Everyone here using semi/pro bodies and lenses

Kinda answers the question I asked in another thread "What does a DSLR offer the pleasure Photographer" I got chased away.
 
Good shots - obviously has a lens adaptor so he can whack whatever glass he wants on
 
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specialman said:
Good shots - obviously has a lens adaptor so he can whack whatever glass he wants on
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the glass he's putting on? mostly a pair of canon binoculars....


If you think these are good, you should see what Dan can do with real kit...
 
itsdavedotnet said:
the glass he's putting on? mostly a pair of canon binoculars....


If you think these are good, you should see what Dan can do with real kit...
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+1

I see that he's got a Nikon D3 slung around his neck in his photo. I bet that the bins he was shooting through have a comparable cost to my lenses - and Amazon are selling the 4S (new & sim free) for more than I paid for my camera (2nd hand) too. I know that I'm comparing new to 2nd hand and that you can get 'deals & contracts' for phones, but you get my drift.
 
Rankbadyin said:
Kinda answers the question I asked in another thread "What does a DSLR offer the pleasure Photographer" I got chased away.
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Kinda doesn't and you got "chased away" because you refused to listen to anyone's opinion or feedback offering only your own view as the correct one.

And in that thread nobody said you cannot take nice images with a non DSLR and it would be silly to do so as these images prove.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Your wasting your money big time

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/27/london-olympics-2012-smartphone?fb=native

This person possibly puts many of us to shame.
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Dan Chung is a professional photojournalist, and probably has official accreditiation for the Olympics, so yes I'd expect him to put us to shame.

Given they were taken on an iphone, yes the shots are good considering he's worked round it's limitations. I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine that in future, given the choice of shooting through binoculars or using his DSLR kit, he'll be opting for the latter.
 
Zola Budd ran barefoot, Seb Loe can drive our road legal get-me-abouts better than we could drive a rally car, the best climbers can climb in trainers what we'd fall off in rock shoes etc etc....

All it proves is that people that are good, are good. :)
 
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shouldn't that be "show me something better then on a semi/pro body and lens" as that is what your post was referring to?
 
jonneymendoza said:
yes really :D

show me something better then on a iphone
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For one thing we dont know how many keepers he got and looking at small images online is not the same as a larger print.
 
yeah, saw this posted elsewhere.

He's got some nice shots, and lets face it, as they are taken with a phone chances are most people here could easily replicate them if they also had access to the areas he has.

But lets see what they looks like blown up? There's some noise ones, blurry ones and some boring ones. The Fencing photos show's that yes, you can take photos with a phone, but an SLR would handle it better.

All this "one camera is better than another" rubbish really annoys me anyway. it's horses for courses at the end of the day. Operator skills plays a large part as well. It's just a silly argument.

Oh, and if phones were enough, they wouldn't have these: http://www.petapixel.com/2012/07/31/canons-drool-worthy-gear-room-at-the-london-olympics/
 
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His photo's arenice in composition, but I don't think they come that close to the quality produced with even reasonable kit gear. They are also limited to a small resolution in the blog and I can't expand them.

Sure he's adapted his kit to shoot and shows the potential of a phone. A very expensive phone + bin's. Digital rev has a vid of a guy using a lego camera to capture some resonable shots.

I always say that part of photography is making your gear work for you and that the skill of the photographer outweighs the capabilities of his equipment but I don't think for a second that you can repace an SLR with an AyePhony and expect anywhere near close results.
 
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Should have just got the Sony DEV-5 recording binoculars and saved himself the hassle.
 
Rankbadyin said:
Kinda answers the question I asked in another thread "What does a DSLR offer the pleasure Photographer" I got chased away.
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Only someone with no knowledge whatsoever could confuse the ability to get a good photo with poor gear with being able to always get a good photo with any old gear.

One of my favourite photos of mine was taken on a phone, but all the rest were taken with gear that couldn't have been taken with anything much less than i used, definitely not with a phone.

Some could have been by taping a £500 lens to a £400 phone, but, other than 'because you can' what's the point?
 
ernesto said:
Kinda doesn't and you got "chased away" because you refused to listen to anyone's opinion or feedback offering only your own view as the correct one.

