England football supporters again bring shame!

[sphexx]

By hitting low (and getting inside the posts) you have a chance to score,

I think my point is that it’s playing safe on the grounds that it can’t go lower than ground level .

going high means you can miss at the sides AND the top so more risk -

Yes. You could argue it require more skill then , I suppose that’s why rugby players have the goalposts essentially upside down compared with soccer .

 

[Dave Canon]

Not supporting Football since the Heysel Stadium disaster, I am no doubt unqualified to offer an opinion. In rugby, we would never tolerate 0-0 draws and from time to time the rules have changed to keep the game exciting. I cannot understand why Football has not changed (e.g. make the goals larger). If the goals were a little larger the chances of getting to penalty shoot out would be slim. Would football fans be happy to see scores of 6-5 or 10-8 rather than 1-1 or 0-0.

Dave

 

[tijuana taxi]

We need something like American Football or Baseball
A sport only we compete in and can declare ourselves World Champions.
Baseball has a World Series, yet only teams from one country play in it.

 

[sphexx]

Not supporting Football since the Heysel Stadium disaster, I am no doubt unqualified to offer an opinion. In rugby, we would never tolerate 0-0 draws and from time to time the rules have changed to keep the game exciting. I cannot understand why Football has not changed (e.g. make the goals larger). If the goals were a little larger the chances of getting to penalty shoot out would be slim. Would football fans be happy to see scores of 6-5 or 10-8 rather than 1-1 or 0-0.

Dave

My theory is that it was (is?) important to keep up the number of draws for the football pools to work . Do the Pools still exist?

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Not supporting Football since the Heysel Stadium disaster, I am no doubt unqualified to offer an opinion. In rugby, we would never tolerate 0-0 draws and from time to time the rules have changed to keep the game exciting. I cannot understand why Football has not changed (e.g. make the goals larger). If the goals were a little larger the chances of getting to penalty shoot out would be slim. Would football fans be happy to see scores of 6-5 or 10-8 rather than 1-1 or 0-0.

Dave

Do away with the offside rule as well....

 

[Gremlin]

Do away with the offside rule as well....

Just do away with football !

 

[Marc]

Baseball has a World Series, yet only teams from one country play in it.

I believe that's because it was originally sponsored by The World newspaper.

 

[THIRTYFIVEMILL]

No. Idiots from the Jeremy Kyle brigade use football as an excuse to cause more bedlam, should be the post title. Doesn't matter which country (although this one has a huge cross section of JK folks), they'll use any excuse to cause chaos and always will. The inability of that cross section to communicate with other human beings except via text message hasn't and won't help. God help my son.

 

[JohnC6]

I was listening to talkSport today..really good football chat spoilt by the frequency of ads but that's what pays for it.
A couple of stewards called in and two listeners. Between them they said this.

The stadium at full capacity holds 90,000 and one steward said his guess (through experience) was there were 70,000 inside the stadium. It looked to almost capacity.He put the ticketless supporters numbers at 10,000. They would have known that there were 30,000 unoccupied seats which no doubt motivated them to try to get in. One thing that I wondered about was those tickets were expensive and it seems a lot of children went with dad .Here's the cost of them. Without analysing it all I couldn't understand how enough fans..the kind who would boo Italy's national anthem ( or any country's anthem..and, in this instance, boo Italian players as they came into possession of the ball, could make the impact they did but having heard the estimated number of 'gate-crashers'..literally.. I can see how that was possible.

Ticket prices:

Category 1...£808
Category 2...£509
Category 3...£252


Before I write what the stewards said a dad rang in and said he was with his two boys and a friend with his two boys and they were frightened as they left and saw Italian fans being attacked. He's vowed never to go to an England game again.He said he's been in stadiums in Germany,Italy,Spain and Holland and never seen anything like it. He also said that in those countries fans without tickets wouldn't get anywhere near the stadiums. After the game they were unable to get to their cars which were parked within walking distance because the police had sealed off the road as a result of a stabbing. They got home at 2.30am. I recall someone else saying that two armed officers ran past them chasing a male. An adult or a young man he didn't say.

