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I see a lot of people dismiss Elinchrom in this board and I wondered what people's reasons for this are?

I'm looking at setting up a home studio for portraits and I'm really limited as to what brands I can buy out here. Profoto and Broncolor are available, but beyond that the main (affordable) brand is Elinchrom.

Any reason to dodge them?

Thanks
 
Elinchrom, much like Bowens are popular mainly down to their reputation built up during the film day when they were the standard. Today there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of their kit however, nothing really innovate or exciting about it either. They have taken up the difficult middle ground in the lighting market I suppose, in a position where there is always someone cheaper offering the same spec, then above them they don't offer the latest spec/technology, reliability, support, availability of vast modifier range of the expensive big boys (Broncolor and Profoto).

If the price point and specs suit you, I wouldn't worry too much about the brand.
 
Elinchrom, much like Bowens are popular mainly down to their reputation built up during the film day when they were the standard. Today there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of their kit however, nothing really innovate or exciting about it either. They have taken up the difficult middle ground in the lighting market I suppose, in a position where there is always someone cheaper offering the same spec, then above them they don't offer the latest spec/technology, reliability, support, availability of vast modifier range of the expensive big boys (Broncolor and Profoto).

If the price point and specs suit you, I wouldn't worry too much about the brand.

Thanks Gaz, very helpful response.
 
I see a lot of people dismiss Elinchrom in this board and I wondered what people's reasons for this are?

I'm looking at setting up a home studio for portraits and I'm really limited as to what brands I can buy out here. Profoto and Broncolor are available, but beyond that the main (affordable) brand is Elinchrom.

Any reason to dodge them?

Thanks

I disagree that Elinchrom gets dimissed on here. Rather the opposite I would say - I've used Elinchrom for many years and intend to continue, based on merit. D-Lites are excellent, with high spec, high performance, and competitive price. IMHO, their BRX series is the best semi-pro range, though a little more money. The new ELC Pro HD heads are the best monolights I've ever tested, really excellent, and well priced compared to Profoto and Bron.

Lencarta is the other brand that gets a lot of coverage, though only in the UK and partly due to Garry Edwards' helpful presence on here. They're made by Godox, available under that name and several other over-branded labels internationally. Lencarta is strongest at the entry-level end, but their products are very good indeed and exceptionally well priced.

Having tested more than a dozen different brands, I don't see any significant advantage to any other manufacturer over those two, though it's also true that most products are pretty good and perfectly capable of very good results - just nothing better, or better value. In the international market, another brand you might look at is Bowens - good, solid products, though a little more expensive spec for spec, at least in UK. If you're looking for the best brand overall, then that's Profoto.
 
As above, no reason for dodging them, there are possibly better ways of spending your money in the UK, but you're a bit more limited.
 
If you're looking for the best brand overall, then that's Profoto.

In monolights???

Pending a full test when they are released in January nothing touches the new Broncolor Siros S as they appear to be the the pinnacle of current Monolight technology.
 
They're good lights.

Profoto is the professional rental standard, but many, many professionals own elinchrom lights. They have good specs and consistency, are small and lightweight, and their modifiers are some of the best out there. Their battery solutions I'm not a huge fan of, the ranger has a slow recycle compared to the profoto equivalent, and the quadra just doesn't have enough juice, and the heads are a bit flimsy. I'd certainly rate them above Bowens, which are a bit clunky, and certainly a while back when I last used any were a touch of a slouch on many of the specs.

Elinchrom were one of the first to bring in remote power controls, built-in or native radio sync and power adjustment, and have some exciting new heads coming out soon that'll rival the incredibly successful and popular profoto B1 on several fronts.

Pending a full test when they are released in January nothing touches the new Broncolor Siros S as they appear to be the the pinnacle of current Monolight technology.

those brons are WICKED. Had a play recently and damn.
 
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Lencarta is the other brand that gets a lot of coverage, though only in the UK and partly due to Garry Edwards' helpful presence on here. They're made by Godox, available under that name and several other over-branded labels internationally. Lencarta is strongest at the entry-level end, but their products are very good indeed and exceptionally well priced.
Not totally right. There are at least 2 other companies in the UK selling Godox re-branded lights, but they are just re-brands of the Godox models on which ours are based, ours are different and with much higher performance and specs.

Before getting involved with Lencarta, I've used most other brands, mainly Elinchrom. I would say that in the mid-price, pre Lencarta era, Elinchrom always produced high performance, reliable products, with Bowens beating them on build quality but less good on light quality and innovation. Another make to consider has always been Hensel, although they don't have much of a presence in the UK. I consider Hensel to be under-rated.

