To be fair, last night's game was only 0-0 thanks to Serbia's drunken fans...they must've been steaming last night.
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England 4-0 Bulgaria - still want capello out?
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To be fair, last night's game was only 0-0 thanks to Serbia's drunken fans...they must've been steaming last night.
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so it was, I hadn't even seen that till now. After drawing 0-0 against NI you wouldn't have fancied italy for that though.
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Well, I don't recall too much composure, composed possession, ball retention or the creation of that many chances, and what happened when plan A failed of 2 wingers and a lump upfront to bang it on his head to, oh yes Mr Capello went to Plan B and changed it to erm, oh yeah a different winger and lump upfront to bang it on his head to... Only they couldn't cos the left footer was playing on the right and the right footer was playing on the left, and even when they got to the byline they couldn't get a decent ball back across cos they were using they're wrong foot. Did Mr Capello think to even suggest swapping over for a few minutes to see if this would unsettle the opposition, you bet he did, sorry didn't... Yep, master tactician at work last night right there.
Where are Montenegro ranked 35th, 40th and we can't overcome a team like that? Sorry Joe, I admire your loyalty to Capello but he's not taking us anywhere near glory at present with his tactics or his thinking when we can't turn teams over like that. Good teams may have off nights, but they can find the goal that's needed, they can grind out the win that's required, sadly under Capello England can't and most likely never will do.
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Italy have lost it worse than England or France...
I would have fancied Serbia for that one, which means they must have even sorer heads this morning having potentially chucked 2 pts away.
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Well, as well written as this post was I pretty much disagree with all of it
thats the beauty of the game I suppose it's one for the great debates!
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Does Capello really know what he is doing?
He picks Bothroyd for the France game and drops Davies who looked fine in his appearance last time and is having a good season!!! What was the point of picking him last time.
He also only puts Cahill in as a result of injuries when he should have been there all along??? And why Barry is still there is beyond me? Kevin Nolan has been very good for years. Why Richards or Smalling. Hate to say it but Phil Neville has been very good of late. Jarvis at Wolves has been playing well too. Appreciate he has injury issues, but why is he avoiding many of the form players?
He picks Bothroyd for the France game and drops Davies who looked fine in his appearance last time and is having a good season!!! What was the point of picking him last time.
He also only puts Cahill in as a result of injuries when he should have been there all along??? And why Barry is still there is beyond me? Kevin Nolan has been very good for years. Why Richards or Smalling. Hate to say it but Phil Neville has been very good of late. Jarvis at Wolves has been playing well too. Appreciate he has injury issues, but why is he avoiding many of the form players?
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Its always been the same with England
I can vouch for Nolan being fantastic this season as with Andy Carroll, Carroll deserving his chance IMO but Nolan I think may struggle with it now, would love to be proven wrong though
Phil Neville as you say has been overlooked for years, been one of the more consistent players (Take out his nasty injury) in recent years
there has to come a point when managers change and pick players based on form, it would be better for England if that was the case, how many people have said over the years Lampard and Gerrard can't play together in the middle? how many managers try it saying they will get it to work? they maybe big players for there teams but they can't play together, proven and shown by the last 3/4/5 managers
I can vouch for Nolan being fantastic this season as with Andy Carroll, Carroll deserving his chance IMO but Nolan I think may struggle with it now, would love to be proven wrong though
Phil Neville as you say has been overlooked for years, been one of the more consistent players (Take out his nasty injury) in recent years
there has to come a point when managers change and pick players based on form, it would be better for England if that was the case, how many people have said over the years Lampard and Gerrard can't play together in the middle? how many managers try it saying they will get it to work? they maybe big players for there teams but they can't play together, proven and shown by the last 3/4/5 managers
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doesn't matter how well davies is playing, he's hardly the future of england is he, this is just a friendly to try out some more young players to see how they do. Bothroyd has scored 15 goals already this season so surprised to hear you wondering why he's been picked
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Didn't Phil Neville retire from International football ?? (I may be wrong of course).
I've never been a big fan of Lampard in an England shirt either. If I had to pick one of then Gerrard would always first.
The problem with being the England Manager is that you never have your team for long enough to work out what the best starting XI is, and we also play far too much football in this Country. Most of the other European leagues have 16 sides, not 20, and for the most part, only 25% of them are any good. Here the teams play hard games every week, and many of the top teams have few English players in the first team. - I can't believe there's 3 Arsenal players in that squad, must be the first time for years !!