• Category 1:.. £808
• Category 2 ...£509
• Category 3: ..£252

The two stewards who rang in said they have years of experience stewarding football games. One described security as 'a shambles' and added that this was a massive game and after most of the season without supporters at their own grounds it was clear to him that there could be trouble so why the police were so late in attendance considering there were drunks in Olympic (Wembley) Way at 9.00am and some of them had climbed onto buses, is beyond him. He also said that police football intelligence units ought to have had their fingers on the pulse..ie monitoring social media because it was clear to him a lot of it was co-ordinated . He also added that, to be fair, a lot of the co-ordination was done via an encrypted WhatsApp. He also questioned why hadn't someone thought to put up a huge screen in the likes of Hyde Park ? He said there were enough stewards for the 60,000 who had tickets. He questioned why the perimeter of the stadium wasn't policed. Infact, the Chairman of the Met Police Federation said they were taken by surprise. 49 arrests were made.Several officers were attacked. Reading this report it seems that was at Piccadaily Circus and other locations in central London. It makes for grim reading. https://worldnewsera.com/news/uk/th...s-england-supporters-after-officers-attacked/

The other steward said that 30-40 tried to get into the stadium through his gate . Another gate targetted and breached was one allocated for disabled people. The main gates were 'stormed' and the chains broken. Another tactic by the great unwashed was to slipstgream/tailkgate in close behind a ticket holder. One caller said he bwas with his elderley father who had a heart condition and as they were about to go through the turnstyle he became aware of a his words.. a very menacing-looking man and he clicked what he was about to try so averted it. Some stewards were injured. Inside the ground many ticket-holders were unable to take their seat as they was occupied by the gate-crashers and they were frightened to challenge the occupants. Even Mancini's son had his seat taken and he had to sit on the stairway as did many others which was became a safety issue. Even the seats where the stewards would take a break had been taken. One ticketless fan on the steps was seen peeing into a cup.

The steward who related the moist of his experience on Sunday said he's often allocated to Millwall and Brighton stadiums where trouble is well documented and expectedf but there are measures in place. He wondered what liaison there had been begtween the police-UEFA and the FA.

After hearing the full extent of the day's events I thought these so-called fans have brought shame onto the country .

No doubt there'll be an intensive post- mortem by the authorities involved. The upshot of this is that it may well have cost the UK and Ireland the chance to host the 2030 World Cup. The treasury were anticipating putting in a £2.3 million bid-investment.

 

[cambsno]

We need something like American Football or Baseball
A sport only we compete in and can declare ourselves World Champions.
Baseball has a World Series, yet only teams from one country play in it.

Well, we have snooker - generally the best at that, plus darts, aside from MVG and a few Dutch we are normally winning things!

 

[JohnC6]

Also on talkSport was a discussion between the the host ,a Scot whose name eludes me and a Simon Jordon. I had to check on who he is. Turns out he's businessman who bought Crystal Palace in 2000. Listed on 'Richest Entrepreneur' list. I wondered who he was as the way he talked was a few steps ahead of the regular contributers. He has confidence in Southgate on the following grounds. He also cited Joachim Low..the German national team manager stating that he went into management in 1994, the same year as his playing career came to an end and didn't have much high-profile experience in management before being offered the national team job .He got Germany to the final of the European Championship but lost to Spain. In 2010, Germany finished in 3rd-place at the World Cup but in 2014 that he won his one and only trophy with the national team to date, the 2014 Wold Cup in Brazil.

Jordon said that managing at national level is different to domestic clubs so he can't be judged on previous management results. A mighty task considering no major tournament win in 55 years but he thinks he's the man to do it and in no small part due to his excellent man-mangement skills. He's very good at interpersonal skills. He's pragmatic, says sensible things (aprt from the alleged Blitz comments ) not emotive, no extremes,no irritgations,no ego. His weakness is he's not brave, he's re-active rather than being pro-active and Jordon is certain that Southgate will look at these shortcomings and right them. I'm sure he won't leave it as long as he did to bring on subs and maybe change the shape when things aren't going too well. Jordon finished by saying that there's more right about him than wrong.

