Ebay free all auctions starting at 99p 10% Final value fee !!!!!

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26 February, 2009 | 09:00AM GMT

From 12th March 2009, there's no Insertion Fee if you’re a private seller and you list your item in the auction-style format with a starting price of up to 99p (eBay.co.uk) or €1.49 (eBay.ie). Final Value Fee rates are also changing.

Fees for business-registered sellers using the auction-style format will be unchanged.

Pay only when you sell

In 2008 we made it free to include a picture for your listing. We’re continuing our commitment to moving the cost of selling on eBay.co.uk and eBay.ie away from front end fees so that the majority of fees are paid only when you successfully sell an item

They are going to charge 10% of the final price when the auction finishes up to a maximum of £400 :eek: that's a massive increase
 
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Finally Hope the final fee will be cheaper.
Ebay are robbing *******s...
 
too late for me. I closed my account last year when they hiked up the overall fee structure, including outrageous final sale fees. That said, i've been looking at a couple of the auction style progs on telly recently, where they quote the auction price and the seller price after fees, and ebay are not the only robbing gits out there. :shrug:
 
there is still no cheaper way to sell items...
 
konastab01 said:
Ebay are robbing *******s...
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Of course you'd rather they allowed you to sell your stuff for free? Compare the final fee prices (which afterall are based on an actual sale) to the linage rates you would have to pay in an photo mag and I'm not sure about what your complaint is. eBay don't hide the fees they charge, and they give you access to hundreds of thousands of potential customers. If you think they're robbing you then you've unrealistic expectations IMVHO.
 
No I dont mind paying a fee but when you have
listing fee + Final fee + Paypal fees it can get a bit much...
Thats why I think they are robbing basses
 
The listing fee's are very competitive, it's the final sale fee's that take the P**S.
They will not change, so status Que
 
It's about time they gave something back to private sellers, I've been on Ebay since 1998 and back then it was pretty cheap to sell stuff and you didn't have any nonsense like paying extra for your stuff to be visible to buyers in other countries.

The plan a few years back was to gradually drive private sellers off the site and concentrate on corporate ones, such as the big auction houses and high street retailers, but I think that plan was quietly dropped when they realised that it's the small sellers, not the big ones, that are their bread and butter.

As far as fees go, it works out at around 9-10% for Ebay and Paypal and you get paid instantly. My local auction house takes 17.5% all-in (with a minimum charge of a fiver) and 3 weeks to send out a cheque for sold lots.

That puts Ebay's fees sharply into perspective ;)
 
How about final value fee, are they jacking it up? How about praypal charges for accepting and withdrawing money?
 
As long as they don't increase final value fees thats fine, but Ebay have a tendancy to put stealth price rises behind headline price reductions.

For camera gear, I'd much rather buy and sell here or Nikon Cafe etc even if prices are lower TBH.
 
I could be wrong, but I think they have increased the final value fees. Just checked an item (non-photographic) that I had listed at £99 and the final value fee would be £7.84 if it sold, so a total of £8.24 incl. the listing fee. That's in the car parts section though, rates may be different in other sections....
 
Merovingian said:
They have. Well, they will on 12March, to be precise.

10% of win price up to a total of fee of £40 - so only really beneficial when win price > £400.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/sell/private-sellers-pricechange/
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That is one hell of a hike! I had no idea and lucky enough to flog three years' worth of accumulated gear last weekend.

I sold an EOS 40D for just over £400 so would have been hit for the full £40 under the new structure. The final value fee I actually paid was £10.12 and the original listing cost £3.70 for a well-highlighted ad.
 
so if you list something for 99p and it makes £400 and they pay with paypal the fees are going to be £40 (+4% of £400) £16 = £56 **** me:bonk:
 
Is that 10% across the board?

Fees for something at about £1k are quite reasonable...

Are they wanted to take 10% of anything?
 
Cost me £16.99 to list my sigma 120-300 for 3 days which went for £1000, worth listing higher value items for three days to see how it goes
 
puddleduck said:
Is that 10% across the board?

Fees for something at about £1k are quite reasonable...

Are they wanted to take 10% of anything?
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looks that way:rules:

What is it?

From 12th March 2009, private sellers pay no Insertion Fee per item that they list, providing they list the item using the auction format in an eligible category and set a starting price of 99p or less. Please note that we've also revised Final Value Fees. We've simplified the previous tiered structure and Final Value Fees for private sellers are now 10% of the final selling price, up to a maximum of £40.

The tables below show the new insertion fees and final value fee rates, effective from 12th March 2009:
 
So.. I think I am going to list a couple of my lens then... what happens if they end after 12th March but start before?

Need to get rid of my Nikkor 24-70 at least. That should go for about £950, which would be about £17 in fees under the old regime?

Think I'll put that Nikon 17-55 up too, as no interest here. But I don't want to pay £40 fees for that, so need to have that gone by the 12th too...
 
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Knowing ebay if it finishes at 10 seconds past midnight on the 12th you'll get charged the new rate, do you list them for that long, I find 3 days to be as good as the longer listings
 
puddleduck said:
So.. I think I am going to list a couple of my lens then... what happens if they end after 12th March but start before?

Need to get rid of my Nikkor 24-70 at least. That should go for about £950, which would be about £17 in fees under the old regime?

Think I'll put that Nikon 17-55 up too, as no interest here. But I don't want to pay £40 fees for that, so need to have that gone by the 12th too...
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I agree with wack. I would stick them on a seven day auction maximum and do it soon.
 
Think I will do, its not going to be economical to sell something with a 10% fee cut, plus another 4% to Paypal.
 
I think this is their way of getting rid of the private sellers that sell high value items, probably so it leaves more room for the business sellers selling the same item new.
 
