England football supporters again bring shame!

I fondly remember the fun time when we last played Italy in the Euro's, lost that game 0-1
First group game against Belgium in Turin was a real pleasure, tear gas and baton wielding police wading into the rioting England fans.
 
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sphexx said:
Sky News reports that the Telegraph says Southgate, 50, claimed he believed the 'Blitz spirit' was partially behind England's win against Germany earlier on in the tournament.


Euro 2020: Gareth Southgate evokes wartime spirit ahead of final urging England fans to be proud of 'an island our size'

http://news.sky.com/story/euro-2020...ns-to-be-proud-of-an-island-our-size-12352710

He doesn’t seem to be well up on English & U.K. history :(.
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What a moronic thing to say, never thought he was exactly the brightest light on the tree.
 
andya700 said:
Some examples of the "fans" behaviour. A combination of tribalism, drink, low intelligence and a need to be violent.

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www.thesun.co.uk

www.theguardian.com

20 held after Euro 2004 riots

Twenty England fans were in custody today after a second night of rioting on the Algarve in Portugal.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.theguardian.com

England fans clash with riot police in Porto - video

Portuguese police clashed with England fans in the centre of Porto on Wednesday after beer glasses were thrown in a fan zone set up for the Nations League finals
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.theweek.co.uk

Has Wembley chaos wrecked Britain and Ireland’s 2030 World Cup bid?

Boris Johnson remains confident of the joint bid despite the ‘scenes of mayhem’ at Euro 2020 final
www.theweek.co.uk www.theweek.co.uk
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But but but “it has little to do with football“
 
tijuana taxi said:
What a moronic thing to say, never thought he was exactly the brightest light on the tree.
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Maybe he was mis-reported but it seems unlikely :(.
 
tijuana taxi said:
What a moronic thing to say, never thought he was exactly the brightest light on the tree.
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I do wish we could get away from the urge to lynch people over every moronic thing they say. People are now trolling back how many years through peoples social media posts to find ammunition?

Hooliganism is indefensible but moronic things and jokes gone wrong or in bad taste are something that happen to the vast majority. Maybe we should try and view things in context, take intent into consideration and avoid the temptation to point the finger and condemn unless absolutely necessary.

And a PS.
He may not be the brightest light on the tree but he has a job millions across the world would give a vital organ for and doubtless a very health bank balance too. Think he's a happy dim bulb? Very possibly :D
 
woof woof said:
I do wish we could get away from the urge to lynch people over every moronic thing they say. People are now trolling back how many years through peoples social media posts to find ammunition?

Hooliganism is indefensible but moronic things and jokes gone wrong or in bad taste are something that happen to the vast majority. Maybe we should try and view things in context, take intent into consideration and avoid the temptation to point the finger and condemn unless absolutely necessary.

And a PS.
He may not be the brightest light on the tree but he has a job millions across the world would give a vital organ for and doubtless a very health bank balance too. Think he's a happy dim bulb? Very possibly :D
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Not sure about the last bit, it wasn't a very sought after job when they appointed him.
 
woof woof said:
I do wish we could get away from the urge to lynch people over every moronic thing they say. People are now trolling back how many years through peoples social media posts to find ammunition?
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I agree about that but the Southgate quote is what he is alleged to have said on Friday. I am slightly suspicious he may have been set up since it’s the Telegraph and I know some Conservative MPs are foaming at the mouth over him.
 
sphexx said:
I agree about that but the Southgate quote is what he is alleged to have said on Friday. I am slightly suspicious he may have been set up since it’s the Telegraph and I know some Conservative MPs are foaming at the mouth over him.
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Yeah I'd like to see the full interview and see in context what he actually said.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Not sure about the last bit, it wasn't a very sought after job when they appointed him.
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If the job had been posted in job centres and on line I wonder how many would have applied? I occasionally visit a football forum and there are some very knowledgeable people on it and doubtless on all the other forums too and I bet there are many knowledgeable fans, ex players and managers who'd eagerly take up the challenge if given the chance. That was my point.