Personally, my feelings were along the same lines because the way he brought the individual players together to form a solid cohesive unit is invaluable. As mentioned before..putting on Grealish against Denmark and shortly afterwards taking him off to retain the one goal lead and have Grealish happily ..maybe not the right term..go along with it is testament to that. Those who didn't take part in some or even all of the games were very supportive of those who did. No teddies were thrown out of the pram. I'm optimistic about our progress to the World Cup next year but we won't get such an 'easy'..it's never 'easy'. though, run and in addition many games played at Wembley.

 

[sphexx]

I believe that's because it was originally sponsored by The World newspaper.

Not forgetting of course that the entire reason for the US boycott/blockade of Cuba is that they fear the Cubans would thrash them at baseball if they had a chance .

 

[tijuana taxi]

Also on talkSport was a discussion betyween the the host ,a Scot whose name eludes me and a Simon Jordon. I had yo check on who he is. Turns out he's businessman who bought Crystal Palace in 2000. Listed on 'Richest Entrepreneur' list. I wondered who he was as the way he talked was a few steps ahead of the regular contributers. He has confidence in Southgate on the following grounds. He also cited Joachim Low..the German national team manager stating that he went into management in 1994, the same year as his playing career came to an end and didn't have much high-profile experience in management before being offered the national team job .He got Germany to the final of the European Championship but lost to Spain. In 2010, Germany finished in 3rd-place at the World Cup but in 2014 that he won his one and only trophy with the national team to date, the 2014 Wold Cup in Brazil.

Jordon said that managing at national level is different to domestic clubs so he can't be judged on previous management results. A mighty task considering no major tournament win in 55 years but he thinks he's the man to do it and in no small part due to his excellent man-mangement skills. He's very good at interpersonal skills. He's pragmatic, says sensible things (aprt from the alleged Blitz comments ) not emotive, no extremes,no irritgations,no ego. His weakness is he's not brave, he's re-active rather than being pro-active and Jordon is certain that Southgate will look at these shortcomings and right them. I'm sure he won't leave it as long as he did to bring on subs and maybe change the shape when things aren't going too well. Jordon finished by saying that there's more right about him than wrong.

Personally, my feelings were along the same lines because the way he brought the individual players together to form a solid cohesive unit is invaluable. As mentioned before..putting on Grealish against Denmark and shortly afterwards taking him off to retain the one goal lead and have Grealish happily ..maybe not the right term..go along with it is testament to that. Those who didn't take part in some or even all of the games were very supportive of those who did. No teddies were thrown out of the pram. I'm optimistic about our progress to the World Cup next year but we won't get such an 'easy'..it's never 'easy'. though, run and in addition many games played at Wembley.

I don't agree with Mr Jordan or you and can't see us ever winning anything with Southgate in charge. Said it when he was appointed (probably on TP somewhere) and haven't seen anything to make me change my mind.

Just found my comments after the WC semi final defeat

No I don't think Southgate will ever lead us to victory, but he deserves at least the next Euros to see how it goes
Kane is not the right choice for captain, we need someone to motivate and organise preferably at the back or midfield.

We are very average and had the luck of an exceptionally helpful draw, nearly came a cropper sitting at 1-0 vs Columbia, against a better team we did pay the price.
Thankfully we seem to have at last found a decent goalkeeper, badly need a creative midfielder and a reliable centre back pairing.

Worse thing for me was it was so obvious things needed changing after half time, their wide players had so much time and space and we were overrun in midfield.
Nothing happened and the situation just worsened, we played exactly the same with players replaced like for like.

 

[cambsno]

pragmatic, says sensible things (aprt from the alleged Blitz comments ) not emotive, no extremes,no irritgations,no ego. His weakness is he's not brave, he's re-active rather than being pro-active and Jordon is certain that Southgate will look at these shortcomings and right them. I'm sure he won't leave it as long as he did to bring on subs and maybe change the shape when things aren't going too well. Jordon finished by saying that there's more right about him than wrong.

Southgate made this mistake in 2018 - he made the same mistake the other day - so has not leaned from his mistake!

