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I just got an email from them. They will put up BIN prices to 10% capped at £40, in line with auction prices. I haven't used them for a while for selling, and never will after this. I thought I'd warn others.
 
How does this £40 cap work? If I sell a lens for £2000 do I still pay just 40 pounds?
 
ziggy©;3781723 said:
How does this £40 cap work? If I sell a lens for £2000 do I still pay just 40 pounds?
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I think thats how it works... its good as long as you are selling high value items.
 
In theory,IIRC...with the old system if you sold a £1000 lens on a Buy It Now it would cost you around £18 in fees. Now the same lens will cost you £40 in fees.

Doesn't sound too bad?

Try the old system for a £400 lens, about £8-10 in fees...new system...£40 in fees!!
 
Just had the same email, what a rip :( I was looking at selling something soon for about £200 worked out the fees on the old system of £10.17 the new system will be £20 this is without insertion fees and paypal charges.

Overall I est. new fees and all charges will be about £28 for a £200 item. My advise would be sell sell sell before 21st July :lol:
 
dentedshed said:
It does seem a stupid move but IMO all it will do is encourage more 'off ebay' sales.
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or even price rises of items - to cover the silly prices that some sellers ask for already...
 
There is no "real" alternative though is there for "normal" people buying and selling bits and pieces its ok if your into photography as you would probably use forums like this with a classified section

Im really surprised google haven't come up with something
 
There is ebid. It has the same shortcomings as ebay ie any scammer can use it happily as there are no real identity checks or anything to prove anyone is who they say they are.

Facebook might be a better avenue as people tend to use their actual real name on there.
 
I know someone that sells conservatories on Ebay. The final fees on that can be over a grand so, he sells a picture of a conservatory for 99p and the listing includes an email address to contact for more info.

His payments are by cheque or BT only.

Just a thought, although any paypal payment for a lens would be outside of ebay and not covered.
 
I thought it was expensive before, but this 10% blanket fee is a right kick in the wallet.
 
I wonder how easy or hard it is to set up an internet auction site . I could make a fortune on fees of 5% .
 
avarice08 said:
In theory,IIRC...with the old system if you sold a £1000 lens on a Buy It Now it would cost you around £18 in fees. Now the same lens will cost you £40 in fees.

Doesn't sound too bad?

Try the old system for a £400 lens, about £8-10 in fees...new system...£40 in fees!!
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eBay are total aholes for doing this. As in your example, I'm sure the aim of it is to massively increase the fees they get for Technology items (like camera stuff).

Remember you usually have to add PayPal fees on to this as well.
 
Diappointing to say the least but I guess if you think of the alternatives, e.g. auction house, then you are still going to pay more in 'commission'. You are paying for the convenience and the potential ready buyers I guess.
 
I only use Ebay now as a last resort for selling anything due to their high fees! I seem to be able to sell most things on Forums like these no problem. It feels like they're going to a good home too for some reason. :)
 
As said, there is no real alternative to Ebay. Years ago i do remember Yahoo auctions which was awesome but they didnt have a payment system, which is where Ebay have come in.

We need something quick!
 
PsiFox said:
Just a thought, although any paypal payment for a lens would be outside of ebay and not covered.
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Are you sure?
I just today have a scam case closed in favour of me - for a Elinchrom kit £600. Full refund.
The pitch and pre sale comm with seller looked very genuine - she claimed to be a wedding tog.

Anyway, if you are a biz seller, you still paying 3% fee. So this fee raise against private seller IMO is a move to kill the diversity and novelty of eBay. But it could give a raise to 'S/H brokerage'
 
Part of me does agree with the rise as there is now a load of crap on eBay. You get sellers listing the same thing hundreds of times and as a result you have a lot of rubbish on there, however it will hurt the genuine seller who sells on eBay now and again. If you use your local paper to advertise you have to pay for it, however this is where the forums should now start to blossum as sellers will now turn to specialist forums and just use pay pal as a payment handler... I think it will be good for us in the long term
 
Dylanlewis2000 said:
Part of me does agree with the rise as there is now a load of crap on eBay. You get sellers listing the same thing hundreds of times and as a result you have a lot of rubbish on there, however it will hurt the genuine seller who sells on eBay now and again. If you use your local paper to advertise you have to pay for it, however this is where the forums should now start to blossum as sellers will now turn to specialist forums and just use pay pal as a payment handler... I think it will be good for us in the long term
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I doubt it will reduce the amount of crap being listed as this has nothing to do with listing fees, the price rise is related to the final value of a completed sale.

