Faceberk Down.

[sphexx]

You think? You haven’t been keeping up with events in the Middle East since 1967 then? I suppose you think apartheid no longer exists either.

Beat me to it — I was just trying to think of a kindly reply

 

[sphexx]

.... What on earth has that got to do with this discussion about Facebook and its head Mark Zuckerberg?

You steered that way because you wrote “A Jew being a Nazi?” .

 

[Dale.]

......and onto page 9.

 

[Cobra]

......and onto page 9.

If I was spiteful, I'd go back and delete 3 posts

 

[sphexx]

......and onto page 9.

Congrats … I think you mainly owe @RedRobin & @JohnC6 if length of post is a factor .

 

[Cobra]

if length of post is a factor .

Its not

 

[RedRobin]

If I was spiteful, I'd go back and delete 3 posts

.... I would describe you as sometimes mischievous rather than spiteful, Chris.

 

[Gremlin]

Pah! amateur. less than 300 posts
You should have seen me in my hay day 500 was easily achievable

Under the new regime most of them would have been sent to Hot Topics

 

[Pound Coin]

I’ll just leave this here.

OK, it is the horrendously biased BBC*, but there are some interesting facts in it. See how long it took for a new member to be fed stuff, and how long it didnt take to remove mysoginistic members.

I get abuse and threats online - why can't it be stopped?

Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police, government and social media sites doing more to stop it?

www.bbc.co.uk

* I’ve read that many times on the internet, so it must be true.

 

[sphexx]

I’ll just leave this here.

OK, it is the horrendously biased BBC*, but there are some interesting facts in it. See how long it took for a new member to be fed stuff, and how long it didnt take to remove mysoginistic members.

I get abuse and threats online - why can't it be stopped?

Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police, government and social media sites doing more to stop it?

www.bbc.co.uk

* I’ve read that many times on the internet, so it must be true.

Good exposé of how Facebook works! I wonder what @RedRobin thinks of it?

 

[Pound Coin]

One of the problems with Facebook is the empowerment of marginals.

People that you'd have moved away from in the pub in the past, are there, being recommended to you, and whose marginal, unpalatable views are splashed round the world (or Facebook group...) without critique, nor opprobrium. The tone is set.

Reading through this thread, which is less about losing an internet service, more about bigco manipulation of the populace to make money, it is possible that those that have been brought up to not take a broad view of life struggle to, and hence see nowt wrong in Facebook. Facebook absolutely relies on this kind of attitude for it to succeed in its aim to make $$$ from social media domination.

Facebook blx:
"When is ASDA open?"
"Look on the internet. LMGTFY"
"I don't have the internet, I only have here (Facebook)"

 

[LCPete]

One of the problems with Facebook is the empowerment of marginals.

People that you'd have moved away from in the pub in the past, are there, being recommended to you, and whose marginal, unpalatable views are splashed round the world (or Facebook group...) without critique, nor opprobrium. The tone is set.

Reading through this thread, which is less about losing an internet service, more about bigco manipulation of the populace to make money, it is possible that those that have been brought up to not take a broad view of life struggle to, and hence see nowt wrong in Facebook. Facebook absolutely relies on this kind of attitude for it to succeed in its aim to make $$$ from social media domination.

Facebook blx:
"When is ASDA open?"
"Look on the internet. LMGTFY"
"I don't have the internet, I only have here (Facebook)"

Yes exactly people with offensive extreme views are allowed to post on there
In real life if you come across people like that you can just walk away on Facebook these types are allowed a platform

 

[RedRobin]

Good exposé of how Facebook works! I wonder what @RedRobin thinks of it?

.... Richard, I thought you told me (many times) that this thread "is not about you", so why do you care what I think?

But as you ask, I think that it has reached a point where actions are being taken to try to resolve the problems. Things always have to get worse before they get better - Things have to break before they get mended - All often part of human nature.

As usual, it's a minority which potentially spoils it for the rest of the people. A few trespassers in fields with crops alongside railway lines upset the farmers and so all photographers get tarred with the same brush.

Meanwhile, I am not going get stressed by yet another way in which other people behave, nor how they react when threatened or verbally abused.

Neither am I going fill my mind with bitterness about how much money someone else makes. No matter how rich you are financially or spiritually, there will always be someone who is richer, and the same applies to no matter how poor you are - Someone will be poorer.

Thanks to Facebook I was asked last week if one of my photos could be used in a fundraising campaign (not exclusively on Facebook) and this morning I was asked via Facebook if I would photograph a surfer later today. I love Facebook, but you know that already

 

[sphexx]

.... Richard, I thought you told me (many times) that this thread "is not about you", so why do you care what I think?