 

[Jelster]

Since I haven’t seen very many it may be a wrong impression but they seem mostly to be aiming the ball low whereas, if accurate, it must stand a better chance of passing the ‘keeper by going high?

In theory, big goalkeepers (like the one in the Italian team) find it difficult to get down low. Going for the top corner is a great idea, but judging the height right is the problem. You could always go straight down the middle, hoping the keeper has gone one of another, but that's not what you want to be doing as the final penalty in a shoot out!

The two penalties saved were not hit hard enough or far enough away from the excellent Italian keeper who also won the "man of the tournament" award.

 

[Jelster]

Kane is not the right choice for captain, we need someone to motivate and organise preferably at the back or midfield.

I know I'm not a Kane fan, but he was pretty poor in this tournament. Not sure whether he's carrying an injury, but I don't like the way that Southgate is always "bigging him up". It's almost as if without him, the team will fall apart, but we've seen them win well while he has been away injured.

As for Southgate, I think he has built the best squad we have had for years. Get Grealish into the starting 11, we need his creativity, and we also need another reliable goal scorer. A few of the players have shone through, our defence mainly. John Stones has quietly got on with his job, Maquire has been solid, Walker is a revelation at his age, and Pickford has been pretty solid. Declan Rice and the young lad from Dortmund have been great in midfield to. We've just lacked a bit "up top". Sterling tries to do too much, and as I said, Kane's form looks poor.

 

[tijuana taxi]

I know I'm not a Kane fan, but he was pretty poor in this tournament. Not sure whether he's carrying an injury, but I don't like the way that Southgate is always "bigging him up". It's almost as if without him, the team will fall apart, but we've seen them win well while he has been away injured.

Kane often seems to be injured and/or ineffective in the latter stages of the season.
Unfortunately the time when most major tournaments are played (apart from the next one)

He also seems to be the one player that Southgate would never leave out even if it was the best plan.
Agree with you about the couldn't possibly cope without him when we definitely have

I don't think many people expected him to get any change out of the Italian centre backs.
Far too experienced and his lack of pace played into their hands, he can score goals, but too often has a stinker for England.

 

[Gremlin]

Thought you had another thread to discuss the game

The 20-21 season football thread

Why would you bet against your national team? Traitor..... :LOL: Peter Cook always bet against Spurs. If they won, he could drink to their success and if they lost, he could drink to winning a bet. Not sure what he did if there was a draw!!!

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Didn't realise the players were involved in the problems going on off the pitch ?

 

[woof woof]

I don't know if this has already been posted but I've just read some figures on abuse on social media.

Channel 4 News said of 850k tweets during Euro 2020 1,913 were flagged as potentially abusive, 167 described as containing high risk abuse with some social media abuse reportedly coming from overseas.

One racist / hateful post is too many and all should be investigated and punished proportionally but I bet there are a few politicians who receive 167 abusive posts per day.

One view I tend to agree with is that there's a possibly disproportionate degree of outrage in the media about social media abuse and too much extrapolation to Broken racist England and calls for England to be banned from hosting future competitions.

On Southgate, I don't think he was a rip roaring success at Middlesbrough and although that shouldn't disqualify him for the England or any other job I think that he lacks something. When the Italians began to dominate he did nothing when perhaps he should have changed things up with substitutions. Perhaps he needs less loyalty to those he sees as key players and more of a cutting edge and will to win even if that means upsetting a loyal player or 5.

PS.
Just read, League source tells Reuters 70% of player abuse coming from abroad.

 

[tijuana taxi]

Its not a big shock seeing the loutish behaviour of our fans.
Mirrors that of the unpleasant government currently in power who encourage extreme nationalistic attitudes.
Not exactly non racist either which only emboldens the mindless prats who often follow England.

Nasty divisive atmosphere prevalent in the country these days, everything has to be so polarised.
Lived through some demanding years, but lately it just downright stinks big time.

 

[LCPete]

Its not a big shock seeing the loutish behaviour of our fans.
Mirrors that of the unpleasant government currently in power who encourage extreme nationalistic attitudes.
Not exactly non racist either which only emboldens the mindless prats who often follow England.

