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I spotted this and I read it with a combination of annoyance, despair and sheer disbelief that such behaviour still goes on.

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Euro 2020: Danish family attacked by England fans

A nine-year-old boy was forced to flee after his father was punched in the stomach by England fans.
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The game may(?) be beautiful but oh how ugly is some behaviour surrounding it :(
 
Box Brownie said:
I spotted this and I read it with a combination of annoyance, despair and sheer disbelief that such behaviour still goes on.

www.bbc.co.uk

Euro 2020: Danish family attacked by England fans

A nine-year-old boy was forced to flee after his father was punched in the stomach by England fans.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The game may(?) be beautiful but oh how ugly is some behaviour surrounding it :(
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It is not unique to England fans. Happens in other countries too.
 
cambsno said:
It is not unique to England fans. Happens in other countries too.
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I've watched England abroad and it's not a pleasure. I remember the fun that is tear gas and confrontations with riot police. That was back in the early 80's when it was much worse, some real scum folĺow our national team.

Too much nationalistic crap being stirred up by the media and politicians doesn't help.
 
cambsno said:
It is not unique to England fans. Happens in other countries too.
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Yes, over the years there have reported such violence across the globe!

But IMO it abhorrent and unforgivable. It should always be called out for what it is... thuggery and those who perpetrated the violence brought to justice! As for the mob who were involved, that should be acted on.

PS reading the article someone who knew nothing of the match result would have thought that England lost, not won. Not that the opposite outcome would have been any excuse to do what they did!!!
 
Just to put a bit of distance between my post above.

It's worth making sure you hear Italy's national anthem . It must be one of the best..alongside the Welsh anthem which I love to hear, too. The Italian anthem sounds like something from an opera.
 
cambsno said:
It is not unique to England fans. Happens in other countries too.
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So, is it unique to football then (I honestly have no idea), in which case let’s ban it, there’d be no loss as far as I’m concerned ;).
 
Box Brownie said:
I spotted this and I read it with a combination of annoyance, despair and sheer disbelief that such behaviour still goes on.

www.bbc.co.uk

Euro 2020: Danish family attacked by England fans

A nine-year-old boy was forced to flee after his father was punched in the stomach by England fans.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The game may(?) be beautiful but oh how ugly is some behaviour surrounding it :(
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I take such incidents seriously from the point of view of international friendship and maybe I'm a bit OTT when I suggest this but when Sunday is out of the way I think someone from the FA should contact the family. Get Harry Kane to give them a tour of St Georges Academy or Wembly and give the young lad an England shirt.....anything !
 
Box Brownie said:
Yes, over the years there have reported such violence across the globe!

But IMO it abhorrent and unforgivable. It should always be called out for what it is... thuggery and those who perpetrated the violence brought to justice! As for the mob who were involved, that should be acted on.

PS reading the article someone who knew nothing of the match result would have thought that England lost, not won. Not that the opposite outcome would have been any excuse to do what they did!!!
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Agree - it is but it has little to do with football. These people would do this sort of thing for looking at you the wrong way, being the 'wrong colour' or a multitude of other reasons. Isolated incidents should not bring shame on the majority of football fans. Us togs should know what thats like with the Mumsnet mob thinking that everyone in a park with a camera is a nonce!
 
I have not watched football since the Heysel Stadium disaster. My feelings then were, if this is football, I want nothing to do with it. Last week I watched the final part of Eamonn McCabe's series on the history of photography and he covered this event which was the worst day of his career. The programme was also a sharp reminder that I was also affected by the disaster.

A while ago I took my son-in-law to a local premiership Rugby game (he lives up North and is a Sheffield United fan). My son-in-law was amazed to find supporters from each team interspersed. Also they were allowed to buy and drink beer throughout the match (OK plastic mugs). It was all very good natured with fans from the different clubs chatting on the way out. He could only wish that football was like this.

Dave
 
I'm reminded of an England vs South Africa Test Match where rival fans were trying to outsing each other.

Football does seem to attract more of the f***wits than other sports.
 
Dave Canon said:
I have not watched football since the Heysel Stadium disaster. My feelings then were, if this is football, I want nothing to do with it. Last week I watched the final part of Eamonn McCabe's series on the history of photography and he covered this event which was the worst day of his career. The programme was also a sharp reminder that I was also affected by the disaster.

