Englands fastest speeders

And speaking of undertaking motorists... :D

Although the cyclist seems a little self righteous

I thought the Met police were supposed to display their badge numbers. Not displaying them was something the met disputed during the london protests and kettling.
 
Gaz J said:
And the roads are also full of asshole car drivers who think that the correct way to overtake is by not using indicators or if they do bother to use them think an indicator has some magic power of suddenly making a space appear. Not that I'm saying that you're that kind of driver!
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Yes I...I think we've covered that, Forrest. :lol:
 
Bernie - if they were minor dinks then the figures for repairs would be lower? It's difficult to find any figures published as the police don't reveal them unless you have a freedom of information request, and even then some decline through 'operational necessity'. I thought Hants would be a representative force as it has the required mix of roads, large amounts or rural, dual carriageway and motorway.
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In my early days of being a Policeman, they would repair everything, straight away, so a minor scratch would result in the car being wizzed off. In my latter days, they wouldn't bother, so that may explain the cost issue you mention. Also, when a police car gets a mullered properly, then the repair bills are going to be high.
As for Hants, yes, it has a mix of roads, but for example TVP is a third bigger, in manpower and area. The MPS is smaller, but has nearly 50,000 staff, as opposed to Hants which has 6700.

My concern with what you said, while I can see how you got to the conclusion, is ST4 leaping on it as gospel, as he has!

I thought the Met police were supposed to display their badge numbers
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I think if you look closely, he has. They are the sown on type, which I don't think show up very well.
 
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ST4 said:
It was all in that 1/5th of a second thing, from the collision, to being impaled on the steering collumn, it happens in under a second. Of course speed will increase the chances of a bad outcome, but the bad outcome isn't usually because of the speed but because of poor steering, braking, lack of observation, inappropriate speed for a corner, conditions, approaching junction etc, a lack of awareness of other motorists.

If we all set limits to be truly safe, no matter how bad the driving is, we'd have to drive at 10mph. Maybe 15 tops.

Polis said as much when I was caught, he said, what would happen if you crashed at 138mph. I said, what would happen if I crashed at 70....I'd be dead, its the same outcome, maybe a bit easier to ID my body from the wreckage. He wasn't impressed but took the point...LOL
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So what was the outcome of your safe at 138mph rant a while back?
 
TopBanana said:
Looks like Avon & somerset police have got a new toy to deter speeding (particularly bikes apparently) in the form of an Ariel Atom: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/10875978/Worlds-fastest-police-car-unveiled.html :cool:
Shame the article says there are no plans to use it in operational police duties.
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Pretty sure that the Lambo and Ferrari mentioned are both faster than the Atom BUT the Atom is probably quicker (faster to me implies top speed while quicker implies shorter lap time, as tested by TG.) Many bikes are also faster (out of the box, no modifications) with the Hayabusa being the fastest that springs to mind. Hell, Mrs Nod's car is limited to the Atom's top speed but I would think that could (if required) be overridden with a chip.

Not sure than any forces actually give chase to speeding bikes these days after a spate of rider deaths attributed to being chased. A&S are apparently less tolerant of speeders than many other forces and at one point (so I'm told by someone "in the know") were ignoring the 10% grace that some other forces were allowing in accordance with ACPO guidelines.
 
Nod said:
Pretty sure that the Lambo and Ferrari mentioned are both faster than the Atom BUT the Atom is probably quicker (faster to me implies top speed while quicker implies shorter lap time, as tested by TG.) Many bikes are also faster (out of the box, no modifications) with the Hayabusa being the fastest that springs to mind. Hell, Mrs Nod's car is limited to the Atom's top speed but I would think that could (if required) be overridden with a chip.

Not sure than any forces actually give chase to speeding bikes these days after a spate of rider deaths attributed to being chased. A&S are apparently less tolerant of speeders than many other forces and at one point (so I'm told by someone "in the know") were ignoring the 10% grace that some other forces were allowing in accordance with ACPO guidelines.
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Probably wouldn't even need a chip. It will be no more than a speed limiter function programmed into the ecu, much the same as some vans have. Simply deleting it's function with the diagnostic computer is all that would probably be needed.
 
ST4 said:
I got a ban and a driving ban. Next year though, I will treat myself to a nice car, a 730d BMW. They make great second hand buys.
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And are easy to sell on the next time you put your clog down ;)
 
DorsetDude said:
Wow, must have been pretty scary then?...

:LOL:
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When i looked in my miror for mirror signal manuevre he was about 50 yds back and although he was closing and i assumed he would either slow down or pass me on the outside it never occured to me that anyone would think it was sensible to pass a turning vehicle on the inside- as i started to turn i saw a flicker of movent out of the corner of my left eye and instinctively stamped on the brakes - he passed the front corner of the truck in a blur with about 3 inches to spare

the momentum of the turn then brake caused the trailer to tip over spilling logs accross both carriage ways (but fortunately without causing any other accidents) - we had to stop the teaffic in both directions (aided by a police car who happened along) in order to collect up all the logs. As i say the cops werent best pleased but when circs were explained they did say that it wasnt my fault and that i'd done well to avoid hitting him.
 