And maybe you don't have to be an Einstein to have a good football brain or to be an effective manager.
 
Just hope he doesn't let his country down again or so went the song from many a football crowd

Maybe all those wonderful fans who now laud Mr Southgate forget how they wanted to lynch him after Euro 96
 
Feelings do seem to run high.
I was called unpatriotic by some while this thing was being discussed
on my local hub, because I said I won't be watching, and that was the 1/4 finals stage.
If I posted it again, now, I guess "they" would be looking to burn the heretic :D

So even at that base level, it no wonder that some so called fans start fights etc ...
 
sphexx said:
He doesn’t seem to be well up on English & U.K. history :(.
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It's a bit of a mystery to me how many "proud Anglo Saxons" claim to hate the Germans. Still, they always say that internal family disputes are the most vicious... :thinking:
 
It's tribal warfare ! Really ! This is England, their territory, trenches dug, no enemy permitted ! None ! Blah blah blah ◕︵◕

Sport should unite • love & friendship !

Kindergarten behaviour.




*This new format "review post prior to clicking" is so cool, thank you !
 
pukkagen said:
This new format "review post prior to clicking" is so cool, thank you !
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We always have had a preview button.
Now its just far more visible than before (y)
 
sphexx said:
Sky News reports that the Telegraph says Southgate, 50, claimed he believed the 'Blitz spirit' was partially behind England's win against Germany earlier on in the tournament.


Euro 2020: Gareth Southgate evokes wartime spirit ahead of final urging England fans to be proud of 'an island our size'

http://news.sky.com/story/euro-2020...ns-to-be-proud-of-an-island-our-size-12352710

He doesn’t seem to be well up on English & U.K. history :(.
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He said that ??:rolleyes: or should that be :eek: ? In which case he's gone down in my estimation. That was 1940...81 years ago ! If you mentioned the Blitz to the young members of the team they'd probably ask what it was.

I see he also said " “People tried to invade us, and we had the courage to hold it back and you can't hide that energy in the stadium against Germany .It was because of that. I never mentioned that to the players, but I know that's part of what the story was." How does he know that that ? I'd have thought Germany knocking us out of the Euro final in 1996 was more of a reason. No, he wouldn't mention it to the players because none of them were born when WW2 took place and at least the youngest wouldn't know what the Blitz was anyway.The average age of the England squad is 25. For Italy it's 27.

How utterly pathetic..Anyway, by appealing to that wartime spirit..which he did..he is, regarding tomorrow's final, in effect, saying the England team are going into this final with their backs to the wall. Playing the victim, in essence but obviously unaware that of 200 countries there are only 22 that we haven't invaded ourselves.

How about saying that we have the youngest squad in the tournament with ages ranging from Jude Bellingham, 18 years old to the old man,Kyle Walker at 31.:). An excellent combination of youth and experience all with a very high level of competence and skill and a strong desire to be successful this time round. We don't need the ghost of WW2 hanging over the stadium.

On the news at 6.30pm I saw a clip of an interview with Geoff Hurst who related some of his top career games. The only player to score a hatrick in a World Cup Final in that 4-2 win over Germany back in 1966.. Listening to it was Declan Rice and when asked what was motivating him Mason said ,having listened to Geoff Hurst that will motivate him. ie. Hurst's success. So..not the atmosphere inside Wembly motivated by the Blitz.our resistance to the Blitz.

By all accounts Southgate himself has motivated them well, moulded a cohesive team..club divisions (as was the case of old) gone, ensuring that those not in the starting line-up or subs feel part of it and non-selection for a game is not a reflection of his opinion of their competence and skill..it's tactical. At club level I expect Grealish would have thrown his teddy on the floor if he'd come on as a sub and then subbed as happened against Denmark but Southgate ensured that he knew what it was ..a tactical move to retain the 2-1 goal advantage after Kane scored the penalty . Grealish is anything but a defender...an attacking mid-fielder,I suppose. It worked and Grealish,by all accounts, understood that and accepted it with good grace. So, why did Southgate feel he had to invoke WW2 is beyond me. Sometimes ,when being interviewed people say things that, with hindsight, they wished they hadn't. Hopefully, that's the case with him.
 