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I've never been a big fan of Lampard in an England shirt either. If I had to pick one of then Gerrard would always first.
The problem with being the England Manager is that you never have your team for long enough to work out what the best starting XI is, and we also play far too much football in this Country. Most of the other European leagues have 16 sides, not 20, and for the most part, only 25% of them are any good. Here the teams play hard games every week, and many of the top teams have few English players in the first team. - I can't believe there's 3 Arsenal players in that squad, must be the first time for years !!
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I dunno why he was picked, I think there was a lack of strikers available and he had shown a very good start to the season, now that the season has moved on a bit others that have more potential long term are showing their colours?
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Right now, we are playing the poorest I think I have seen.
The second half will tell a lot about capello, the team he has picked so far are not working. His choices need to make a difference and he needs to choose wisely or we are losing this 3 or 4 nil
The second half will tell a lot about capello, the team he has picked so far are not working. His choices need to make a difference and he needs to choose wisely or we are losing this 3 or 4 nil
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Sorry but do expect any different Capello is useless and his ability to speak no more than pidgen English means he will never succeed with England,he must go asap and Harry must come in as he should have done 2 years ago.
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the current crop of england players are just not as good as players from other teams. simple.
dont expect another coach to come in and all of a sudden we'll be world class. its going to take a lot more than that, a lot more
dont expect another coach to come in and all of a sudden we'll be world class. its going to take a lot more than that, a lot more
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I don't expect World Class but competent would be nice,oh and playing players in their natural positions (Milner is not a left winger)
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why watch football when there is formula1?
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a car going round and round and round a circuit 47 times?
i think i'd rather watch a decent team thrash england to be honest, at least someone will be playing some decent football
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looks like watching him for a half has made capello agree with that, he's now inside and young is on the wing. we'll see if that makes any difference
hmm, or is he on the right now and gerrard tucked back, either way, he aint on the left anymore
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Maybe, when you compare to Spain or Holland... but no-one could argue our players are worse than USA, Algeria or Slovakia, yet we couldnt beat 2 of them in the World Cup.
France did worse than us in WC, yet look loads better than us now (hint: they replaced their muppet of a manager). I would not say they are any better than us player for player wise. Only Carroll has looked any good tonight, and he has had naff all service.
As I speak we are now 2-0 down. French look to be playing as a team and that is down to the manager.
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the starting 11 in the french team are very different to the team who sucked in the world cup, plus there was a lot of unrest in the camp under that manager. that isn't the case in our camp.
our team is just weak, carroll and gerrard are the only two who have put in a performance tonight. the team has been weak on tactics but also individual play has been weak.
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sudely you know why he took him off?
slight injury, newcastle have expressed concern, they need him fit for the weekend and this is a friendly. thats one decision you cant pin on capello.
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And the likes of Rio and Barry will be back again next game as if nothing has happened! I know we have injuries but the players do not seem to give a monkeys, something that comes from the manager. I dont think that on paper the French are that much stronger, and in any case, when did that matter? Blackpool last season were rubbish on paper and got promoted!!
I know we have injuries, but no callup for Nolan and Barton who have done great for Newcastle, Parker who has done great for West Ham, or Davies, or Cahill (made bench at last minute) or P Neville, to name but a few...
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If thats the case I stand corrected!
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well you can harldy say the youngsters, apart from carroll, have done much better than the old timers either. all round it's been weak.
and now stevie is injured, brilliant. just what liverpool needed
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who needs youngsters when we have crouchy eh
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So how many games this year have we been able to say that? Far too many... surely you have to admit Capello is not up to the job
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If I thought that someone else coming in would make a big difference I would agree but I think it would be the same result whoever is in at the moment, we just don't currently have what it takes.
Agreed, our players do not have as much skill, and they seem to lack the natural ability and vision, which was obvious in players like Nasri, Benzama, Sanya and others.
We still cannot pass fluently, so our build up play takes to long to achieve anything. We also used the long ball too many times, which is basically just a 50/50.
This is not down to the manager, it is down to the resources, the raw materials.
