Facebook (stealing our work?)

xil3 said:
Sorry for the heated discussion here - most people have been taking this the wrong way though.

I apologize for starting it off as a rant, but my main intent was just to educate people.
Click to expand...

Don't worry John, I knew it wasn't a serious rant. Canadians are very peaceful people. :D
 
xil3 said:
Sorry for the heated discussion here - most people have been taking this the wrong way though.

I apologize for starting it off as a rant, but my main intent was just to educate people.
Click to expand...


Dont worry its fine to rant (in my world anyway) but as always with forums you cant say boo these days without someone jumping down your neck to have a go and as for those inevitable DAFT commenyts like "if you dont agree with the terms and conditions...bla bla" :bang:

if you dont like what the op writes then dont read it or dont comment hows about that :D
 
Wirral Tog said:
Dont worry its fine to rant (in my world anyway) but as always with forums you cant say boo these days without someone jumping down your neck to have a go and as for those inevitable DAFT commenyts like "if you dont agree with the terms and conditions...bla bla" :bang:

if you dont like what the op writes then dont read it or dont comment hows about that :D
Click to expand...

Yeah, I didn't know that so many people were against rants here :eek:

And they shouldn't be taken so seriously...
 
kissfoto said:
So we have no right to comment now if we disagree with a statement ??? Thats BS..:cuckoo:
Click to expand...

Which statement did you disagree with? I was wrong about Flickr, but I stand by my statement in regards to Facebook...
 
Calm down, calm down.....

It's only a forum and the poor lad just fancies a bit of a rant. Cool by me.

Someone said earlier that 99% of images on Facebook are of drunken people at parties. Well actually I think it's more like 99.3%. And that's what its all about.

Its a place for people to upload pics from the party the night before so that their mates can see them. And as far as that goes its fantastic and has hit the mark. This is obvious by the millions of users it has.

So, as has already been said, don't put valuable images on it. If you put images on Facebook I suppose it's a little like leaving valuables on the back seat of the car. Stupid. Bbut if they are pics of the office party, a different story.
 
xil3 said:
Which statement did you disagree with? I was wrong about Flickr, but I stand by my statement in regards to Facebook...
Click to expand...

Your threat title is still wrong nobody is stealing anything :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:
 
xil3 said:
Which statement did you disagree with? I was wrong about Flickr, but I stand by my statement in regards to Facebook...
Click to expand...

Disagreed with the statement, ''don't read or comment if you disagree'', I agree wholeheartedly with you right to 'rant' if you wish, no problem... Facebook who knows what they would do with a low quality image anyways... :thumbs:
 
matty said:
the T&C are very similar to those used by the BBC for their submissions and competitions. If you dont like em, dont use em. Simple really
Click to expand...

I guess I'll repeat myself again - this has nothing to do with me using Facebook. I was simply making people aware of that specific TOS snipplet.
 
fabs said:
So nobody's allowed to ask a question if the answer is obvious to YOU? :shrug:
Click to expand...

The answer is obvious because nobody is stealing anything, how a can a photo be stolen if you have given your permission for it to be used. Thats like giving the misses the car keys then dialing 999 to report a theft. The OP's very first post even says that, it's just attention seeking scare mongering nonsense.
 
It astounds me how many people just decided to regurgitate the same response over and over without actually absorbing what I previously said.

"If you don't like it, don't use it" <-- really gets old
 
chilliz said:
I can`t understand people using sites like Flickr if they already have websites (therefore webspace) of their own.
Click to expand...

Because the bandwidth and storage on Flickr is free - or £20 odd per year if you go 'Pro'

chilliz said:
Isn`t it basically putting your stunning images up for people to `steal`.
Click to expand...

Yes but on the other hand putting your images ANYWHERE on the internet invites abuse. If you don't want it copied, used, sold as someone else's work, then don't put it on the internet ;)

B.
 
xil3 said:
It astounds me how many people just decided to regurgitate the same response over and over without actually absorbing what I previously said.

"If you don't like it, don't use it" <-- really gets old
Click to expand...