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I think the worst part of that quote is that he thinks Egland is an island - bit of an insult to the Scot's and Welsh
 
JohnC6 said:
He said that ??:rolleyes: or should that be :eek: ? In which case he's gone down in my estimation. That was 1940...81 years ago ! If you mentioned the Blitz to the young members of the team they'd probably ask what it was.

I see he also said " “People tried to invade us, and we had the courage to hold it back and you can't hide that energy in the stadium against Germany .It was because of that. I never mentioned that to the players, but I know that's part of what the story was." How does he know that that ? I'd have thought Germany knocking us out of the Euro final in 1996 was more of a reason. No, he wouldn't mention it to the players because none of them were born when WW2 took place and at least the youngest wouldn't know what the Blitz was anyway.The average age of the England squad is 25. For Italy it's 27.

How utterly pathetic..Anyway, by appealing to that wartime spirit..which he did..he is, regarding tomorrow's final, in effect, saying the England team are going into this final with their backs to the wall. Playing the victim, in essence but obviously unaware that of 200 countries there are only 22 that we haven't invaded ourselves.

How about saying that we have the youngest squad in the tournament with ages ranging from Jude Bellingham, 18 years old to the old man,Kyle Walker at 31.:). An excellent combination of youth and experience all with a very high level of competence and skill and a strong desire to be successful this time round. We don't need the ghost of WW2 hanging over the stadium.

On the news at 6.30pm I saw a clip of an interview with Geoff Hurst who related some of his top career games. The only player to score a hatrick in a World Cup Final in that 4-2 win over Germany back in 1966.. Listening to it was Mason Mount and when asked what was motivating him Mason said ,having listened to Geoff Hurst that will motivate him. ie. Hurst's success. So..not the atmosphere inside Wembly motivated by the Blitz.our resistance to the Blitz.

By all accounts Southgate himself has motivated them well, moulded a cohesive team..club divisions (as was the case of old) gone, ensuring that those not in the starting line-up or subs feel part of it and non-selection for a game is not a reflection of his opinion of their competence and skill..it's tactical. At club level I expect Grealish would have thrown his teddy on the floor if he'd come on as a sub and then subbed as happened against Denmark but Southgate ensured that he knew what it was ..a tactical move to retain the 2-1 goal advantage after Kane scored the penalty . Grealish is anything but a defender...an attacking mid-fielder,I suppose. It worked and Grealish,by all accounts, understood that and accepted it with good grace. So, why did Southgate feel he had to invoke WW2 is beyond me. Sometimes ,when being interviewed people say things that, with hindsight, they wished they hadn't. Hopefully, that's the case with him.
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I know absolutely nothing about football, but several commenters seem to think Southgate, while a successful manager etc, isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and as I hinted earlier it may be that he was led into those remarks by the Telegraph journalists -- fairly easy to do bu leading questions and so on :(.
 
sphexx said:
I know absolutely nothing about football, but several commenters seem to think Southgate, while a successful manager etc, isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and as I hinted earlier it may be that he was led into those remarks by the Telegraph journalists -- fairly easy to do bu leading questions and so on :(.
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There was a caller to 5 Live on either yesterday or Friday and he wasn't too complemenary about Southgate when Southgate was manager of Middlesborough but that was a good while ago..2006-2009. He then became manger of the England U21. You have to have your wits about you when being interviewed, You won't be impressed then if,as suggestions are doing rounds,that if we win this evening it will be Sir Gareth. Lol. I think they'd wait toisee what happens next year in Qatar,if we win the World Cup then maybe that will happen.
 
JohnC6 said:
You won't be impressed then if,as suggestions are doing rounds,that if we win this evening it will be Sir Gareth
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Crossed my mind too though I thought Boris’ll put him in the Lords and make him Minister for Sport :(
 
stryvya said:
So why not watch a game of Rugby and see how players Respect the Ref and each other??
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A different ball game..literally :).

