Everyone here using semi/pro bodies and lenses

Oh well each to his own, at least my camera doesn't ring in the middle of a shoot..... :D
Yeah, maybe, but I bet you can't send txt messages to your loved ones, check your email, play Angry Birds, or (most importantly of all) use the TP mobile app on your DSLR. For the next year or two, anyway.

I can't help thinking that the OP was tongue-in-cheek :suspect:
 
Yeah, maybe, but I bet you can't send txt messages to your loved ones, check your email, play Angry Birds, or (most importantly of all) use the TP mobile app on your DSLR. For the next year or two, anyway.

I can't help thinking that the OP was tongue-in-cheek :suspect:

Funnily enough I don't want to do any of those when I'm shooting. :)
 
mart77 said:
The laws of physics can be got around with technology. THats my point. Goolge full frame mirrorless and medium format mirrorless it will be around in the next few months to one years, its already happening. as will large full frame mirrorless. its just around the corner.

Trying not to come across as arrogant.

There are pages on the Internet that tell me man never landed on the moon. It doesn't make it true.

Technology will always improve but you have to understand the way that light travels (in straight lines) and the limitations that puts on the size of equipment required to do certain things.

A modern APSC CSC is a marvel to behold, is really pocketable with a pancake lens, but can't get over the size of the 100-400 a wildlife photographer will fit. Now it stops being pocketable. Do you really believe that a 400mm 5.6 lens can be made pocketable?

If you do you really have let your imagination go too far. Here's a clue, get out a tape measure and see what 400mm looks like. Using mirrors will shorten a lens but adds strange optical properties and steals light. The light stealing is less important nowadays due to better sensor technology.

But back to all things being equal, whilst sensor technology is making smaller cameras better, it's also making larger cameras better.

Simple Physics. You can't change the way that light works with technology, you can only make the hardware handle it more efficiently. But those efficiencies scale.

I've got nothing against mirror less cameras in principle, except I want a viewfinder as good as a good optical one. Technology will eventually give me one of those, but a FF or MF camera will still be bigger than an APSC camera with the same generation of technology. And a phone or compact size sensor will never give me the optical properties of a larger sensor. That's Physics too. They're good, they're getting better, but they can't kid the light they're larger.

If you can't get your head round that, I suggest you stop reading the rumour sites and read up on how the cameras we have now collect light and focus it. How bigger film / sensors differ from smaller ones. How focal length and subject distance create DoF and why comparative focal lengths lead you down an alley when it comes to that understanding.

All physics. Im not a Luddite. I've been playing with high tech stuff all my life, and all devices are built around the limits imposed by laws of physics.
 
You dont sound arrogant at all you sound very reasonable, time will tell. no point argueing it now its not something im very passionate about i will just wait to see what happens.:)
 
Mr Dan, for spending his 1k could have got a lot more suitable equipment for his olympic shooting perposes than an AyePhone with soem bin's glued on. He could have got a 600D and a 70-200 L lens and produced much, much better results.

What he does is self-defeating anyway, since as soon as he jury-rigs the phone it's no longer a consumer camera phone. The only practical purpose of this is, as mention before, because his skill/experiance allows him too. Even modifying the phone takes skill and a reasonable level of knowlege in optics.

Also, as a final word....they said computers will replace paper about 15 years ago.
 
You dont sound arrogant at all you sound very reasonable, time will tell. no point argueing it now its not something im very passionate about i will just wait to see what happens.:)

sounds like you still believe that the laws of physics wil be changing, the eternal optimist :)
 
Also, as a final word....they said computers will replace paper about 15 years ago.

yeah but wiping your arse on a laptop was never going to catch on :lol:
 
You dont sound arrogant at all you sound very reasonable, time will tell. no point argueing it now its not something im very passionate about i will just wait to see what happens.:)

Please don't wait to see what happens. Please go read some stuff and understand. It's not about being passionate or caring too much, it's about gaining knowledge so that you don't end up like the idiots on the internet claiming that Canon are about to produce a medium format DSLR with an EOS mount. (read the comments too).
 
Dan Chung is a professional photojournalist, and probably has official accreditiation for the Olympics, so yes I'd expect him to put us to shame.

Given they were taken on an iphone, yes the shots are good considering he's worked round it's limitations. I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine that in future, given the choice of shooting through binoculars or using his DSLR kit, he'll be opting for the latter.

Of course he would but the point isn't what kit is better, the point is the guy has an hell of an eye for detail and can make a phone camera work, with results that is beyond what most of us even imagine a phone can do.
 
Of course he would but the point isn't what kit is better, the point is the guy has an hell of an eye for detail and can make a phone camera work, with results that is beyond what most of us even imagine a phone can do.

That's not what the OP's original post implies, but I agree with you about how good Dan Chung is.
 
Please don't wait to see what happens. Please go read some stuff and understand. It's not about being passionate or caring too much, it's about gaining knowledge so that you don't end up like the idiots on the internet claiming that Canon are about to produce a medium format DSLR with an EOS mount. (read the comments too).