A while ago I took my son-in-law to a local premiership Rugby game (he lives up North and is a Sheffield United fan). My son-in-law was amazed to find supporters from each team interspersed. Also they were allowed to buy and drink beer throughout the match (OK plastic mugs). It was all very good natured with fans from the different clubs chatting on the way out. He could only wish that football was like this.

Dave
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Reminds me of when I was in Oz and it was the annual rugby Bledisloe Cup at the MCG. All Black fans interspersed with Aussie fans. Great atmosphere and super friendly with lots of ribbing,

Scotland fans are very often voted the most friendly. Is it because we know we aren't going to get much further in the competition or is it because we recognise it IS just a game and we love the game but we don't put it before our love of being part of something bigger.

Of course, the national sport of supporting ATBE (any team but England) is in of itself a wonderous thing and goes back to my first comment. English fans just cannot take the ribbing in general (and all of this is a generalisation) so when Scotland fans say they are supporting Italy it generally means we actually don't care who wins but there is significant fun in winding up the English. Given we never make finals, this has become our national sport and we are bloody good at it :p
 
cambsno said:
Agree - it is but it has little to do with football. These people would do this sort of thing for looking at you the wrong way, being the 'wrong colour' or a multitude of other reasons. Isolated incidents should not bring shame on the majority of football fans. Us togs should know what thats like with the Mumsnet mob thinking that everyone in a park with a camera is a nonce!
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I think you are conflating the misunderstood & misguided attitudes of Mumsnet brigade towards camera users and the non to lack of condemnation of a significant minority who stain and usurp genuine supporters groups.

It seems to have become, within some of the football supporting community, acceptable to not condemn the hooligans and indirectly come across as condoning that level of behaviour.

If in the case of the mob that attacked that bus, was it really only a handful that acted violently......if so.......just what were the rest doing about defusing the situation and doing their best to make sure that the violent contingent did not take over?
 
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Box Brownie said:
It seems to have become, within some of the football supporting community, acceptable to not condemn the hooligans and indirectly come across as condoning that level of behaviour.
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Just like commenting on the story “It is not unique to England fans. Happens in other countries too.”.
 
I was at New Cross in the late 70's when for whatever reason fans from four London teams made their way home at the same station.
Mayhem which resulted in a death and animosity which still exists today.
It's senseless violence fuelled by drink, drugs and bravado. Ended up being questioned that night along with many others at London Bridge as we made our way home.
Just went to a football match, unlike one poor sod got to go home afterwards.
 
When Wembley was being rebuild I took my wife & son to the Charity Shield game in Cardiff, Arsenal Vs Liverpool. We got there early and found somewhere to get a cooked brekkie, sitting outside, there were Liverpool & Arsenal supporters spread around the tables, and we invited a couple of guys to share our table as it was so busy.

A little bit of banter, and a "good luck, you'll need it" type of good bye. Not a hint of trouble. North Vs South, and all that. It was great to see.

I can't stand the knobs that bring the violence into football, most of it is driven by some archaic tribal rivalry, fuelled by alcohol and drugs. It isn't necessary, but I've had stand up arguments with people at the Emirates stadium, who smoke and repeatedly stand. They don't give a toss about anybody, they'll do what they want to do and everyone else has to suffer....
 
Box Brownie said:
I spotted this and I read it with a combination of annoyance, despair and sheer disbelief that such behaviour still goes on.

www.bbc.co.uk

Euro 2020: Danish family attacked by England fans

A nine-year-old boy was forced to flee after his father was punched in the stomach by England fans.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The game may(?) be beautiful but oh how ugly is some behaviour surrounding it :(
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Yes, believe it or not there are still thugs on the streets.
 
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NeilA1975 said:
No it isn't & he didn't say it was either so why do you assume he think's it's OK then?
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See below....
Box Brownie said:
It seems to have become, within some of the football supporting community, acceptable to not condemn the hooligans and indirectly come across as condoning that level of behaviour.
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Violence is wrong..