Agree. I don't think too much of the FA. They brought in rules in 2016 amongst them that crowding of the ref. but it still goes on. It irks me when I see a ref trotting backwards to get away from players who are, basically, mobbing him because they aren't happy with a decision.Dissent towards the ref was another rule introduced but that still goes on. We still see that dismissive wave of the hand and a scowl as a player walks away having had a yellow card or even just had a decision go against him. There have been occasions when I've seen dissent directed at a ref result in a yellow card but most times it's when a player who has had a free kick awarded against him kicks the ball away. They should also be stopped from gathering round the ref as he's awaiting a decision from the VAR operators, too.

Here are the 2016 rules It's all covered here but ,in the main, just doesn't seem to be enforced..https://en.as.com/en/2016/07/20/football/1469040935_320684.html

In rugby, apart from tradition of respect for the ref they have a rule about respect. Rule 10.4 states.. All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions. It used to be thought that it was because rugby was the game of the elite..ie taught at private schools, that the players were from middle class backgrounds and better educated than their footballing cousins but now it's played across all sections of society and that respect remains in place.

Here's another of their rules which addresses harassment after a decision.

Marching Backwards.​

When players are penalized, the penalty is given to the opposition at the place where the infringement occurred.

If the offending player (or anyone on the team) talks back to the referee or shows any sign of disrespect, their situation may get worse. The referee can move the point of the penalty forward by ten yards.

If a player or players continue to protest then another forward advanatage goes to the opposotion.

There are some footballers who,having had a decision go against them just walk away. It was something I noticed about Rashford when he first came on the scene. I don't think a reasonable gesture of appeal is too bad..ie hands outstretched.

Maybe the football world could do with more refs like this one who I loved to watch.. :) https://www.sportbible.com/football...greatest-referee-in-football-history-20210213
 
sphexx said:
Crossed my mind too though I thought Boris’ll put him in the Lords and make him Minister for Sport :(
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He he has an OBE, Richard...(2019) He got it for getting us to the 2018 semi-finals of the World Cup in Russia which we lost to Croatia in extra time .It ended 2-1. So, in effect he got an OBE for failure :D
 
sphexx said:
Sky News reports that the Telegraph says Southgate, 50, claimed he believed the 'Blitz spirit' was partially behind England's win against Germany earlier on in the tournament.


Euro 2020: Gareth Southgate evokes wartime spirit ahead of final urging England fans to be proud of 'an island our size'

http://news.sky.com/story/euro-2020...ns-to-be-proud-of-an-island-our-size-12352710

He doesn’t seem to be well up on English & U.K. history :(.
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It always surprises me when great teams come out of (relatively) small countries. I mean. look at Belgium, probably number 1 in the world currently, and the pot they have to pick from must be quite small compared to say Italy or Germany.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Just hope he doesn't let his country down again or so went the song from many a football crowd

Maybe all those wonderful fans who now laud Mr Southgate forget how they wanted to lynch him after Euro 96
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Even if we fail to beat Italy today, he won't have let us down. He's pulled this team around from the one that lost to Iceland... I don't think I've ever seen a togerness like the current squad display. No prima donnas, just guys out there to do their jobs. Yes they get well paid, but most of them would play for their country for nothing. You really are a glass half empty guy aren't you? Get behind your country, this doesn't happen very often.
 
Jelster said:
Even if we fail to beat Italy today, he won't have let us down. He's pulled this team around from the one that lost to Iceland... I don't think I've ever seen a togerness like the current squad display. No prima donnas, just guys out there to do their jobs. Yes they get well paid, but most of them would play for their country for nothing. You really are a glass half empty guy aren't you? Get behind your country, this doesn't happen very often.
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Didn't say that was my view of Mr Southgate, just saying he wasn't always so well liked by football supporters.
I have watched England and all their failures from 1970 and better to be surprised by success than disappointed again.

Not everyone is nationalistic and I just see it as somewhere I was born, not like I got a choice.
Pleased to see the most entertaining team win whoever that may be, it is only just a game,
 
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