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What is down to the manager is
Playing a centre half at right back
Playing an attacking midfielder in Jordan Henderson in a holding role
Playing a right winger on the left and a left winger on the right
Playing Gerard as a striker
Not reciognising that Barry is not an international player
But what really hacks me off is the pundits saying that we need Lampard and Terry back as if they have not proved time and time again that they are failures at England level
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Not sure where you got the playing gerrard as a striker from, gerrard the scouse bloke with the flat hair do and the frown, the guy with the pony tail was andy carroll. Gerrard was playing off carroll just like he does week in week out behind torres for liverpool and he plays very well there.
The others, well jury is out, If you asked adam johnson if he wanted play on the left he'd say no thanks. He suits the right and thats where he mostly plays. Positions being right or wrong I don't think those were the reasons we didn't beat France.
We haven't beaten them for 15 years, so it's not like other managers have had the right solution. France are a better team than us individually, simple as that.
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agree, Gerrard was played in his best position just off the striker, from what I seen there wasn't alot of service to Carroll however to allow Gerrard to feed from him
I also agree with left footed player on right and right footed on the left, I think it "can" be a good idea, Johnson plays well there and Young does well for Villa down the left, ideally we need left footed player on the left and right on the right to give the likes of Carroll the service he loves
I also agree with left footed player on right and right footed on the left, I think it "can" be a good idea, Johnson plays well there and Young does well for Villa down the left, ideally we need left footed player on the left and right on the right to give the likes of Carroll the service he loves
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Gerard was to my mind in the first half almost playing on Carroll's shouldcer he is at his best and most influential playing playing 10-15 yards deeper as he did in the second half
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He did play very well in the second half, but I would say only the last 20 mins when he actually got a bit further up the field like you say 10-15 yards deeper than carroll.
At the start of the first half he was very deep, too deep almost because france had been bossing the midfield and they needed him in there to control the play a bit more.
Quite honestly, thats why you need a gerrard and a holding midfielder in the team, so gerrard can play off the striker and someone of his quality can stay back and boss it. Who is that person though?
It's supposed to be gareth barry, it's where people put lamps, but doesn't always work. Paul scholes would do it if he were in the team, and really someone like hargreaves or carrick should be that person as well but carrick never seems like he can pull that off and well, hargreaves we all know why he's not in the team.
I would like to see Jay Spearing get a call up because with some experience over the years I think he could play that role very well.
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olding midfielders in form try Kevin Nolan or Scott Parker both streets ahead of Barry
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Couple of things from last night:
Lack of movement - People failing to show or move into space so that they are either available or more importantly, can mount an attack.
Poor left midfield play - A number of people forget that part of a midfielders role is to support the defence, how many times did Gibbs get caught 2 against 1 because the midfield had gone missing.
Theo Walcott is in great form, but he needs the ball payed in front of him to run on to - in fact giving him the ball at all would be useful.... I think I can remember him playing through the middle & scoring a hat trick for England
Barry is just not up to the task, and honestly, I think Ferdinand is highly over rated.
We would do better if more of our players were employed by European clubs. If you look at most of the European International sides the players ply their trade in a number of countries - The Premier League is great, but England are too one dimensional....
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Lack of movement - People failing to show or move into space so that they are either available or more importantly, can mount an attack.
Poor left midfield play - A number of people forget that part of a midfielders role is to support the defence, how many times did Gibbs get caught 2 against 1 because the midfield had gone missing.
Theo Walcott is in great form, but he needs the ball payed in front of him to run on to - in fact giving him the ball at all would be useful.... I think I can remember him playing through the middle & scoring a hat trick for England
Barry is just not up to the task, and honestly, I think Ferdinand is highly over rated.
We would do better if more of our players were employed by European clubs. If you look at most of the European International sides the players ply their trade in a number of countries - The Premier League is great, but England are too one dimensional....
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But football is not down to just that, if it was just down to the players skill Greece would not have won Euro Championship for example. Look at Sunderland v Chelsea at the weekend? Ok, 1 off games are just that, but if you were to disect each premier team of last season would they have finished in order of skill? Blackpool had one of the 'worst' teams in the Campionship, yet won promotion and that has to be down to the manager picking the right players, playing the right formation and tactics and motivation. Look at managers like Jose, everything he touches seems to turn to gold - Porto, Chelsea, Inter, and Madrid (early days there).