So does:

OMG they're robbing me OMG they are taking my pictures OMG!!!1111!!!

Actually they are just doing what I agreed to but I'm going to go off on one anyway, then when caught out in a pointless rant I'll hide behind the education banner
 
BenMottram said:
Because the bandwidth and storage on Flickr is free - or £20 odd per year if you go 'Pro'



Yes but on the other hand putting your images ANYWHERE on the internet invites abuse. If you don't want it copied, used, sold as someone else's work, then don't put it on the internet ;)

B.
Click to expand...

Well said Ben..:thumbs:
 
a1ex2001 said:
The answer is obvious because nobody is stealing anything, how a can a photo be stolen if you have given your permission for it to be used. Thats like giving the misses the car keys then dialing 999 to report a theft. The OP's very first post even says that, it's just attention seeking scare mongering nonsense.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry to say a1ex2001, but I didn't start this topic to appease you. And the whole purpose of "stealing our work?" was as a conversation starter. I'm by no means trying to state facts or opinions in the subject.
 
a1ex2001 said:
So does:

OMG thy're robbing me OMG they are taking my pictures OMG!!!1111!!!

Actually they are just doing what I agreed to but I'm going to go off on one anyway, then when caught out in a pointless rant I'll hide behind the education banner
Click to expand...

I'm sorry to ruin your day with my pointless rant a1ex2001 :)
 
xil3 said:
I still think the system is corrupt! Corporations are the DEVIL! :suspect:
Click to expand...

How true, how true.

Of course you really need to rid your life of the corrupting influence of these evil entities.

Since I am a public spirited chap I will take off your hands the fruit of that veiny organ of Satan's body known as the Nikon Corporation. I am sure that you will be able to remove all products of the Microsoft Corporation from your home yourself and if applicable those of the Apple Corporation as well.

I am as I say a public spirited chap but there are limits to even my generosity and you will have to find someone with lower standards than mine to assist you by accepting any products of the Canon Corporation which you may own ;)
 
Nicos Rex said:
How true, how true.

Of course you really need to rid your life of the corrupting influence of these evil entities.

Since I am a public spirited chap I will take off your hands the fruit of that veiny organ of Satan's body known as the Nikon Corporation. I am sure that you will be able to remove all products of the Microsoft Corporation from your home yourself and if applicable those of the Apple Corporation as well.

I am as I say a public spirited chap but there are limits to even my generosity and you will have to find someone with lower standards than mine to assist you by accepting any products of the Canon Corporation which you may own ;)
Click to expand...

You're far too kind, Nicos! :bang:
 
I think it's a valid point. And I see no wrong in what he's saying. I didn't read the ToS, and if you really go through and read every single set of terms for every single site you use then perhaps you have a little too much time on your hands. Legally it's not theft, they're not stealing anything, but it's certain;ly what I see as unethical. And before anyone states the obvious, yes I'm well aware that big business is unethical, but maybe if companies were forced to trade ethically then there'd be no need for this 'in my opinion' sleazy tactic. I don't get why certain people have jumped down xil3's throat. He made a mistake about Flickr, but has remedied said mistake. So what's the issue? Trying to let people know how nasty ToS of a site is doesn't deserve the barrage of abuse he got.
 
Its not just a case of 'if you dont like it don't use it' though.

ALOT of people use Facebook, and ALOT of people will be unaware of these very restrictive and 'grabbing' terms.
I know many of my Facebook friends upload their photographic work to FB. No doub't theyre unaware that theyre giving FB rights to their work.

Just like we do with competitions, we need to stick together to highlight these rights-grabbing terms and conditions, not be at each other, with accusations of sensationalism.
 
Doesn't the flickr site say something about Flickr and its associated companies are allowed to use the images?


One of the reasons I use Pbase - it's a dedicated photographers site with all rights to the owner only (and I only post small pics).:D
 
Byker28i said:
Doesn't the flickr site say something about Flickr and its associated companies are allowed to use the images?


One of the reasons I use Pbase - it's a dedicated photographers site with all rights to the owner only (and I only post small pics).:D
Click to expand...

