Elemental - Lack of Stock

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I'm getting a bit fed up waiting for stocks to land. They were stating end of this month now end of Jan - now out of stock for 3 months. Come on fellas get it sorted!

I might just go mad and order Elinchrom but the same set ups going to cost hundreds more.
 
Looks like there could be problems from China in general. China are probably teaching us a lesson for trying to strong arm them into going against N Korea hehe ;)
 
They've never had the greatest stock control, neither have lencarta :( Seems to be endemic with products manufactured in the far east, even once they've been made, they've then got to be (literally) shipped half way round the world.
 
Both companies are also fairly new (less so with Lencarta) and the ability to forecast for stock will take a couple of full trading years at least. However, seeing as most stuff is made in large batches then it can often be 6 months between manufacturing jobs. Also, if somebody in another country calls off a big order then you're knackered, again until the next manufacturing cycle.

I know it's not what everybody wants to hear but that is the way of the world. After a couple of years sales information you can normally start to forecast reasonably well for future requirements.

Steve
 
Fair point Steve and of course companies with a fairly low turnover haven't got the initial capital to stock in a big way.

I have been looking at Elinchrom and with the third party options on accessories now I'm going to go this route in the New Year.
 
I bought the Elemental kit for my studio and although a decent set of lights with constant output the fitting of Bowens stuff to them isn't as good as it could be.
 
Both companies are also fairly new (less so with Lencarta) and the ability to forecast for stock will take a couple of full trading years at least. However, seeing as most stuff is made in large batches then it can often be 6 months between manufacturing jobs. Also, if somebody in another country calls off a big order then you're knackered, again until the next manufacturing cycle.

I know it's not what everybody wants to hear but that is the way of the world. After a couple of years sales information you can normally start to forecast reasonably well for future requirements.

Steve

My post is about the situation in general and Lencarta in particular – don’t assume that these comments apply to any other supplier, as most people on this forum already know, I don’t comment about Elemental or the products they sell.

What Steve is saying is basically right.
The making/delivery cycle from China is a minimum of 3 months but can be much longer.
1. Get the batch made. In the case of fast-moving items like the SmartFlash heads, a batch of 1000 takes a few weeks
2. Wait while batches of other goods on the same order are made.
3. Wait for the ship. There are plenty of ships but it’s still often a couple of weeks or so. In theory, small quantities can also be sent by air and Lencarta does do that, but the cost is pretty horrific and it can only be done with small quantities of high value items such as flash heads. Items such as beauty dishes simply can’t ever be sent economically by air, they’re too big and too heavy.
4. 5 weeks on the ship, sometimes just over 4 weeks.
5. Then the goods have to clear Customs and duties etc have to be paid before release. Anything from a couple of days to 10 days.
6. Deliver to the warehouse (usually around 5 containers, meaning 5 lorries) Unpack the containers, check the stock, get it on the shelves etc, around 3-5 days.

Obviously there’s an enormous amount of money tied up in all this, and with small Companies like Lencarta the cost doesn’t end there because every pallet of goods stored in the warehouse is attracting a weekly storage charge (very large Companies with their own warehouse don’t have the same problem and nor do tiny firms that can do their own warehousing). So, the name of the game is to make as often and as little as possible and to try to anticipate what the demand will be, but to make enough for the batch to be economical. And that’s where the problem lies, because although Lencarta has been around for a fairly long time and the general organic growth is fairly predictable, the SmartFlash is relatively new and it’s proved impossible to anticipate the demand based on the same period for last year – sales of the SmartFlash have simply exploded. And of course there are new products being added all the time, there are now a total of 20 different softboxes (not counting their various honeycombs and different speedrings for different makes of flash head) and 4 beauty dishes, not counting their honeycombs) and sales of those are hard to predict too, with some just flying off the shelves and others selling much more slowly.

Of course, Lencarta gets some stick whenever things are out of stock and loses sales too, so what’s the answer? I wish I knew:) There’s a clever accounting programme that rings warning bells whenever a particular item is either getting low or selling at a faster (or slower) rate than anticipated, and the new website does much the same thing, but keeping everything in stock without wasting a lot of money by having too much stock still requires both a lot of luck and a crystal ball – neither of which exist:'(

One of the problems that Lencarta has that smaller businesses don’t have is that there are both trade customers and large studios that place very large orders. That’s a nice problem to have, but still a problem.

So, all I can do is to apologise when items go out of stock, and hope that you understand.
 
I bought the Elemental kit for my studio and although a decent set of lights with constant output the fitting of Bowens stuff to them isn't as good as it could be.
I have noticed the same problem brian, a bit annoying for me, 2 sets of bowens fit lamps, the accesories will all fit my walimex, but only the elementals will fit on the elementals.

Was considering a set of 400's, i may howevrer wait (not a prob with their delays) and go for some bowens with travel paks next year
 
If it's any consolation folks, at the end of November, I needed some more lights, and looked at changing my system over to Profoto. I was quoted delivery sometime in January! Consequently I decided to stick with my Elinchroms. Order placed Monday arrived Tuesday!
 
Yeah, I suspect Profoto have the opposite problem.

Practically non existent sales to individuals in the UK with most purchases being planned large orders for studios and rental. They probably carry extremely thin stock levels with the plan of calling off orders from a European hub as necessary.

I'd imagine if you wanted to place a largish order (and really, there aren't any "small" Profoto orders...) then you could get the ProCentre to loan you kit to cover a job or so until it turns up. They really are very nice over there.
 
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