I suppose because you are obviously ‘one of us’ and not ‘them’ (the minority of daft ones following conspiracy theories). If you were ‘one of them’ it would be a waste of time discussing it with you.

I perfectly see why you and many others including myself, have found Facebook useful.

You say the ‘bad’ will be corrected and you may be right but it won’t be corrected by you, who can see no harm in it, by the likes of @JohnC6 and the US Congress, if it happens ;(.

 

[RedRobin]

I suppose because you are obviously ‘one of us’ and not ‘them’ (the minority of daft ones following conspiracy theories). If you were ‘one of them’ it would be a waste of time discussing it with you.

I perfectly see why you and many others including myself, have found Facebook useful.

You say the ‘bad’ will be corrected and you may be right but it won’t be corrected by you, who can see no harm in it, by the likes of @JohnC6 and the US Congress, if it happens ;(.

.... Cheers Richard

I think it will happen and it's not just across the pond in the U S of A who will try to take action. I think it's better to take action against those who abuse etc rather than blame Facebook itself for everything. It could be said that Facebook actually does some good in exposing them.

However, meanwhile I shall continue being somewhat apathetic and enjoy using Facebook for many many reasons which I find beneficial. The pros outweigh the cons.

 

[Tringa]

I’ll just leave this here.

OK, it is the horrendously biased BBC*, but there are some interesting facts in it. See how long it took for a new member to be fed stuff, and how long it didnt take to remove mysoginistic members.

I get abuse and threats online - why can't it be stopped?

Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police, government and social media sites doing more to stop it?

www.bbc.co.uk

* I’ve read that many times on the internet, so it must be true.

Can you explain how you know this horrendously biased?

It lists what the BBC did and what they say they found. Without another source that shows the article to be incorrect, I can't work out whether it is biased or not.

Dave

 

[Marc]

Can you explain how you know this horrendously biased?

It lists what the BBC did and what they say they found. Without another source that shows the article to be incorrect, I can't work out whether it is biased or not.

Dave

I think that, given the left and right think it's horrendously biased, the BBC have probably got the balance about right.

 

[sphexx]

Can you explain how you know this horrendously biased?

It lists what the BBC did and what they say they found. Without another source that shows the article to be incorrect, I can't work out whether it is biased or not.

Dave

I thought he was joking there, however the piece is horrendously biased … because it’s true!

 

[Deleted member 68495]

On the subject of the BBC Panorama program on FB and other social media platforms, I think anyone who pops their head above the parapet of trolldom is very brave. There are some complete nutters out there who can post what they want without fear of retribution and they say things to complete strangers that if said in person would result in their arrest. Facebook and the like could easily stop almost all of the trolling if they stopped people registering anonymously by requiring proof of identity. Of course this would destroy their profits so that's not going to happen without international government regulation.

I once created a fake account (it was very easy) to try an experiment. I created an account in the name of M**** G***** then sent random friend requests all over the world. I had created a fake profile but no photographs. I did it for a week and sent out about 70 friend requests, by the end of the week I had 23 new 'friends' who had accepted my request without questioning who the hell I might be. The experiment was stopped because one of the people I sent a message to thought they knew 'me' and when I wasn't what they thought they reported 'me' and my account was suspended pending proof of identity, which of course I didn't have. My point is that Facebook can indeed take action to suspend accounts quite easily but mostly they just don't.

 

[sphexx]

.... Cheers Richard

I think it will happen and it's not just across the pond in the U S of A

I think only US has any real jurisdiction though. I suppose we could make Facebook a publisher so they could be sued and probably they’d clean it up themselves … after wasting years on appeals.

who will try to take action. I think it's better to take action against those who abuse etc

The problem is their anonymity in many cases and they are based in other countries and/or are bots/state actors .

rather than blame Facebook itself for everything. It could be said that Facebook actually does some good in exposing them.

However, meanwhile I shall continue being somewhat apathetic and enjoy using Facebook for many many reasons which I find beneficial. The pros outweigh the cons.

 

[sphexx]

On the subject of the BBC Panorama program on FB and other social media platforms, I think anyone who pops their head above the parapet of trolldom is very brave. There are some complete nutters out there who can post what they want without fear of retribution and they say things to complete strangers that if said in person would result in their arrest. Facebook and the like could easily stop almost all of the trolling if they stopped people registering anonymously by requiring proof of identity. Of course this would destroy their profits so that's not going to happen without international government regulation.