It's blatant profiteering. The final value fee on a BIN £400 lens is currently £9.67. From July 21st it will be £40 - an increase of 313%.
 
I guess this now makes it an opportunity for those with a business account to sell for non businesses and charge them 7%. 4% profit for the business and 3% saving for the private individual...if that makes sense? Hardly worth it though...

Rob
 
Although I haven't used either site for a long time, I found that Ebid has the potential to be a viable alternative.... If only people would actually use it!
Safety is just as good, payment options are the same and so on. One of the problems is that they don't seem to get the publicity.

THIS is a classic example. If I type in ebay you get an automatic clickable link which takes you there. You don't get that same tratment for ebid,a nd you should!

If I had stuff to sell I'd go back to Ebid again - But it does need both new buyers and sellers.
 
May be disappointing, annoying etc.

Look at selling at auction houses. 15-20% is the normal plus the buyer also has to pay commission so items sell for far less than eBay or private sellers.

Take a pick of the two or sell privately.

In all you may find not much of a difference from selling privately or selling on eBay once all fees come off. So nothing much too loose.

Another item that has gone up in price in the current climate:(
 
Another take on it, with all the scams going on on there could it not be that they are trying to get back to just selling low cost items, i.e under a tenner or just 20 quid.
You think you het ripped off, try getting a seller to post to the channel islands, I have had it before where the item cost less than £5 but the seller wanted £18 postage, it costs no more to send here with royal mail than it does to send it to the next street.

I very rarley sold on there i just buy, and it works well sometimes,

spike
 
I sell ccassionally but buy mostly, new stuff, buy it now. I have a D40 body I am wanting to sell so I'll have to put it up soon. Don't have enough postings to sell here.
Thanks for the heads up as I had not had an e-mail from them
Steve
 
Am I the only one who's getting the impression E-bay doesn't actually want private buyers/sellers any more, they just want to be a retail outlet, more amazon than classified ads. Apart from anything, there's a lot less hassle for them selling end-of-line Superdry shirts than their traditional mix of pre-enjoyed & stolen goods...

p.s.
anyone know a firefox plugin to zap those annoying green google links everytime someone says fleabay...adblock+ doesn't work on them...
 
flossie said:
Am I the only one who's getting the impression E-bay doesn't actually want private buyers/sellers any more, they just want to be a retail outlet, more amazon than classified ads...
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I'd been thinking exactly the same.
 
I believe I read recently that in 2008 42% of all sales were non auction on eBay....I dare say the percentage of non auction sales is even higher now.

Rob
 
avarice08 said:
In theory,IIRC...with the old system if you sold a £1000 lens on a Buy It Now it would cost you around £18 in fees. Now the same lens will cost you £40 in fees.

Doesn't sound too bad?

Try the old system for a £400 lens, about £8-10 in fees...new system...£40 in fees!!
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A real live auction house would charge at least 15% +vat.+ any storage or transport.
It is good value at 10%
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
A real live auction house would charge at least 15% +vat.+ any storage or transport.
It is good value at 10%
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Yeah, but a real auction house is nothing like ebay at all. I would say that the auctioneers at a real auction house earn their fees because they actively work to increase the amount of money that they will win, ebay doesn't. There are more differences than similarities in my opinion.
 
flossie said:
Am I the only one who's getting the impression E-bay doesn't actually want private buyers/sellers any more, they just want to be a retail outlet, more amazon than classified ads. Apart from anything, there's a lot less hassle for them selling end-of-line Superdry shirts than their traditional mix of pre-enjoyed & stolen goods...
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I agree with you. Of course, the difference is that eBay don't actually stock any products themselves - everything is stocked and sold by other people.