And in that thread nobody said you cannot take nice images with a non DSLR and it would be silly to do so as these images prove.
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oh dont encourage him chris :lol:

on this topic - you can certainly take decent pictures with an I phone (or indeed most smart phones) but only in certain circumstances - a DSLR is far more versatile - and i'm fairly sure dan chung would agree.
 
Jerry Ghionis submitted a wedding album shot on an iphone anonymously to wppi and it came 4th. Which is very good. But you know there are times a iPhone is enough and times where it really isn't. I have thought myself a few times that my compact is up to shooting a summer wedding, wont do that personally. The point of the thread is that the gap is closing and it really is. But I will not be selling myd700 for some time yet.
 
yeah at the end of the day the camera is just a tool - I once shot a wedding with a bridge camera ( i was there as a guest and the pro didnt turn up, so i borrowed the bridge from another guest) but it doesnt mean i want to make a habbit of it
 
mart77 said:
The point of the thread is that the gap is closing and it really is. But I will not be selling myd700 for some time yet.
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Not really, the point of the thread (from the OP) was that semi/pro bodies and lenses are a waste of money big time.

Personally, I don't think that the gap is especially getting bigger or smaller - but I do think there is a 'spectrum' of gear/performance and maybe the bottom end of the spectrum is currently less distinguishable than it has been - but there will always be good photography done with low-end equipment and vice versa.

There's an old adage that a good workman seldom blames his tools - but also that a master craftsman seldom works with poor tools.
 
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weybourne said:
Not really, the point of the thread (from the OP) was that semi/pro bodies and lenses are a waste of money big time.

Personally, I don't think that the gap is especially getting bigger or smaller - but I do think there is a 'spectrum' of gear/performance and maybe the bottom end of the spectrum is currently less distinguishable than it has been - but there will always be good photography done with low-end equipment and vice versa.

There's an old adage that a good workman seldom blames his tools - but also that a master craftsman seldom works with poor tools.
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But the technology at the lower ends changing. The autofocus is faster and better and so is the ISO performance. Also, the is only a certain level of performance that is needed to do many jobs and and non dslr cameras are close to this level. Even if there were a big gap, at a cetain point you just don't need what the high end offers. I'm in the camp that says it,s not the yet but I'm fully aware it's getting close. And then what. A smaller more compact mirror less will do a wedding really well for less money and no perceivable quality difference. We not there yet but or far off, 1-2 years.
 
There is probably a revolution coming, in the same way film gave way to digital the dslr will give wayto a new wave of pro line mirror less cameras. I think that a few months ago Nikon patented a medium format sensor in a mirrorless size body with some kind of technology and canon did something similar with different tech
 
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There is probably a revolution coming, in the same way film gave way to digital the dslr will give wayto a new wave of pro line mirror less cameras. I think that a few months ago Nikon patented a medium format sensor in a mirrorless size body with some kind of technology and canon did something similar with different tech
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Why do people swallow these rumours:thinking:

Physics.

That's all; bigger sensors require bigger lenses. Smaller sensors will never be as good as bigger sensors and don't allow for the same shallow DoF. The FF/APSC DSLR is a compromise between size and quality.

All of that ought to be obvious to anyone who has the faintest idea how a camera works.;)
 
I know all of that. The technology is changing.
 
I think the waste of money will be buying the I-phone hoping to be at the same level of skill that Mr. Dan. The camera as pointed out before is irrelevant if you don't have a clue about photography. Technically I am pretty sure Mr Dan will have had an easier time and better results with his usual kit.
 
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weybourne said:
I do think there is a 'spectrum' of gear/performance and maybe the bottom end of the spectrum is currently less distinguishable than it has been
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But the technology at the lower ends changing. The autofocus is faster and better and so is the ISO performance.
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I agree (but didn't go into specifics) - see above. I also reckon that the technology is changing in the mid-range and at the top-end too - though the (perceivable) rates of change from one end of the spectrum to the other do vary.



mart77 said:
Also, the is only a certain level of performance that is needed to do many jobs and and non dslr cameras are close to this level. Even if there were a big gap, at a cetain point you just don't need what the high end offers. I'm in the camp that says it,s not the yet but I'm fully aware it's getting close. And then what. A smaller more compact mirror less will do a wedding really well for less money and no perceivable quality difference. We not there yet but or far off, 1-2 years.
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I don't agree. As well as thinking that the gap isn't as small as you do (from low end to high end), 'capable/able' is not the same as 'suitable' or 'best tool for the job'. It takes a lot more than technology to take a good professional photograph, and for the professional, a camera/lens combo not only needs to produce good images but it needs to be durable, reliable and it needs to enable the photographer to get results by design quickly and without ado.

