god!!

You live in a rose tinted utopia, where no one misuses data at all!

Remind me not to vote for you!
Click to expand...

Governments could of course misuse personal digital information, but in general any private information is lost in an ocean of everyone else's data. and they have no time nor interest in plumbing the depths to reach it. such data should be regulated by law.

I am far more concerned about the way commercial enterprises misuse our online presence to their sole advantage. they should be banned from collecting or holding any general data that can be connected to anyone. Data necessary for billing and invoicing and completing orders should be held in a separate secure database, with no links to marketing, advertising or other commercial usage.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
I am far more concerned about the way commercial enterprises misuse our online presence to their sole advantage.
Click to expand...
When I read that the word "micropayments" popped into my mind. This was "the big idea" in the 1990s. The theory was that you could make transfers of a penny or so because it all costs next to nothing across the internet. The banks seem to have squashed the idea but perhaps it could be resurrected as an automatic charge to every website that sells your data. Whatever they get from passing on your data they should give you half.

I won't hold my breath until it's implemented though! :naughty:
 
LongLensPhotography said:
This can only mean lots of innocent people getting into very bad trouble.

The "solution" at least for the short while may be this https://cvdazzle.com/
Hands up if you are willing to try it out in the street :)

However, the reality is for as long as you have your phone with you they already know where you are and what you are doing at any moment.

And then look at this. https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/chinas-latest-recognition-technology-can-id-people-by-how-they-walk/

We are basically f***ed unless we can force through some drastic anti-surveillance laws very quickly.
Click to expand...
I've got a new sofa arriving on Tuesday.
Would you like my old one to hide behind?
 
Andrew Benbow said:
You seem to be happy for facial recognition to be used to spot criminals, what if they start using it for other things, things you don’t agree with? Too late then. The system is in place and there will be years of images and video stored and constantly mined.

Who has access to this data? Private companies or government agencies? Which companies or agencies? You have no idea what else they use it for.

Prior to World War 2, the local government in Amsterdam kept records on it’s citizens, these records were very useful for civic planning and resource allocation.

The records included the person’s religion

When the Germans invaded they found records on 70,000 Jews.

Also, “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”
Click to expand...

This. I'm so glad at least some people now get it. I don't want to wait until it is too late for whatever reason, and you bet it will be used against everyone not fully loyal and useful in some form or shape. Perhaps it might be only higher prices for you, or maybe far worse like this example.

Terrywoodenpic said:
Nor would I have trouble if everyone had to be fitted with a chip
Click to expand...

That's just brilliant. Let's turn everyone into cattle. Except there is probably not even any need for this with everything else in place.

How about we all loudly shame such propositions in public everywhere we can. The more people become aware, and understand the issue the more hope there is.
 
Oh b*****ks! I nipped into Tesco this morning and I never stocked up on baking foil. :(
 
If you buy ready meals for the oven you get a better quality of foil tray. I recommend using three layers for maximum safety. :sulk:
 
With a layer of asbestos between each layer.
 
I've just caught up on the threads and I thought re some..yes, I agree with that, then someone pointed out the pitfalls..eg..what happens if we get a malign government..but we don't think we ever would, so good points on all sides.

Someone mentioned it works in China but they've taken it to a new level. They use the cameras to in coinjunction with their judiciaal system so that if a citizen commit certain offences ..they can just be what we call anti-social offences..then they will be banned from eg cinemas,football matches and the cameras will pick them up if theu atytempt to go to these venues.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...mera-facial-recognition-privacy-a9131871.html


You can rely of the San Franciscans..Lol https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/facial-recognition-ban-san-francisco.html
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top