England To Have Its Own National Anthem

No vote for Scotland, Wales and NI? Where's the fun in that? :naughty:

:D
 
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Nod said:
Stevenage's finest? ;)



Swing Low, Sweet Chariot would be better for that! :D
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"Coming" for to carry me home ............ I know what sign you are thinking of :eek:
 
Ricardodaforce said:
No, I am not baiting. But every time I have heard a story like this I subsequently discover it's not actually true. If it is true, then it is wrong. If it is true.
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No, you're being much too kind to our over PC ruling class. Do you remember the lady politician belittling a bloke with a white van and England flag just a while ago... big news at the time. Labour wasn't she? But I'm not sure.

This assumption that anyone flying an England flag is a half educated racist thug really is insulting. Of course there are racists but IMO we should retain of national symbols with pride and not be forced to abandon them because of a relatively tiny number of undesirables.

Can anyone imagine the Scots not being allowed to fly their flag? Unthinkable.
 
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Cobra said:
Are they still allowed to? I thought we sorted them out over that William Wallace thing :D
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Having spend time in Thailand I have more admiration for the Scots now. They're a tough lot. Wearing dresses in hot and humid Thailand is one thing (er... not that I do... I'm a shorts or jeans guy...) but in the northern UK it's a completely different matter.
 
woof woof said:
but in the northern UK it's a completely different matter.
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Aye, I can imagine it would be a little chilly around the Trossachs!
:D
 
Somebody on LBC suggested "Vindaloo" might be a good anthem? :)
 
I find it quite interesting really.
As a kid watching the 4 and 5 nations I always thought it odd that Wales and Scotland had their own anthems for their national teams and England didn't. If you just go back over the years and see the passion that the other home nations sing their anthems with and then compare it to England's rendition then there is no doubt as to the emotion that this simple pre-match routine creates for pretty much everyone other than England. I've kinda always been a bit jealous tbh and wished I could watch my team (England) get the same sense of pride and duty from our anthem but it has rarely happened. (maybe the 2003 Rugby World Cup??)

The question is why don't we get the same pride and emotional burst that other teams do? Is it merely the song/music and it's slow pace and hollow meaningless hard to identify with words? Or is it the fact its England and we have less pride and passion for playing for our country?

Whichever the reason is, even if it's only for the rugby, I'm in favour of trying another more 'English' song just to see if we can get anywhere near the heights the Welsh, Irish and Scots seem to with theirs. (Has anyone been to Cardiff and witnessed them singing their anthem? It is pretty awe inspiring) Does it give other nations a competitive advantage? My view is that overall, generally yes it does, a bit. Yes a team can get over hyped and emotional etc and probably have done in the past, affecting their overall early minutes performance, but generally, anyone who has played team sport to a reasonably competitive level will understand that motivation, pride and collective spirit counts for a lot in performance.

I would personally ban the Haka as it gives the All Blacks an advantage, its aggressive, confrontational, a war dance and gives a public display of team unity and togetherness that definitely is intended to intimidate and hype. Any attempts made to nullify this (turning of backs, linking of arms and slowly fronting up moving into the Kiwi's faces) has been deemed disrespectful and banned! One look at the AB's performing it should negate anyone's belief that it makes no difference....

So, there ya have it, I'm sorta jealous of other nations pride in their anthem and playing for their country and anything that can possibly change that meaning England might get a small amount of what the other Home Nations have has to be a good thing in my book! Sod politics, I just want our national teams to do better! Clutching at straws? Yeah, I know....
 
Rich_Ellis said:
I would personally ban the Haka as it gives the All Blacks an advantage, its aggressive, confrontational, a war dance and gives a public display of team unity and togetherness that definitely is intended to intimidate and hype
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I don't follow rugby in the slightest, but I do admire the all blacks war dance.
As to whether it intimidates or not, surely not? "we" have a ruffty tuffty team too,
they are not a bunch of school girls going to a country dance festival ;)
 
Rich_Ellis said:
I would personally ban the Haka as it gives the All Blacks an advantage, its aggressive, confrontational, a war dance and gives a public display of team unity and togetherness that definitely is intended to intimidate and hype. Any attempts made to nullify this (turning of backs, linking of arms and slowly fronting up moving into the Kiwi's faces) has been deemed disrespectful and banned! One look at the AB's performing it should negate anyone's belief that it makes no difference....
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But isn't it also to honour your opponent?

Have to say that if I was a rugger player the Haka wouldn't intimidate me in the slightest. Maybe because I've drunk in pubs in Middlesbrough... a few prancing blokes pulling faces seems like light relief :D
 
English National Anthem - is that PC today in this England of ours ........the self appointed PC brigade and socialists would find it totally unacceptable unless it was in 10 languages

No let's just have one for Yorkshire and Bradford - you chose the language
 
Cobra said:
I don't follow rugby in the slightest, but I do admire the all blacks war dance.
As to whether it intimidates or not, surely not? "we" have a ruffty tuffty team too,
they are not a bunch of school girls going to a country dance festival ;)
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Good point. Ours should be Underworld - Born slippy :)
 
Works ok at the moment:

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

O Lord our God arise
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall
Confound their politics
Frustrate their knavish tricks
On Thee our hopes we fix
God save us all

Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour
Long may she reign
May she defend our laws
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen

Verse 4 - pretty good all love and Harmony, until we get to verse 6

Not in this land alone
But be God's mercies known
From shore to shore
Lord make the nations see
That men should brothers be
And form one family
The wide world over

From every latent foe
From the assassins blow
God save the Queen
O'er her thine arm extend
For Britain's sake defend
Our mother, prince, and friend
God save the Queen


So love peace and harmony to all, but the Scots

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King




So that's ST 4 sorted :D
 
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I don't follow rugby in the slightest, but I do admire the all blacks war dance.
As to whether it intimidates or not, surely not? "we" have a ruffty tuffty team too,
they are not a bunch of school girls going to a country dance festival ;)
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Not sure other teams are intimidated but it's the purpose of it - its the effect it has on them that I'm jealous of, it fires them up to a different level! Watch a youtube vid of it....

woof woof said:
But isn't it also to honour your opponent?