I once created a fake account (it was very easy) to try an experiment. I created an account in the name of M**** G***** then sent random friend requests all over the world. I had created a fake profile but no photographs. I did it for a week and sent out about 70 friend requests, by the end of the week I had 23 new 'friends' who had accepted my request without questioning who the hell I might be. The experiment was stopped because one of the people I sent a message to thought they knew 'me' and when I wasn't what they thought they reported 'me' and my account was suspended pending proof of identity, which of course I didn't have. My point is that Facebook can indeed take action to suspend accounts quite easily but mostly they just don't.

My dog created an account (lying about his age since he was under 13, the little devil) and I know of other dogs who have accounts .. probably a lot of cats do too, judging by the number of cat pictures

 

[Deleted member 68495]

The best way to control FB's power is to stop feeding it, just come off it, it's not doing any good anyway, one just wastes time looking at pictures of people's dinners, commenting on their new baby, or watching videos of puppies when one could be on TP blasting the whole social media system instead!!

 

[sphexx]

I’m a member on nextdoor.co.uk (was U.K. based but has been bought by US ) which is neighbourhood based and you have to give your address though it’s not advertised and linked to your full name). No doubt an outsider could create a false account but if enough people are signed up he would soon be spotted.

I have used it to:

• return a mobile phone I found
• contact the owner of a parcel Amazon left in error
  found
• find the recipient of medication left in error (no address on it)
• get some investigation of a sewage leak in the town after heavy rain

It’s quite a useful source of local news/help/etc and obviously wouldn’t scale up like Facebook though no doubt it’s still attractive to advertisers.

 

[RedRobin]

The best way to control FB's power is to stop feeding it, just come off it, it's not doing any good anyway, one just wastes time looking at pictures of people's dinners, commenting on their new baby, or watching videos of puppies when one could be on TP blasting the whole social media system instead!!

.... That's certainly some people's perception of Facebook (mostly those who don't ever use it) so I invite you to look at pics and chats on my Facebook page. Currently mostly steam locomotives but also surfers, also wildlife, even music, but if you are really desperate to see a dinner I ate there are pics of lobsters further down the Timeline.

Log in to Facebook

Log in to Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family and people you know.

www.facebook.com

Btw, I had to prove my ID to Facebook when I started using it. Also, they weed out and block a lot of scammers from the FB Groups I admin before I need to.

I see far more angry ranting and bitterness etc on TP's Hot Topics than I ever do anywhere on Facebook.

 

[Deleted member 68495]

I’m a member on nextdoor.co.uk (was U.K. based but has been bought by US ) which is neighbourhood based and you have to give your address though it’s not advertised and linked to your full name). No doubt an outsider could create a false account but if enough people are signed up he would soon be spotted.

I have used it to:

• return a mobile phone I found
• contact the owner of a parcel Amazon left in error
  found
• find the recipient of medication left in error (no address on it)
• get some investigation of a sewage leak in the town after heavy rain

It’s quite a useful source of local news/help/etc and obviously wouldn’t scale up like Facebook though no doubt it’s still attractive to advertisers.

I have serious doubts about the motives of Nextdoor. A couple of years ago I was invited to join the group for my local area and the invitation came in the form of an actual written letter claiming to be from a neighbour. Now under normal circumstances I might have looked at the site and may well have joined but for one thing: This hand-written letter came from a neighbour who I hate with a vengeance and she, me. There is absolutely no way in this earth that she would invite me to join her in a group of local people as I wouldn't p*** in her mouth if her lungs were on fire. We had a coming together in a court case many years ago and have never spoken since.

So who sent that letter? Certainly no one who lived in my village as our mutual hate for each other is common knowledge. Needless to say, I have not joined the Nextdoor group a) because she may be on it and b) I am highly suspicious of the company's modus operandi.

 

[sphexx]

I have serious doubts about the motives of Nextdoor. A couple of years ago I was invited to join the group for my local area and the invitation came in the form of an actual written letter claiming to be from a neighbour. Now under normal circumstances I might have looked at the site and may well have joined but for one thing: This hand-written letter came from a neighbour who I hate with a vengeance and she, me. There is absolutely no way in this earth that she would invite me to join her in a group of local people as I wouldn't p*** in her mouth if her lungs were on fire. We had a coming together in a court case many years ago and have never spoken since.

So who sent that letter? Certainly no one who lived in my village as our mutual hate for each other is common knowledge. Needless to say, I have not joined the Nextdoor group a) because she may be on it and b) I am highly suspicious of the company's modus operandi.