Nasty divisive atmosphere prevalent in the country these days, everything has to be so polarised.
Lived through some demanding years, but lately it just downright stinks big time.

Yes I agree with you there our government should lead by example but they just encourage these idiots

 

[woof woof]

Its not a big shock seeing the loutish behaviour of our fans.
Mirrors that of the unpleasant government currently in power who encourage extreme nationalistic attitudes.
Not exactly non racist either which only emboldens the mindless prats who often follow England.

Nasty divisive atmosphere prevalent in the country these days, everything has to be so polarised.
Lived through some demanding years, but lately it just downright stinks big time.

It's still only a small percentage and IMO some of what I saw was at the handbags level and hardly justifying the moral outrage some sections of he media and social media are displaying.

Yes, any loutish behaviour is to be condemned and louts need to be appropriately dealt with but I'd argue that it's probably worth looking at the reasons why some commentators are (arguably) over reacting.

Yes I'd agree that there's a divisive atmosphere in some bubbles but you have to remember that social media is the minority and does not necessarily represent the wider UK or any wider country. Also I do have to point out that much of the divisiveness is coming from those who would describe themselves as being on the caring sharing side of politics.

 

[woof woof]

Yes I agree with you there our government should lead by example but they just encourage these idiots

Who in the govt has encouraged these idiots?

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

It's still only a small percentage and IMO some of what I saw was at the handbags level and hardly justifying the moral outrage some sections of he media and social media are displaying.

You must be seeing different videos to me if you think that.
Yes, it is a minority, but how would you feel if you were caught up in all that crap?
Look at the videos of Leicester Square....hardly handbags level.
A lot of them are too drunk to fight properly, but there were families there, and I'd imagine it would be pretty frightening for them.

 

[woof woof]

You must be seeing different videos to me if you think that.
Yes, it is a minority, but how would you feel if you were caught up in all that crap?
Look at the videos of Leicester Square....hardly handbags level.
A lot of them are too drunk to fight properly, but there were families there, and I'd imagine it would be pretty frightening for them.

That's pretty much my point and yes I have been caught up in that crap at times. More than once.

I'm just expressing an opinion and trying to put this in some context. Compared to a vicars tea party it looks bad but compared to your average Antifa mostly peaceful event in the USA or what's happening in SA or Cuba, which gains hardly any media traction, it's relatively tame stuff.

Do you think this warrants the IMO rather extreme reactions in the media/social media?

And to repeat. Any loutish behaviour and abuse needs to be appropriately addressed. I'm just arguing for some perspective and appropriate responses.

 

[LCPete]

Who in the govt has encouraged these idiots?

Nobody specific maybe I’m just overly sensitive but it’s the nationalistic us against Europe mentality that they have as Rich says it emboldens those idiots

 

[sphexx]

That's pretty much my point and yes I have been caught up in that crap at times. More than once.

I'm just expressing an opinion and trying to put this in some context. Compared to a vicars tea party it looks bad but compared to your average Antifa mostly peaceful event in the USA or what's happening in SA or Cuba, which gains hardly any media traction, it's relatively tame stuff.

Do you think this warrants the IMO rather extreme reactions in the media/social media?

And to repeat. Any loutish behaviour and abuse needs to be appropriately addressed. I'm just arguing for some perspective and appropriate responses.

In one of the clips 3/4 louts were kicking a man on the ground (think he’d been tripped up as he ran past and and were pushed off by security. Who knows where it would have ended otherwise?

 

[woof woof]

Nobody specific maybe I’m just overly sensitive but it’s the nationalistic us against Europe mentality that they have as Rich says it emboldens those idiots

Ah, so you've perhaps been swept up in the extreme narrative creating more needless division with no clear reason.

And whilst I'm on a rant about over reaction and race bating. On TV they've just been condemning booing of taking the knee. Some see the knee as being too closely linked to BLM which is an organisation with some pretty extreme aims and which includes some people who have expressed some deeply racist opinions. Holding hands against racism, group hugs against racism, forming a line and stepping forward against racism, all those could possibly be cheered rather than the arguably contention knee which is booed by some.