Sounds like it, the idea of paying a 15% cut - not going to happen!

Think I'll chuck a couple of 7 days-er up to end before 12th.
 
konastab01 said:
No I dont mind paying a fee but when you have
listing fee + Final fee + Paypal fees it can get a bit much...
Thats why I think they are robbing basses
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They're not really. I sold quite a lot of stuff on eBay in the runup to Christmas and all in all I paid Royal Mail three times as much as eBay and PayPal combined!
 
Itti said:
They're not really. I sold quite a lot of stuff on eBay in the runup to Christmas and all in all I paid Royal Mail three times as much as eBay and PayPal combined!
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Don't you just pass the cost on to the buyers in P&P fees?
 
Don't ebay restrict what you can charge for p&P on certian items such as CD's and DVD's?
 
wack61 said:
looks that way:rules:

What is it?

From 12th March 2009, private sellers pay no Insertion Fee per item that they list, providing they list the item using the auction format in an eligible category and set a starting price of 99p or less. Please note that we've also revised Final Value Fees. We've simplified the previous tiered structure and Final Value Fees for private sellers are now 10% of the final selling price, up to a maximum of £40.

The tables below show the new insertion fees and final value fee rates, effective from 12th March 2009:
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bleedin' 'ell - it used to be 1.5% up to something like £15 and then 0.5% of the remainder, up to a similar maximum......
 
I've love the way they spin it as "simplification"

Sellling an item for £400 and paying £40 commisin is a massive change - I think you'd be looking at about £15 under the old scheme?
 
I think there will be a lot of auctions that don't make it to the end, list for 99p free, get an offer to end early, sell then you don't pay the final valuation fee,if the item is worth £400 and you get an offer of £350 you may as well let it go so it may not make £350 and even if it does you'll only get £315.

I think this is financial suicide for ebay, I certainly won't be listing anything of value after the 12th.

however I do have a garage full of crap I will be listing for free :D
 
I still can't comprehend the extent of this price hike - £15 out of every £100 more of less after Paypal fees too!

I wonder what the fees are for BuyItNow? Do they change? Or are higher fees only for "free" listings?
 
I've been searching to find out but they've written it so it's as clear as mud
If you put free listing in the search boxes it comes up with nothing so they're not exactly advertising the increases.

It's only on the page below there's any reference to it and I only found through a link on another forum

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/sell/private-sellers-pricechange/
 
I don't think eBay fees are unreasonable at all. Just think at the exposure you get on the internet and compare that to what you get in your local auction house or newspaper verses the costs involved there.

I dislike this attitude that all prices that rise imply that something is overpriced or unfair. Prices are determined by the market, and if everyone stops using eBay, I'm sure you will start seeing them fall again... the fact of the matter is that we are in a recession, and lots of people have lots of stuff to sell to free up a little extra cash. Therefore, pure economics tells us that it makes sense for eBay to raise prices...
 
A quick look at this and I think this is how the new FVF structure will work, ignoring the amount to list it...

Sales Price Old Fee New Fee Increase %
£10.00 £0.88 £1.00 £0.13 14%
£30.00 £2.63 £3.00 £0.38 14%
£50.00 £3.68 £5.00 £1.33 36%
£100.00 £6.30 £10.00 £3.70 59%
£200.00 £11.55 £20.00 £8.45 73%
£300.00 £16.80 £30.00 £13.20 79%
£400.00 £22.05 £40.00 £17.95 81%
£500.00 £27.30 £40.00 £12.70 47%
£600.00 £32.55 £40.00 £7.45 23%
£750.00 £34.80 £40.00 £5.20 15%
£1,000.00 £38.55 £40.00 £1.45 4%

There's always here of course , plus gumtree and others :thumbs:
 
so you have to sell items at £1200+ before the scale starts coming down 81% increase **** me
 
wack61 said:
I think there will be a lot of auctions that don't make it to the end, list for 99p free, get an offer to end early, sell then you don't pay the final valuation fee,
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Looks like a plan but wonder how long fleaby will allow you to close an auction early or how many times they'll let you do it over a given period.
It should certainly make sellers more amenable to considering "offers" where they would have otherwise let the auction run - especially if you have the paypal gift option. One would obviously lose the feedback and limited protection they offer.
 
oldestswinger said:
A quick look at this and I think this is how the new FVF structure will work, ignoring the amount to list it...

Sales Price Old Fee New Fee Increase %
£10.00 £0.88 £1.00 £0.13 14%
£30.00 £2.63 £3.00 £0.38 14%
£50.00 £3.68 £5.00 £1.33 36%
£100.00 £6.30 £10.00 £3.70 59%
£200.00 £11.55 £20.00 £8.45 73%
£300.00 £16.80 £30.00 £13.20 79%
£400.00 £22.05 £40.00 £17.95 81%
£500.00 £27.30 £40.00 £12.70 47%
£600.00 £32.55 £40.00 £7.45 23%
£750.00 £34.80 £40.00 £5.20 15%
£1,000.00 £38.55 £40.00 £1.45 4%

There's always here of course , plus gumtree and others :thumbs:
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What still isn't clear to me - if you don't take them up on the "free" listings offer :lol: and say use BIN what is the fee structure then?
 
I think you'll still get stuck with the paypal fees as I doubt many people will use paypal gift on ebay, too many scammers

I wonder how long the free listing will last, that's obviously the spin to hide the 10% FVF, once ebay is full of everybody's garbage listed at 99p they'll quietly drop it like they did with ebay express

This is the fees page but it's still showing the old fees, I suppose they'll change at midnight when we hit the 12th

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/fees.html
 
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