Eurovision anyone ?

[BRASH]

You called her a freak which is hatred in my opinion. .

Get a grip. How is calling somebody a freak a sign of hatred. It's folk like you who put such a negative spin on things that's made the world such a PC nightmare. Just because I called someone a freak (and a bearded lady to me is just that) makes me a homophobic, chauvinist, misogynistic, racist, knuckle traing thug I suppose. Yeh, yeh heard it all before. Nothing like being stereotyped and pigeon holed.

 

[BillN_33]

In the past a "bearded lady" was regarded as a "freak" …….. a circus act

but Conchita is a man

 

[BRASH]

In the past a "bearded lady" was regarded as a "freak" …….. a circus act

but Conchita is a man

Is it tho?? I dunno, like I said I just don't get it either way.

 

[BillN_33]

Is it tho?? I dunno, like I said I just don't get it either way.

The guy is a transvestite and a drag queen - which I'm sure you know
He likes to dress up in women's clothes - he may be gay or he may not be

He could have been sticking two fingers up to the Russians ……. he probably was amongst other things
or it could be a protest against anti's

Anyway the guy has a good voice and he deserved to win - IMHO

 

[BRASH]

The guy is a transvestite and a drag queen - which I'm sure you know

I genuinely had no idea if it/he/she was a man, woman something in between, post op, pre op transvestite or transexual.

 

[viv1969]

I'm tired of people calling him her though.
HIS name is Tom Neuwirth, and he's a drag artist not a transexual.

 

[BillN_33]

I genuinely had no idea if it/he/she was a man, woman something in between, post op, pre op transvestite or transexual.

By using the word “freak” you have illustrated one of the points he may have wished to make, so it's good you brought it up.

Certain countries regard homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites, etc., as “freaks” and have banned them and made what they do illegal. They also have physically victimised them, Russia being such a country.

Russia and other Eastern European countries took part in the ESC.

“The Bearded Lady” of circus fame was regarded as a freak because she was a woman with a beard……. Bearded ladies in past society would have been ridiculed and victimised as homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites are today in some countries.

He is a guy, therefore he has used the term “Bearded Lady” to emphasise the way homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites are today treated in some countries.

That’s a simple take on it…….. I think

 

[viv1969]

......
He is a guy, therefore he has used the term “Bearded Lady” to emphasise the way homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites are today treated in some countries.

That’s a simple take on it…….. I think

The cynic in me suspects he's no other motive than self publicity and career opportunities.

 

[Cobra]

At the end of the day, does any of this really matter?
If I was him / her, that is Tom / Conchita,
I would be basking in the glory of becoming even more famous that I was before.
That is, winning the Eurovision,
and have half the world talking about "me"

I think Tom / Conchita, did what they set out to do, (and probably more come to that).
Mission accomplished I would say.
And it was a very clever piece marketing on behalf of the Austrians

 

[Cobra]

The cynic in me suspects he's no other motive than self publicity and career opportunities.

Thats pretty much what I was typing when you posted

 

[BillN_33]

At the end of the day, does any of this really matter?
If I was him / her, that is Tom / Conchita,
I would be basking in the glory of becoming even more famous that I was before.
That is, winning the Eurovision,
and have half the world talking about "me"

I think Tom / Conchita, did what they set out to do, (and probably more come to that).
Mission accomplished I would say.
And it was a very clever piece marketing on behalf of the Austrians

All that as well - I think I indicated the merit of the song and his performance, but considered his views before the contest …….. not that I am an expert, I just find it interesting

I was discussing the implications of the word "freak" and Bearded Lady, in that he or they just did not guess the name

 

[Cobra]

I was discussing the implications of the word "freak"

In days "gone by" and certainly in my life time, freak was a term (generalisation) used to describe anyone or anything that was out of the norm.
No way was it intended as a slur or an insult.

But then we have now moved on, the PC (or should that be outraged on someone else's behalf?) brigade have decided that the word is no longer acceptable,
along with many other (none (at the time) derogatory)) comments.

The world revolves and things change.
For better or worse?
Only we as individuals know the answer to that.