I’ve never heard of that, sounds like a wind up from someone local I’m on good terms with all my neighbours .

I believe you can invite people, I’ll have a look. I don’t use the site much, only in case of need but I don’t browse it.

 

[sphexx]

I have serious doubts about the motives of Nextdoor. A couple of years ago I was invited to join the group for my local area and the invitation came in the form of an actual written letter claiming to be from a neighbour. Now under normal circumstances I might have looked at the site and may well have joined but for one thing: This hand-written letter came from a neighbour who I hate with a vengeance and she, me. There is absolutely no way in this earth that she would invite me to join her in a group of local people as I wouldn't p*** in her mouth if her lungs were on fire. We had a coming together in a court case many years ago and have never spoken since.

So who sent that letter? Certainly no one who lived in my village as our mutual hate for each other is common knowledge. Needless to say, I have not joined the Nextdoor group a) because she may be on it and b) I am highly suspicious of the company's modus operandi.

OK, Thanks for that. It seems to be a new thing, the site’s appearance has changed a bit and the “invitations” do show an image of an envelope & letter, which is the only way it could work. And if you click to find out more it instantly activates it without specifying details or who is going to with a 15 second window to cancel! Not good .

It looks like I may have to dump it.

 

[Deleted member 68495]

.... That's certainly some people's perception of Facebook (mostly those who don't ever use it) so I invite you to look at pics and chats on my Facebook page. Currently mostly steam locomotives but also surfers, also wildlife, even music, but if you are really desperate to see a dinner I ate there are pics of lobsters further down the Timeline.

Log in to Facebook

Log in to Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family and people you know.

www.facebook.com

Btw, I had to prove my ID to Facebook when I started using it. Also, they weed out and block a lot of scammers from the FB Groups I admin before I need to.

I see far more angry ranting and bitterness etc on TP's Hot Topics than I ever do anywhere on Facebook.

I'm afraid I shan't be looking at your FB page since that would identify me as a hypocrite and would cause me to have to go through my computer making sure Mark Zuckerberg hasn't put any more insidious cookies in obscure places.

If you had to prove your identity then you didn't do it right. Do you really think that all these trolls have given Facebook their names, addresses and telephone numbers?

Hot Topics is there very much for that reason and people go there to rant and to listen to rants; I think it's all good fun and when I think it isn't, I can just leave. I have done it myself. But if Facebook had a section where trolls could spout their nonsense without retribution it wouldn't be used. Trolls don't go on FB to insult each other, they go there to threaten, intimidate and generally insult normal people going about their business. Imagine if Hot Topics worked the same way: you post in HTs then everyone, everywhere can threaten you and your family with rape, harm and terrible abuse. This is where any comparison between Hot Topics and Facebook breaks down utterly.

 

[Deleted member 68495]

OK, Thanks for that. It seems to be a new thing, the site’s appearance has changed a bit and the “invitations” do show an image of an envelope & letter, which is the only way it could work. And if you click to find out more it instantly activates it without specifying details or who is going to with a 15 second window to cancel! Not good .

It looks like I may have to dump it.

I'm sorry if I may have ruined it for you.

 

[Cobra]

That's certainly some people's perception of Facebook

Facebook is many things to many people.
Mine is for staying in touch with family and friends around the globe, and posting crap and sarcasm.
( but you knew that ) Just for the ghits and siggles
It's a close page and I have met all but 2 people on there.

The local groups that I'm on, are it seems for posting about a lost pussy, and going to great lengths about the cat's allergies etc and it needs its meds.
Or why are is this helicopter flying overhead ...
I just stay for the entertainment factor but once in a blue moon there is something actually important, that relates to my local area.
So yes they maybe farming info from me, but they had my ( bare min) details when I signed up.
But I never post anything they can "use" and I hope they enjoy the jokes

 

[sphexx]

I'm sorry if I may have ruined it for you.

It’s no big deal, I can’t remember the last time I looked at it . I just thought it was an interesting format — still do but not happy that it disappeared over the pond.

 

[Pound Coin]

I thought he was joking there, however the piece is horrendously biased … because it’s true!

It was a joke. Unfortunately there is a nasty seam running through our country and our Tory government that wishes to damage, irreparably, the BBC.

 

[Pound Coin]

Needless to say, I have not joined the Nextdoor group a) because she may be on it and b) I am highly suspicious of the company's modus operandi.

Me neither.