The low-end equipment will always be produced with a low price and an amateur/casual consumer in mind - now matter how capable it is of giving a good image, it will never be capable of replacing high-end equipment in the professional (or serious amateur) arena.
 
mart77 said:
I know all of that. The technology is changing.
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Technology changing is nothing new . But physics prevents large sensors with small lenses etc.
I'm not putting technology down, it's awesome what we can get out of it, but we can't beat the laws of physics.
 
There is also a key usability aspect to this. I am very amateur but I prefer to use a DSLR than a phone. Even if the phone gave me exactly the same results I would still use a DSLR and it is better to hold, has a viewfinder (critical to me), has buttons and dials etc, etc,.

The actual process and user experience of taking the photo needs to be taken into account for some. This is why some people still prefer using film cameras. The numbers will be getting lower but will still be there.
 
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Whilst they're pretty good shots, I don't think it proves much.

Camera phones are capable of pretty decent shots in "good" conditions, as are most compacts and bridge cameras.

A high-end DSLR and good glass allows you to carry on getting decent shots when camera phones, compacts and bridge camera are no longer capable.
 
Yes, there are some excellent photos here. Photos that look like they were taking by an experienced photojournalist, using a photojournalist's skills, knowledge, instincts, access - and low end equipment. The camera in the iPhone is pretty good. Much, much better than most P&S compacts from only a couple of years ago and even many current compacts. There is an iPhone thread or two on here, and other dedicated iPhone pages elsewhere, that show it is capable of taking some great photos.

The thing is, though, that the old adage about a good photographer being able to make good images with poor equipment applies as much as it ever did. Dan Chung takes photos with a professional photographer's eye, instincts and reflexes. He can spot a photo in a way that I couldn't, regardless of whether I have a cheapy compact or a D4. That clearly shows in the better shots and that is what people give him money for.

What also shows is that many of these shots are closer to good shapshots than anything else. They display the skills of a pro and the limitations of an iPhone camera - no control over depth of field, limited compositional scope, badly blown highlights. The same shots taken by Dan Chung with an SLR would have been much better photos in all these respects and more.

So, for mine - I will keep using my SLR and trying to get better at using it. I love how it gives me the potential to control my images and the quality of the shots it can produce. I will keep using my phone camera because it is always with me, simple to use and its lack of control helps me focus on composition. I will keep using the other cameras I have gathered for a range of other reasons. What Dan Chung does with an iPhone won't change any of that.
 
great shots, mostly but it comes down to using the limitations of what you have.
putting high quality optics on a camera phone is very clever.....but it's no longer just a camera phone, it's £1k worth of unwieldy and specialised equipment.
look at the shots where everything is blurred and grainy due to the limitations of the sensor. okay, they look artistic but will they end up on the cover of Time magazine?
Also the underwater shots. It doesn't matter what equipment you have. if you're not underwater, then you have a disadvantage! :P
If I took a camera phone to a gig (whatever type I like to shoot) a camera phone would not have a chance.

Great reportage shots and highly innovative. but they also highlight the limitations of the camera phone as well as equally celebrating the skill of this obviously talented, professional photographer
 
Phil V said:
Technology changing is nothing new . But physics prevents large sensors with small lenses etc.
I'm not putting technology down, it's awesome what we can get out of it, but we can't beat the laws of physics.
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The laws of physics can be got around with technology. THats my point. Goolge full frame mirrorless and medium format mirrorless it will be around in the next few months to one years, its already happening. as will large full frame mirrorless. its just around the corner.
 
Oh well each to his own, at least my camera doesn't ring in the middle of a shoot..... :D
 
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