Well just to point out Sony have just released a full frame mirrorless camera. There will be more advanced ones coming from other manufacturers soon as well.
 
Clever photographer. Big event, did something different and got his name widely publicised.
 
mart77 said:
Well just to point out Sony have just released a full frame mirrorless camera. There will be more advanced ones coming from other manufacturers soon as well.

The price, the fixed lens and the price lol. It won't catch on to any huge degree.
 
Why do people swallow these rumours:thinking:

Physics.

That's all; bigger sensors require bigger lenses. Smaller sensors will never be as good as bigger sensors and don't allow for the same shallow DoF. The FF/APSC DSLR is a compromise between size and quality.

All of that ought to be obvious to anyone who has the faintest idea how a camera works.;)

do agree larger sensors will always have a quality advantage over smaller ones

(FF vs 1.6crop) but I believe that as sensor technology keeps improving full frame sensors will become a niche thing
the image quality of 1.6 crop cameras will be so good that thats all people will need even for landscapes:)
I used to use film years ago and its amazing what I can do with my 7D getting shots that I would not of been able to then , what I mean is we are already very lucky now with the gear that we have available now:)
 
SO they look like shots taken using a pricey compact ... and? I think people forget how much an iphone is to buy, outside of a contract. Hardly cheap. Price of a D3100 - I know which i'd rather have.
 
It shows what many of us have know for years a skilled photographer can get excellent results with all but the humblest of equipment,there is an obsession amongst a number on year that without £20K pounds worth of equipment you may as well give up,Dan Chung proves they are talking garbage
 
guess this changed a few minds then.
 
LCPete said:
do agree larger sensors will always have a quality advantage over smaller ones

(FF vs 1.6crop) but I believe that as sensor technology keeps improving full frame sensors will become a niche thing
the image quality of 1.6 crop cameras will be so good that thats all people will need even for landscapes:)
I used to use film years ago and its amazing what I can do with my 7D getting shots that I would not of been able to then , what I mean is we are already very lucky now with the gear that we have available now:)

So ff sensors don't move forward either? Go look at the d800.
 
So ff sensors don't move forward either? Go look at the d800.
Not what I meant as I said full frame sensors will always have an advantage over crop
What I was trying to say is that both crop and full frame are getting better all the time but the difference won't matter as the quality of crop sensors will be good enough for most people
:)
 
The quality of crop sensors already is good enough for most people. They just don't know it :)
 
ernesto said:
The quality of crop sensors already is good enough for most people. They just don't know it :)

Same could be said about point and shoot camera's. There good enough for most people too
 
The quality of crop sensors already is good enough for most people. They just don't know it :)

Exactly :)

I saw a couple of months ago on an American site some landscapes that a guy had taken using a 350D wonderful shots fantastic colour and detail
I know they were resized web shots but even so his 350D wasn't stopping him taking great shots
 
Exactly :)

I saw a couple of months ago on an American site some landscapes that a guy had taken using a 350D wonderful shots fantastic colour and detail
I know they were resized web shots but even so his 350D wasn't stopping him taking great shots

6 megapixel Canon D60 I wish i still had it because in decent conditions it produced great shots

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I wonder how many phone calls he's made on that iphone - I bet not many :lol:

I reckon it's been along time since it was actually a phone, more a mobile camera with internet access.
 
do agree larger sensors will always have a quality advantage over smaller ones

(FF vs 1.6crop) but I believe that as sensor technology keeps improving full frame sensors will become a niche thing
the image quality of 1.6 crop cameras will be so good that thats all people will need even for landscapes:)
I used to use film years ago and its amazing what I can do with my 7D getting shots that I would not of been able to then , what I mean is we are already very lucky now with the gear that we have available now:)

I'm not even a FF shooter, but you haven't got this; FF looks better because of the better DoF control, and all things being equal, itll always deliver better IQ than crop. Improvements in technology don't just benefit smaller sensors.

I'm not knocking crop sensors, but if I had the money I'd buy a leaf back or a hassleblad in a heartbeat.

I could even go for a D800 for the pixels, and I never coveted a Nikon in 30 years of photography.:shrug:
 
I'm not even a FF shooter, but you haven't got this; FF looks better because of the better DoF control, and all things being equal, itll always deliver better IQ than crop. Improvements in technology don't just benefit smaller sensors.

I'm not knocking crop sensors, but if I had the money I'd buy a leaf back or a hassleblad in a heartbeat.

I could even go for a D800 for the pixels, and I never coveted a Nikon in 30 years of photography.:shrug:
Agree about the DOF thing had forgotten about that
I actually like shooting with a narrow DOF , I mainly do macro and.nature shooting
full frame would actually make it easier
but my 400mm lens would be too short and superteles are way out of my budget:)
 
After reading this thread I am going to stop shooting weddings with my Blackberry and trade up to an iPhone 5 for the much better quality. :D
 
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