 

[BRASH]

Apparently Conchita is Spanish for little sea shell although the Urban Dictionary has a slightly different take on it (NSFW). So, if I now refer to someone as Conchita you'll know what I mean (even after I'm banned - again).

 

[acetone]

I'm tired of people calling him her though.
HIS name is Tom Neuwirth, and he's a drag artist not a transexual.

So how would you address Dame Edna Everage or Lilly Savage

Not the first bearded singer to dress in woman clothes , or have you all forgotten Freddy Mercury, and I can't remember any outrage when he did the same thing.

 

[BRASH]

So how would you address Dame Edna Everage or Lilly Savage

Not the first bearded singer to dress in woman clothes , or have you all forgotten Freddy Mercury, and I can't remember any outrage when he did the same thing.

...........and my favourite of all time, David Bowie on the original cover of The Man Who Sold The World.

 

[BillN_33]

Apparently Conchita is Spanish for little sea shell although the Urban Dictionary has a slightly different take on it (NSFW). So, if I now refer to someone as Conchita you'll know what I mean (even after I'm banned - again).

Not sure what you mean with NSFW …….but as you say - Conch is shell and an "ita" ending is diminutive, (feminine)

 

[Cobra]

So, if I now refer to someone as Conchita you'll know what I mean (even after I'm banned - again).

Trust you

 

[Cobra]

Not sure what you mean with NSFW …….

The definition is Not Safe For Work
ie its a generic warning, to stop kids and boss's from looking over your shoulder,
while opening the "post"

 

[BRASH]

Not sure what you mean with NSFW …….but as you say - Conch is shell and an "ita" ending is diminutive, (feminine)

Google it on the Urban Dictionary and you'll see what I mean by NSFW. I'll give you a clue it rhymes with hunt

 

[BRASH]

Trust you

Oh yeh!!!

 

[BillN_33]

Chiquitita = little one (feminine) - woman

ABBA

maybe that's were Chic came from

 

[BillN_33]

The definition is Not Safe For Work
ie its a generic warning, to stop kids and boss's from looking over your shoulder,
while opening the "post"

still clueless as to how it is applicable ....... but that's just me, so don't worry

 

[Cobra]

still clueless as to how it is applicable ....... but that's just me, so don't worry

If you look up Conchita in the urban dictionary, as Brash said,
it produces a word that would most certainly be caught by the swear filter

 

[BillN_33]

If you look up Conchita in the urban dictionary, as Brash said,
it produces a word that would most certainly be caught by the swear filter

Thanks

I missed the "Urban" dictionary bit - not familiar with it

 

[Anthony.Ralph]

...and wurst is the German/Austrian for sausage... or am I over-thinking this?

Anthony.

 

[BRASH]

 

[Dale_tem]

Sir Psycho Sexy - he is a freak of nature


and that is a fact

 

[BRASH]

Sir Psycho Sexy - he is a freak of nature


and that is a fact

Tiz!!

 

[viv1969]

So how would you address Dame Edna Everage or Lilly Savage

Not the first bearded singer to dress in woman clothes , or have you all forgotten Freddy Mercury, and I can't remember any outrage when he did the same thing.

I'm certainly not outraged. Good luck to him.

And I would address any of the former by thier chosen name..but would refer to him as him.

 

[Lynton]

£20 at 7/2... laughing all the way.. was so obvious because such a "freak" was going to get the votes... Personally I have no issues with people of either gender / sexuality / whatsoever, however rude not to make a quick £70...

 

[BillN_33]

£20 at 7/2... laughing all the way.. was so obvious because such a "freak" was going to get the votes... Personally I have no issues with people of either gender / sexuality / whatsoever, however rude not to make a quick £70...

Thanks Lynton
It is always interesting to hear other people's views and the way they seek to earn their money.
A different and constructive way to further the debate, presumably from the depth of Devon.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

There's a fair chance it will happen unless they catch Alex Salmon sleeping with Conchita

Wurst case scenario for Alex...

 

[Lynton]

Thanks Lynton
It is always interesting to hear other people's views and the way they seek to earn their money.
A different and constructive way to further the debate, presumably from the depth of Devon.