 

[woof woof]

In one of the clips 3/4 louts were kicking a man on the ground (think he’d been tripped up as he ran past and and were pushed off by security. Who knows where it would have ended otherwise?

So what are you saying?

Should England be banned from holding future competitions? Should alcohol be banned? Should the media give this the level of exposure they've been giving it in the last few days? Is this Broken Britain? Should the entire English nation hang it's head in shame?

Just for an example of a relative lack of media interest. I remember a convoy of cars and extremists calling for the rape of Jewish women. That was rather serious too and probably got 1/100 of the media traction, if that.

 

[LCPete]

Ah, so you've perhaps been swept up in the extreme narrative creating more needless division with no clear reason.

And whilst I'm on a rant about over reaction and race bating. On TV they've just been condemning booing of taking the knee. Some see the knee as being too closely linked to BLM which is an organisation with some pretty extreme aims and which includes some people who have expressed some deeply racist opinions. Holding hands against racism, group hugs against racism, forming a line and stepping forward against racism, all those could possible be cheered rather than the arguably contention knee which is booed by some.

Not really I’m maybe not so good at explaining how I feel but I haven’t been happy for a while the direction this country is going in since the whole Brexit thing started and the racism is just another part of the same thing

 

[sphexx]

So what are you saying?

You were saying the violence was only “hand bagging” and I’m countering that with an example that could have escalated to homicide .

 

[woof woof]

Not really I’m maybe not so good at explaining how I feel but I haven’t been happy for a while the direction this country is going in since the whole Brexit thing started and the racism is just another part of the same thing

That perhaps explains a lot not necessarily with you but some sections of the media as for them Brexit will forever be a massive mistake voted for by thick northern racists.

What I see is a mostly very tolerant country. I'm white so some would say unqualified to comment I suppose. I have / had immigrant friends and lovers and I'm married to one who's been exposed to zero racism in this country, most seem to be full of praise for the UK. Some people can appear to express racist views and I've talked to people about this and usually the "racism" isn't actual racism but concerns about medical appointments, jobs, schooling and the like which would be equally voiced if the immigrants were white and it's understandable as some areas have seen high levels of immigration which has affected the people living there. To this day the only white person I've met in the UK who I'd class as a genuine beyond the pale racist is a south African immigrant who was/is still maybe a vile individual. Talking to non British people in the UK and abroad I've met more people expressing "racist" views but in some cases it's because these views are widely held and expressed in their home countries. I just don't easily buy into the line that the UK is racist and that Brexit has made all this worse but I do see that line in the media, often. I can only speak for my own experiences, obviously.

You were saying the violence was only “hand bagging” and I’m countering that with an example that could have escalated to homicide .

I don't think I said the violence was only handbagging, If I did that wasn't my meaning rather think some of what I saw was. That's what I meant but I can't be bothered to go back and double check. Of course I'll happily condemn violence but I do think that the media are taking the racist and thuggish England line too far.

 

[cambsno]

You must be seeing different videos to me if you think that.
Yes, it is a minority, but how would you feel if you were caught up in all that crap?
Look at the videos of Leicester Square....hardly handbags level.
A lot of them are too drunk to fight properly, but there were families there, and I'd imagine it would be pretty frightening for them.

And these things happen at a number of large gatherings be it climate change, BLM, anti capitalist etc...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds - says that only 7% of BLM protests turn nasty. I would say thats easily the same as football, or even worse. I go to a number of Cambridge games home and away and the only times I have felt unsafe was walking into a pub in Luton which seemed to be occupied with EDL types (we had no colours on thankfully or coats over colours) - but going to other matches have only ever seen the odd nutter causing a scene (normally under the influence). I am sure there are stats somewhere but dont think this is much different to many of the protests we have seen in London with cars torched and shops looted.

As Alan says, people are getting too OTT over it.