Rest assured, companies like this do not have your neighbourhood in their minds. They have one aim only - to create a critical mass of users, for which they have useful and usable data, then go to the market, or sell. Their aim, like Facebook's, is to make a bucketload of money.

All I have heard about NextDoor is that it really struggles to not be a haven for nasty spiteful curtain twitchers.

 

[Pound Coin]

On the subject of the BBC Panorama program on FB and other social media platforms, I think anyone who pops their head above the parapet of trolldom is very brave. There are some complete nutters out there who can post what they want without fear of retribution and they say things to complete strangers that if said in person would result in their arrest. Facebook and the like could easily stop almost all of the trolling if they stopped people registering anonymously by requiring proof of identity. Of course this would destroy their profits so that's not going to happen without international government regulation.

I once created a fake account (it was very easy) to try an experiment. I created an account in the name of M**** G***** then sent random friend requests all over the world. I had created a fake profile but no photographs. I did it for a week and sent out about 70 friend requests, by the end of the week I had 23 new 'friends' who had accepted my request without questioning who the hell I might be. The experiment was stopped because one of the people I sent a message to thought they knew 'me' and when I wasn't what they thought they reported 'me' and my account was suspended pending proof of identity, which of course I didn't have. My point is that Facebook can indeed take action to suspend accounts quite easily but mostly they just don't.

It is very easy to create fake accounts. They don't get deleted. You just need a burner email address. A separate IP address probably helps, but multi-occupancy households are a thing, as are IPs allocated on short-term login networks like mobile phones.

The great thing about a forum is that you can keep a certain amount of anonymity, with the Admins/Mods probably knowing more about you, if you didn't use a burner email address.

FaceBook, of course, wants your identity, your phone number, because they want to be able to sell aggregated data. Just how valuable is it to know the best way to market to a select group, such as privileged, middle class, middle aged, public school educated, rich white males? It's the holy grail of marketing.

Big data is hugely important. It's why Trump did so well in the USA, by finding out which dogwhistles to blow, when.

 

[Mr Bump]

i like facebook and use it a lot for keeping in touch with people all over the uk and overseas i also use wotsapp its a great way to just reach out to people very ad-hoc i would pay for both services if push came to shove for a small amount

 

[RichardC27]

I think that, given the left and right think it's horrendously biased, the BBC have probably got the balance about right.

I always say this. Lefties think the BBC has horrendous right wing bias, and right-wingers think it's a uber-left, uber-woke channel that's undermining British values. Which suggests it is actually quite impartial and neutral but just doesn't say what either side want to hear.

 

[Cobra]

The great thing about a forum is that you can keep a certain amount of anonymity, with the Admins/Mods probably knowing more about you, if you didn't use a burner email address.

All we know about "you" are the details you used to join up.
*IF* we can be bothered read them.
Which may or may not be a genuine profile, we don't care TBH, as long as you obey the site rules, you could be a purple people eater
for all we know or care..
BUT rest assured, we will never use your details, give them or sell them to any other party.

 

[Pound Coin]

All we know about "you" are the details you used to join up.
*IF* we can be bothered read them.
Which may or may not be a genuine profile, we don't care TBH, as long as you obey the site rules, you could be a purple people eater
for all we know or care..
BUT rest assured, we will never use your details, give them or sell them to any other party.

Never thought you would

 

[Nod]

We had a "handwritten" invitation to Nextdoor. Strangely, the lady next door's invitation was identical (other than the name).

I have a faceache account somewhere - with fake details. The email addy it's attached to is dead - it was an fsnet one.

 

[sphexx]

Facebook is many things to many people.
Mine is for staying in touch with family and friends around the globe, and posting crap and sarcasm.
( but you knew that ) Just for the ghits and siggles
It's a close page and I have met all but 2 people on there.

The local groups that I'm on, are it seems for posting about a lost pussy, and going to great lengths about the cat's allergies etc and it needs its meds.
Or why are is this helicopter flying overhead ...
I just stay for the entertainment factor but once in a blue moon there is something actually important, that relates to my local area.
So yes they maybe farming info from me, but they had my ( bare min) details when I signed up.
But I never post anything they can "use" and I hope they enjoy the jokes

FB probably knows more about you than you think, not that it’s a problem to you personally. Even though you haven’t shared your contacts with FB it’s likely someone you’ve corresponded with (off FB) has and they will have got your email from their address book.

I haven’t given any info to FB but judging from their “people you may know” suggestions others have .

As I say it’s not a big deal on a personal level as I’m not trying to hide anything but at a population level it can be.