Never heard of Pbase, but I'll have to check that out. I normally use Photobucket...
 
a1ex2001 said:
The answer is obvious because nobody is stealing anything, how a can a photo be stolen if you have given your permission for it to be used. Thats like giving the misses the car keys then dialing 999 to report a theft. The OP's very first post even says that, it's just attention seeking scare mongering nonsense.
Click to expand...

That's why he started the topic, to discuss it. You appear bto be the one to throw your toys out of the pram about it.
 
xil3 said:
Never heard of Pbase, but I'll have to check that out. I normally use Photobucket...
Click to expand...

There's a small cost to using it - I pay about £12 a year for over 8000 pics stored.

TOS is good also:
http://www.pbase.com/tos

Any images uploaded by a user remain the property of that user or whatever party holds the copyright.
By uploading images, a user does not surrender his/her copyright or ownership of the images.




I found the bit on Flickr

by using Flickr you are letting them have rolayty free use of your photo's. It's part of their T&C's

(b) With respect to Content you elect to post for inclusion in publicly accessible areas of Yahoo! Groups or that consists of photos or other graphics you elect to post to any other publicly accessible area of the Service, you grant Yahoo! a world-wide, royalty free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, modify, adapt and publish such Content on the Service solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting the specific Yahoo! Group to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to the Service. This licence exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and shall be terminated at the time you delete such Content from the Service.

(c) With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo! the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and licence to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed.
 
Byker28i said:
by using Flickr you are letting them have rolayty free use of your photo's. It's part of their T&C's
Click to expand...

Not the case, as you have pasted

Byker28i said:
or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to the Service.
Click to expand...

How I read that is that, you are giving them the right to show your photo on flickr, that is all.
 
a1ex2001 said:
A question with a staringly obvious answer, it's attention seeking at best and pathetic at worst.
Click to expand...

I've already said play nice.
This is the last time. If you can't debate an issue politely and calmly, without resorting to rudeness then be quiet.
 
:lock: I think xil3 got his point across (and a valid one it was too) but this seems to be turning into a trolling match!
 
I'ts not scaremongering at all. The clause has no reason to be there, in the context for which Facebook operates.
The fact of the matter, it's a very sneaky clause that is hidden in their terms and conditions, and therefore many will unwittingly upload their photos to Facebook without realising theyre giving their rights away.
I know I've uploaded a few without realising.
And if anyone suggests that I should have read the Terms and Conditions before doing so....don't......;) No one reads the full terms and conditions to every single site theyve signed up for or use.
 
Of course not, with some it would take hours, and even then clauses like that are hidden away as they're not meant to be seen! Like I said I think it was a valid post and it's opened my eyes a bit, and I'll at least be watermarking my pictures for FB in the future.
 
Not everyone is going to sit down and read a 50 page TOS with a bunch of legal rubish.

Well it cant be a bunch of rubbish can it cos its got you going. If you dont read the small print then its your own fault not facebook.
 
I shrank all mine in Breeze Browser, added the name of the person on the pic then posted them, absolutely usless to anyone who wants to nick them, look ok on the web but cannot be printed.
 
Dominic5749 said:
Not everyone is going to sit down and read a 50 page TOS with a bunch of legal rubish.

Well it cant be a bunch of rubbish can it cos its got you going. If you dont read the small print then its your own fault not facebook.
Click to expand...

Here we go again...

This has nothing to do with fault! I'm just making people aware of the sleazy and unethical ways of Facebook...
 
Thanks for the information xil3, I was totally unaware of this fact, as I'm sure is the case for 99% of users. No doubt why it's hidden deep in their T&C

Shame you attracted the trolls mind.
 
what about if they use an image after you have deleted it from facebook?
Once its been uploaded, is it facebooks to use ultimately or do they loose that right if you then remove the image?
 
Actual wording of the clause

''When you post User Content to the Site, you authorise and direct us to make such copies thereof as we deem necessary in order to facilitate the posting and storage of the User Content on the Site. By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide licence (with the right to sublicence) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorise sublicences of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the licence granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content. Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.''
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top