Soon, I reckon they'll move to limit the amount you can charge for Buy It Now prices - probably pegged to whatever Amazon charge for the same item.

Compared to what eBay was 10 years ago, it's now a shambolic mess. I've also had dealings with them in a professional law enforcement capacity, involving an investigation (ironically, for this site) into the fraudulent selling of camera equipment. They were absolutely useless, and cared even less than the banks - which takes some doing. Their team failed to respond to numerous DP requests, despite jumping through their administrative hoops, and - as a direct result of their failure to cooperate - the investigation folded. Unfortunately, they could even ignore court orders, as their European base is in Luxembourg. I'm sure that's a deliberate ploy for legal purposes.

Their "sod everyone else" attitude runs right through the site. My mother and father run a business through eBay, and it is shocking how they treat sellers - even more so when you consider that all the money they make is from sellers, not buyers. Give it 5 years, and I think eBay will have gone down the swanny.
 
I suppose Im lucky, as a buyer, this doesn't really make a difference to me. In 7 yrs of using ebay, I only managed to sell my first ever item a couple of weeks ago. I found the process easy, convenient and even allowing for 10%, I would have still been happy.

It comes down to choice - there isn't really a viable alternative at the moment. One of the tech forums I follow has a market place which works well, but it is a trade off. If you want a higher price for an object, then put it in auction on ebay
If you are willing to settle for a lower price, then use a forum marketplace..
 
mmacleod said:
It comes down to choice - there isn't really a viable alternative at the moment. One of the tech forums I follow has a market place which works well, but it is a trade off. If you want a higher price for an object, then put it in auction on ebay
If you are willing to settle for a lower price, then use a forum marketplace..
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Absolutely, generally you will get more for your gear on eBay than you will on here despite the fee's. I prefer to sell my gear on here than eBay because its a friendly group,mostly, and I like to feel part of the community. Thats despite the fact my wifes a business seller with power seller status.

Steve
 
On the bright side - think of the Quidco cashback!
 
I recently sold a lens for £700 and got hit with a £40 fee, add paypal of £25, that's quite a hit. Having said that eBay does seem to get premium prices.
 
flossie said:
On the bright side - think of the Quidco cashback!
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Good point Richard!

With Quidco you get 40% of fees I think so for every £100 spent, they would pay £10? so you'd get £4 back? Does that sound right?

Can't be bad!

Rob
 
RE- postage problems- I live in Aberdeenshire and recently had problems paying on Ebay as I clicked buy it now and wanted to pay instantly with Paypal. A message came up saying the seller didn't post to Highlands and Islands and unless the Shire has moved we are in neither!
 
avarice08 said:
Good point Richard!

With Quidco you get 40% of fees I think so for every £100 spent, they would pay £10? so you'd get £4 back? Does that sound right?

Can't be bad!

Rob
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Isn't that listing fees rather than final value? If I'm wrong I'm going to be a happy bunny! :)
 
The war on the private seller continues. I remember when I started sellng on ebay, you could have a reserve of any amount, you were charged very low fees, there were no BIN listings and the search results automatically sorted ending soonest, without 'featured' items or general business seller plugs for chineese tat inserted well above any proper results.

There was also ebay payments, whic hworked well and didn't cost you to receive moeny, not to mention it could be in your bank account the next day direct. Paypal was a seperate company.

I'm only selling items I can't sell elsewhere where I don't care about the final value now, since I just can't get a decent price after fees. This is having a knock on effect on buying too, as ebay shops and BIN sellers have eroded a lot of the good bargain auctions, and further fee hikes are just going to reduce the market further.

Ebay is a mere shadow of it's former self. Did anyone else notice earlier in the year they changed their own banner from the UK's biggest online marketplace to One of the Uk's....
 
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