 

[woof woof]

And these things happen at a number of large gatherings be it climate change, BLM, anti capitalist etc...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds - says that only 7% of BLM protests turn nasty. I would say thats easily the same as football, or even worse. I go to a number of Cambridge games home and away and the only times I have felt unsafe was walking into a pub in Luton which seemed to be occupied with EDL types (we had no colours on thankfully or coats over colours) - but going to other matches have only ever seen the odd nutter causing a scene (normally under the influence). I am sure there are stats somewhere but dont think this is much different to many of the protests we have seen in London with cars torched and shops looted.

As Alan says, people are getting too OTT over it.

I don't mind people going OTT and perhaps they should as violence and abuse should be appropriately highlighted and appropriately fought against and punished but I'd like to see equality and objectivity here and when some violence and abuse gets little traction in the media (and including social media) whilst other violence and abuse gets a lot of traction suspicious me begins to wonder if it's worth suspecting that there's bias and perhaps an agenda either with individual commentators or organisations or if it's endemic.

How many people will be stabbed in London next week? How many school kids will be groomed by gangs this year? But the media goes crazy over hundreds of tweets (and yes one is too many but lets have some consideration of scale and percentages) and a relatively small number of drunken idiots.

 

[Jelster]

Of the videos I've watched, I'd agree that most of them are too drunk to fight... At the Emirates Stadium (Arsenal's ground) alcohol is banned on European nights, but not at domestic games. I was a season ticket holder for 12 years and never once saw any fighting in the ground or in the street, even at games with Spurs & Chelsea. I have heard racist chants from Chelsea and some European fans though.

 

[woof woof]

My last post on this, I promise

Kick It Out reports that about 70% of abuse over the last 2 seasons came from overseas.

BBC reports that The Centre For Digital Hate found 105 Instagram accounts abusing England players after the final. 64 revealed locations, 5 were in the UK.

I don't know how reliable these institutions are (The BBC?) and for all I know I suppose it may be possible to disguise your location but I think it's possibly safe to say that a significant proportion of abuse is coming from outside the UK.

 

[cambsno]

So, Boris has said that people spouting racist abuse will be banned from football matches!

Big wow! Many of these people will not go so it really doesn't matter. Its a token gesture. The way forward is to make it as anti social as drink driving. Not only could you kill someone, you will not be able to drive for 3 years, have a big fine, possible prison and along with that the knock on effects like losing job, house, family etc... If typing out an offensive message could see you losing job/big fine, then surely that will help.

Also, I dont believe in punishing someone for the rest of their life for one, often drunken (no excuse) mistake - what sort of education will these people get. If they have this we could also fix the problem!

 

[Jelster]

So, Boris has said that people spouting racist abuse will be banned from football matches!

Big wow! Many of these people will not go so it really doesn't matter. Its a token gesture. The way forward is to make it as anti social as drink driving. Not only could you kill someone, you will not be able to drive for 3 years, have a big fine, possible prison and along with that the knock on effects like losing job, house, family etc... If typing out an offensive message could see you losing job/big fine, then surely that will help.

Also, I dont believe in punishing someone for the rest of their life for one, often drunken (no excuse) mistake - what sort of education will these people get. If they have this we could also fix the problem!

If anyone in my employ was found guilty of making racist comments, they would no longer have a job anyway, much like the radio presenter that said "Well the white players scored. Just Saying". He was dropped like a hot brick, and so he should have been too.

 

[tijuana taxi]

And these things happen at a number of large gatherings be it climate change, BLM, anti capitalist etc...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds - says that only 7% of BLM protests turn nasty. I would say thats easily the same as football, or even worse. I go to a number of Cambridge games home and away and the only times I have felt unsafe was walking into a pub in Luton which seemed to be occupied with EDL types (we had no colours on thankfully or coats over colours) - but going to other matches have only ever seen the odd nutter causing a scene (normally under the influence). I am sure there are stats somewhere but dont think this is much different to many of the protests we have seen in London with cars torched and shops looted.

As Alan says, people are getting too OTT over it.

What about the Cambridge fan who was left brain damaged and eventually died after being set upon at Southend?
Its not always just bit of a turn out and everyone goes back to the pub for an after punch up pint.

 

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The steward who related the moist of his experience on Sunday said he's often allocated to Millwall and Brighton stadiums where trouble is well documented and expectedf but there are measures in place.

Brighton?!