What????

If you want me to explain things simply....

I am pretty open minded and do not care about anyones sexuality / preference for dressing up in whatever / kinks or fantasies....

After seeing the semi final, I guessed she/he would get a lot of the votes, so as enjoy an occasional bet and to make it worth watching thought I would stick a few quid on it.. A sensible amount that would not really be missed if lost.

And lastly being OOF, I pretty much see that I can comment on any thread on here with anything, and if you don't like what you read, move on....

 

[BillN_33]

What????

If you want me to explain things simply....

I am pretty open minded and do not care about anyones sexuality / preference for dressing up in whatever / kinks or fantasies....

After seeing the semi final, I guessed she/he would get a lot of the votes, so as enjoy an occasional bet and to make it worth watching thought I would stick a few quid on it.. A sensible amount that would not really be missed if lost.

And lastly being OOF, I pretty much see that I can comment on any thread on here with anything, and if you don't like what you read, move on....

Read what you said
" was so obvious because such a "freak" was going to get the votes"

 

[Dale_tem]

Bill - have you read the dictionary definition of freak?

Anything out of the norm is basically a freak.

How it is used is different by different people. It is not always derogatory.

 

[BillN_33]

Bill - have you read the dictionary definition of freak?

Anything out of the norm is basically a freak.

How it is used is different by different people. It is not always derogatory.

Thanks, fair enough ……… I misread that ……. and I could go on ….. but never mine

 

[Lynton]

Also the fact i put it in quotation makes would suggest i was quoting others, and therefore not necessarily my own opinion???

However the fact remains, unless you want to go for "shock tactics", should a male choose to dress as a female, one of the first things they generally try to do, is remove all signs of facial hair, as not an overly "feminine" look... however, each to their own...

 

[andya700]

Really is that called for? Surely in this day and age we should celebrate the variety of life.

So much hatred in this world just because people dare to be different, I am glad she won as it was two fingers up to the likes of you and Russia.

To be perfectly honest, I find nothing funny or attractive with a well bearded guy dressed up as a woman, in fact I think it looks bizarre and gross. My wife feels the same way about it as well, and it has nothing at all to do with homophobia or hatred of transvestites.
The last time I saw something as shocking as that, was on holiday many years ago. A German lady was stretched out on a sunlounger, and as far as we could ascertain, she had parts of the Black Forest erupting from her armpits.
It seems that some people just set out to shock, rather than rely on their natural talents.

 

[BillN_33]

Just to repeat what i said earlier and the use of the word "freak"

"Certain countries regard homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites, etc., as “freaks” and have banned them and made what they do illegal. They also have physically victimised them, Russia being such a country.

Russia and other Eastern European countries took part in the ESC.

“The Bearded Lady” of circus fame was regarded as a freak because she was a woman with a beard……. Bearded ladies in past society would have been ridiculed and victimised as homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites are today in some countries.

He is a guy, therefore he has used the term “Bearded Lady” to emphasise the way homosexuals, drag artists and transvestites are today treated in some countries.

That’s a simple take on it…….. I think"


I think what he has done, (the beard, the name, the persona), is part of a protest, although others say that it was for commercial reasons …………. the protest element he speaks of in his interviews

Calling the guy a "freak" in the way the "Bearded Lady" was, because he is a transvestite is, IMHO, not justified ………… in that, in our society, (not the Russian or African), we have got past that and do not regard transvestite as "freaks" no matter how distasteful some find them

The modern use of the term "freak" , if it differs in meaning, may be different, but that was not my emphasis ………. I am sorry if I mis read what Lynton said but I was continuing the previous debate and I felt that he had called the guy a "freak" in the Bearded Lady sense and indeed took pleasure in betting on a "freak"

 

[Alastair]

So how would you address Dame Edna Everage or Lilly Savage

Yup.. it's an established tradition to refer to a theatrical persona by the gender adopted by the persona, not the gender of the actor. So when in costume it's correct to use the female pronoun for Conchita, but out of costume the male pronoun is correct for Tom.

And Conchita Wurst isn't a bearded lady - not in the true Annie Jones sense of the term.