Booing the opposition National anthem? haha I even do that at home... But only for football.. any other occasion I would stand and be quiet.. You boo the national anthem for the same reason you insult the opposition fans and players with chants designed to do just that... They know.. We know.. It's not a new thing.. Not saying that makes it right but some people seem to think its a new trend so ..juts saying ..

The flip side is... I guarantee thousands of people in wembley if not the majority are not royalists and probably dont agree with having a queen.. But they belt out the national anthem with gusto.. Why ? Understand the above and you will get it :)

Violence is wrong..
 
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I have watched England play abroad and felt ashamed to be English.
So called fans wrapped in an English flag swigging vodka with just a passport and a few quid in their shoes.
Seen them abuse passers by, s*** in the street and in one case sat on someone's garden wall in Luxemburg.
Would have liked to see some of these places, have a peaceful beer and talk to the locals, but it was never possible.

Gave up going in the end after seeing families scared as so called fans ransacked a ferry from Harwich.
Looted the duty free and some of the crew locked themselves in to avoid the violence.
Doesn't help firing the idiots up with all this nationalistic nonsense, some still seem to think we are at war.
Middle aged men dressed as Crusaders with inflatable Spitfires singing Ten German Bombers, pathetic

Just an excuse for drunken violence, even smashed our own country up during Euro 96.
Agro in usually quiet country towns, dread to think what will happen should England lose on Sunday.
Idiots have been wound right up this time, media and politicians have got it to fever pitch
 
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So sad we are a Country that has morons and thugs following our national team. I have been involved in football for almost sixty years and it has never changed and
until we punish those responsible it never will.
 
LCPete said:
Yes I’m an Englishman living in Wales, we went to a welsh pub to watch a Wales , England rugby game on telly and felt completely safe just light hearted banter
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I’m a South African living in Wales. Nothing like sitting in a Welsh pub with just my son and I dressed in green screaming BOKKE, having a few drinks after the game and walking home safely.
 
and there was also this

or use a lazer pointer to try to blind Schmeichel when Kane took the penalty

www.bbc.co.uk

Euro 2020: England charged by Uefa after 'laser' penalty incident

Uefa charges England after a laser pointer is directed at Denmark goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel during Wednesday's Euro 2020 semi-final.
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tijuana taxi said:
Often the same people who made monkey noises at Black players
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I may have told this one before. Back in the 80s, a colleague who supported Chelsea took a group of us to Stamford Bridge to watch them play Leicester City. Bob Hazell played for Leicester and, as he was black, every time he touched the ball, Chelsea fans (not including my colleague) made monkey noises. It was the single most intimidating thing I've ever experienced!
 
Last weekend I watched the Rugby match England v USA. A black gentleman sang the Star Spangled Banner for the USA. I am sure that you know it is one of the most difficult anthems to sing covering an octave and a half. I am no singer myself but felt that the singer had done an excellent job with no backing music. He received enormous applause from the Twickenham stadium with mainly England fans. Like me, they had recognised the skill of the singer. This did not detract from the fans supporting England during the match.

Dave
 
Some examples of the "fans" behaviour. A combination of tribalism, drink, low intelligence and a need to be violent.

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www.thesun.co.uk

www.theguardian.com

20 held after Euro 2004 riots

Twenty England fans were in custody today after a second night of rioting on the Algarve in Portugal.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.theguardian.com

England fans clash with riot police in Porto - video

Portuguese police clashed with England fans in the centre of Porto on Wednesday after beer glasses were thrown in a fan zone set up for the Nations League finals
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.theweek.co.uk

Has Wembley chaos wrecked Britain and Ireland’s 2030 World Cup bid?

Boris Johnson remains confident of the joint bid despite the ‘scenes of mayhem’ at Euro 2020 final
www.theweek.co.uk www.theweek.co.uk
 
Sky News reports that the Telegraph says Southgate, 50, claimed he believed the 'Blitz spirit' was partially behind England's win against Germany earlier on in the tournament.


Euro 2020: Gareth Southgate evokes wartime spirit ahead of final urging England fans to be proud of 'an island our size'

http://news.sky.com/story/euro-2020...ns-to-be-proud-of-an-island-our-size-12352710

He doesn’t seem to be well up on English & U.K. history :(.
 
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