I would say that today, Bowens have lost their build quality edge (according to things I hear, I have no personal experience of their current product range) and Elinchrom continue to produce decent build quality and decent innovation. For many years, Elinchrom has been owned and managed by the same family and this has to be a good thing. Bowens has changed hands several times and doesn't have the support and commitment of a family. I would say that Bron (or at least the high end models actually made by Bron) and Profoto are the lights of choice for top end pros, but neither have popular appeal due to price. Profoto seems to sell mainly to rental outlets.

At the lower end of the market, there are a host of new players from the far east, covering a wide spectrum of prices - but most are best avoided.

At the end of the day, the most important factor for most people is the quality of the service and customer support, because things can and will go wrong with any product, and the higher the spec and performance, the more likely it is to go wrong at some point. If you stick with a Company that provides good customer support you won't go wrong, whether that Company (in alphabetical order) is Bron, Elincrom, Lencarta or Profoto.
 
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In monolights???

Pending a full test when they are released in January nothing touches the new Broncolor Siros S as they appear to be the the pinnacle of current Monolight technology.

You literally can't touch those Broncolor lights, they're not available!
 
In monolights???

Pending a full test when they are released in January nothing touches the new Broncolor Siros S as they appear to be the the pinnacle of current Monolight technology.

Profoto is best brand overall, not just in monolights. Profoto monolights are very good indeed, only recently trumped by Elinchrom ELC Pro HD models. Bron Siros is not quite here yet, but looks promising for sure, and it's good to see Bron getting real on price at last but they're still very much in professional territory at £1000 per head.
 
Not totally right. There are at least 2 other companies in the UK selling Godox re-branded lights, but they are just re-brands of the Godox models on which ours are based, ours are different and with much higher performance and specs.

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In what ways - can you be more specific?
 
I see a lot of people dismiss Elinchrom in this board and I wondered what people's reasons for this are?

I'm looking at setting up a home studio for portraits and I'm really limited as to what brands I can buy out here. Profoto and Broncolor are available, but beyond that the main (affordable) brand is Elinchrom.

In my experience most recommendations are Lencarta followed by Elinchrom. This occurs mostly because it's a beginner asking so any decent monolight will work just fine for them and Lencarta being cheaper makes them the easiest to recommend.
 
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In what ways - can you be more specific?
I can be very specific, but for obvious reasons I don't make negative comments about competitors at all, let alone on a public forum.
I will send you a PM with a couple of examples.
 
I can be very specific, but for obvious reasons I don't make negative comments about competitors at all, let alone on a public forum.
I will send you a PM with a couple of examples.

Thanks Garry. Not trying to trip you up at all, but performance claims like that need to be substantiated if we're not to assume it's just a different shape handle ;)
 
I can be very specific, but for obvious reasons I don't make negative comments about competitors at all, let alone on a public forum.
I will send you a PM with a couple of examples.

Just be your positive self and explain what is better than standard, don't need to knock anything else by doing that.

Mike
 
You literally can't touch those Broncolor lights, they're not available!

You can if you ask for a demo. They were a Shoot LDN I believe also for anyone to play with and considering they are released in January I'd say a few weeks wait is worth it before commiting to buying anything in the mean time.
 
Profoto is best brand overall, not just in monolights.

In your opinion of course as I see nothing between the top two and boils down to personal preference (and if you get suckered in by Profoto's rather excellent marketing machine).
 
You can if you ask for a demo. They were a Shoot LDN I believe also for anyone to play with and considering they are released in January I'd say a few weeks wait is worth it before commiting to buying anything in the mean time.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're impressive pieces of kit but it's a moot point until they're actually available to buy. Personally I find the lack of availability the bigger issue for Bron v Profoto as otherwise I prefer the Bron kit.
 
Just be your positive self and explain what is better than standard, don't need to knock anything else by doing that.

Mike
No. If I was to point out the differences, that would be taken by some to be a criticism of the people selling the different ones, especially when the statements they make are ... less than accurate.
 
I see a lot of people dismiss Elinchrom in this board and I wondered what people's reasons for this are?

I'm looking at setting up a home studio for portraits and I'm really limited as to what brands I can buy out here. Profoto and Broncolor are available, but beyond that the main (affordable) brand is Elinchrom.

Any reason to dodge them?

Thanks

No reason at all to dodge them, they are great lights and the choice of professionals.
 
Elinchrom, much like Bowens are popular mainly down to their reputation built up during the film day when they were the standard. Today there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of their kit however, nothing really innovate or exciting about it either. They have taken up the difficult middle ground in the lighting market I suppose, in a position where there is always someone cheaper offering the same spec, then above them they don't offer the latest spec/technology, reliability, support, availability of vast modifier range of the expensive big boys (Broncolor and Profoto).

If the price point and specs suit you, I wouldn't worry too much about the brand.

I cannot fault the fantastic support I have had from Elinchrom.
 
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