Have to say that if I was a rugger player the Haka wouldn't intimidate me in the slightest. Maybe because I've drunk in pubs in Middlesbrough... a few prancing blokes pulling faces seems like light relief :D
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Yeah it is used to 'Honour distinguished guests" now, but it wan't its history.

See above response, whether it does actually intimidate isn't really the point (although I bet a few were by the likes of Lomu etc), its the heightened passion the participants have to the ritual that lifts them.
 
Rich_Ellis said:
Watch a youtube vid of it....
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Oh I've seen it a few times here and there, and yes I still admire them for it (y)

Rich_Ellis said:
... its the heightened passion the participants have to the ritual that lifts them.
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With our peace loving nature, maybe the Brits should sit around and meditate for 20 mins :D
 
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woof woof said:
No, you're being much too kind to our over PC ruling class. Do you remember the lady politician belittling a bloke with a white van and England flag just a while ago... big news at the time. Labour wasn't she? But I'm not sure.
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I do have a recollection of that. It was during elections if I remember rightly. It wasn't an example of the banning of the flying of the flag of St George though.
 
Cobra said:
Oh I've seen it a few times here and there, and yes I still admire them for it (y)


With our peace loving nature, maybe the Brits should sit around and meditate for 20 mins :D
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Haha - or some kind of tea drinking ritual... a ceremonial passing of the china?
 
Cobra said:
Ah yes call in the Japanese for tea ceremony lessons :D
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now that jogs my fading memory ,why not have something we can either sing along to or just hum or whistle the tune ,and we already have something that is typically english used by serving members of H.M forces for a long time
THE COLONEL BOGEY MARCH
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Surely the Haka is only advantageous to the all blacks if the big girls blouses on the other team can't take it.

I can't imagine a single professional sportsman being the least bit intimidated by it.
 
viv1969 said:
Surely the Haka is only advantageous to the all blacks if the big girls blouses on the other team can't take it.

I can't imagine a single professional sportsman being the least bit intimidated by it.
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Ummm....what about personal motivation?
 
viv1969 said:
Surely the Haka is only advantageous to the all blacks if the big girls blouses on the other team can't take it.

I can't imagine a single professional sportsman being the least bit intimidated by it.
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Man United, Chelsea and all those "girly" footballers
 
viv1969 said:
What about it?
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I have a feeling this is going to be a tricky discussion. Professional sport is about confidence, passion, belief in your abilities, your team mates as well as skill etc. Rugby is brutal. Taking part in the Haka helps to boost the things needed to compete at the highest level. A 1% lift in any of those areas will make a massive difference in a game of the intensity a top international match contains. Personal motivation and a boost of said areas to the participants of the Haka. NOT the opponents necessarily, although a very slight lift in nervousness of the opponents could also have a beneficial effect to the All Blacks. Its ancestral roots were in intimidation and firing up of the warriors ready to go into battle.
 
Rich_Ellis said:
I have a feeling this is going to be a tricky discussion. Professional sport is about confidence, passion, belief in your abilities, your team mates as well as skill etc. Rugby is brutal. Taking part in the Haka helps to boost the things needed to compete at the highest level. A 1% lift in any of those areas will make a massive difference in a game of the intensity a top international match contains. Personal motivation and a boost of said areas to the participants of the Haka. NOT the opponents necessarily, although a very slight lift in nervousness of the opponents could also have a beneficial effect to the All Blacks. Its ancestral roots were in intimidation and firing up of the warriors ready to go into battle.
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seems to work for the NZ team ........ maybe the English Team should 'dance around the MayPole" or do a Morris Dance and then start the match whilst the other team are still p1ssing themselves with fear, sorry, laughter
 
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Rich_Ellis said:
Taking part in the Haka helps to boost the things needed to compete at the highest level.
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OK so serious question, if its so important, why don't "we" learn it?

Or at least do what the Scots did when fighting the English? ( that last comment may have been a bit flippant )

( Edit in case your are not sure, it was whip off the kilt and come screaming stark bllock naked at the enemy :D )
 
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BillN_33 said:
seems to work for the NZ team ........ maybe the English Team should 'dance around the MayPole" or do a Morris Dance and then start the match whilst the other team are still p1ssing themselves with fear, sorry, laughter
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Oh I like the Morris Dancing idea best of all. All those sticks, bells and hankies! The opponents will be totally incapacitated for minutes after the start of the match!
 
Cobra said:
OK so serious question, if its so important, why don't "we" learn it?

Or at least do what the Scots did when fighting the English? ( that last comment may have been a bit flippant :D )
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A good question and I think it means more to them as it is a tradition in the Maori culture and rugby players there are brought up with it. If we did it, it wouldn't carry the same weight for a hundred years or so, until it became traditional and embedded in our rugby culture too. Still, maybe we should also think of our children's children's children and introduce it now!
 
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Rich_Ellis said:
Still, maybe we should also think of children's children's children and introduce it now!
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Ok so do like the ancient Scots did, that's "closer to home" :D
 
Cobra said:
OK so serious question, if its so important, why don't "we" learn it?

Or at least do what the Scots did when fighting the English? ( that last comment may have been a bit flippant )

( Edit in case your are not sure, it was whip off the kilt and come screaming stark bllock naked at the enemy :D )
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eye contact has always been non verbal communication, in humans and in animals

The eyes are powerful communicators

if during the Haka this does occur it can give a meaningful message ............. either way
 
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