Byker28i said:
Some interesting figures from 2013
Thames Valley Police recorded 789 crashes involving its patrol cars, with over half of the incidents deemed the fault of the police driver at a cost of £396,000
Surrey Police logged 477 incidents ranging from serious collisions to windscreen chips with repairs to vehicles costing £374,058
Hampshire did far better,with 413 crashes although 300 of the crashes were caused by Hampshire Police personnel, causing damage which cost the force a total of £172,371
Worse was a police officer was killed in one of their crashes.

At least Hampshire defended theirs, the others refused to comment. Our fleet of vehicles covered 15.8 million miles in all weather conditions in 2012/13 but were involved in an incident where blame can be attributed to the police driver once every 53,000 miles. Although the vast majority of incidents were minor collisions, any incident involving a police vehicle is regrettable.'

The interesting bit I found there was One accident every 53,000 miles. That must work out about the same or worse than an average driver? Ok they often drive in different circumstances, but have extra training to offset that.
Which seems to indicate that human nature is the same and mistakes will be made?


having said all that - the investigation that goes on is quite intensive: http://www.gloucestershire.police.uk/foi/Information Classes/Policies/item11331.pdf
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Putting this into a bit of perspective, very few police drivers are actually trained to the highest police standards, most only have basic driver training. Only traffic, firearms and possibly force support officers (public order units, depending on the force) are trained to advanced level.

Furthermore, even less are trained in pursuit driving and tactics.

Also, deliberate damage comes into play with the figures, part of TPAC tactics include "tactical contact" between vehicles in order to stop a pursuit or other danger. If in doing so a police vehicle or the bandits vehicle are damaged, these are classed as "at fault" damages even though it's part of an approved tactic. I'm told whenever I do it I have to inform my OWN insurance company that I've had a collision!
 
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ST4 said:
Italy is great, its got 130kmph limits
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I know the Italians make some fast monsters but 130,000 miles per hours some serious speed :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
MWHCVT said:
I know the Italians make some fast monsters but 130,000 miles per hours some serious speed :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
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:D
That's what I like to see, quote someone's post before they have a chance to edit the cock-up :D
 
Cobra said:
:D
That's what I like to see, quote someone's post before they have a chance to edit the cock-up :D
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Gotta be done :P hell normally is me that's caught makes a refreshing change
 
MWHCVT said:
Gotta be done :p hell normally is me that's caught makes a refreshing change
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Very true Matt very true.
Now, I COULD if I had a mind, go back and ninja all that out, and just leave your comment to "stand alone"
If it makes you feel any better? :D
 
nilagin said:
Probably wouldn't even need a chip. It will be no more than a speed limiter function programmed into the ecu, much the same as some vans have. Simply deleting it's function with the diagnostic computer is all that would probably be needed.
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Possibly. However, I have no intention of getting anywhere near the limit let alone beyond it! #1, I'll live longer, #2, the car will last longer and #3, I'll get to keep my license...
 
Cobra said:
Very true Matt very true.
Now, I COULD if I had a mind, go back and ninja all that out, and just leave your comment to "stand alone"
If it makes you feel any better? :D
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Presumably ninas wear pink unitards with separated toes?
 
Cobra said:
Very true Matt very true.
Now, I COULD if I had a mind, go back and ninja all that out, and just leave your comment to "stand alone"
If it makes you feel any better? :D
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Nah no need to do that at all old boy ;)
 
ST4 said:
Wouldn't their dibble take a cash incentive to make it go away?
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Couldn't possibly comment on that .... (yes), although Rome's cameras decided they wanted 120 euros as I drove in a wrong zone apparently. More like parked on a zebra crossing outside the hotel for 5 mins.
 
Byker28i said:
Couldn't possibly comment on that .... (yes), although Rome's cameras decided they wanted 120 euros as I drove in a wrong zone apparently. More like parked on a zebra crossing outside the hotel for 5 mins.
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I'd hand over 500EUR gladly to dibble if I thought it was a pass (ie.e no ticket etc) for 138mph in an 80 limit.
 
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ST4 said:
I'd hand over 500EUR gladly to dibble if I thought it was a pass (ie.e no ticket etc) for 138mph in an 80 limit.
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Interesting so you'd be happy for the law to have a price, is that all laws or you know just the ones you don't agree with...sorry to say Steve but you really don't come across as a particularly sensible driver from your attitude in this and past threads...I'd be willing to be that if the judge saw your complete lack of remorse over your speed you'd have received a stronger punishment that you actually did :(
 
il dibble would probably take the bribe money then send you a ticket anyway - what are you gonna say "but no I bribed the officer who stopped me "
 
the simplest way to avoid a ticket is not to drive like that on the public road in the first place... if you need an endophin fix buy a track day
 
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