E10 is due to replace E5

[Cobra]

Well that one passed me by, that's the first I've heard :-


E10 is due to replace E5 as the standard for unleaded petrol from 1st September.
From 1st September, petrol stations in England, Scotland and Wales will have to sell E10 as their standard grade unleaded petrol.
A small number of older vehicles, including classic cars and some from the early 2000s, will not be compatible with this move.
These drivers will instead have to use the 'super' unleaded E5 petrol, which will be the more expensive of the two.
The 2 petrol blends that are currently widely available in the UK contain no more than 5% ethanol, known as E5; the fuel being rolled out in September has up to 10%.

Using bioethanol in place of traditional petrol can reduce CO2 emissions and, therefore, increasing the ethanol content of petrol could help us meet our climate change targets.
The introduction of E10 fuel, which is a mixture of petrol and ethanol made from materials including low-grade grains, sugars and waste wood, will boost the government’s ambitions to reach net-zero by 2050.
Its introduction on UK roads could cut transport carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 750,000 tonnes a year – the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off the road, or all the cars in North Yorkshire.

 

[Nod]

Been using Super for ages. A bit more expensive than standard petrol but less hygroscopic. Some of the extra cost is mitigated by the better economy from the Super. Possibly some other performance gains too but not enough to notice on the road in real life!

 

[Mr Bump]

been putting e10 in my C3 for a while.
sainsburys fuel changed about 2 months ago
seems no different

 

[hashcake]

I'm glad I drive a diesel car.

 

[Nod]

It's the bikes that appreciate the Super most, although the MX-5 likes it too.

 

[lindsay]

When this was mooted a fair few years ago, I was still flying and a lot of pilots/aircraft owners were and are worried because a lot of microlights and newer light aircraft run on "Mo-Gas" ie car petrol, but the problem with E10 for them is that it increases the likelihood of icing, in certain weather conditions. Icing = engine stops, like happened to the airliner that hedge-hopped into Heathrow. Not a circumstance that adds to the pleasure of aviating. There are aviation-specific blends of MoGas now available, but at a price, apparently, and very limited quantities.

 

[Krisstiffer]

the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off the road, or all the cars in North Yorkshire.

Just take the cars out of North Yorkshire - leave the roads clear for us bikers!!

This hasn’t been that well publicised - I found out about it the other week by accident. I’m ok but my mum still runs a 2001 Toyota Corolla (is still going strong!!) so advised her to have a word with her friendly mechanic to see what the best course of action would be. Otherwise she could have been doing bad things to her car with E10 simply through not knowing any different.......

 

[Cobra]

but the problem with E10 for them is that it increases the likelihood of icing, in certain weather conditions.

That's not good

Just take the cars out of North Yorkshire -

I did think that was a good compromise TBH

It seems my hooligan machine will run on E10, but not the E15 that has been whispered in some corners..
It also seems that I should have been using the "super" grades, for better performance and a slight improvement in MPG,
or so the relevant forums tell me.

 

[srichards]

It's been on the cards for ages. It will probably turn out to be no more fuss than losing lead out petrol was.

 

[Cobra]

It's been on the cards for ages

TBH the first I heard of this was today.

It will probably turn out to be no more fuss than losing lead out petrol was.

Quite possibly, another attempt to get older cars off the road.
But someone will find a work around no doubt, for those that need it.

 

[LCPete]

Our Yaris will be fine but I already run my bikes on super unleaded especially my 1983 Yamaha YPVS
I’ve already had problems with rust in the petrol tank which I believe was caused by ethanol absorbing water will have to make sure that I don’t leave it in too long
The esso supreme used to be ethanol free but in many areas including where I live now has ethanol in it

 

[LCPete]

This issue is with rubber seals and pipes in older engines , i recently had do change the rubber parts in the carbs on the Yamaha because they had deteriorated and they were only a few years old
Carbs were leaking petrol so was a safety issue may not be noticed in a car

 

[boyfalldown]

TBH the first I heard of this was today.

I heard it whispered about for a little while. The pumps at the local Tesco are all E10 for their regular unleaded. I assume they've rolled it out nationwide on that basis. Their Super unleaded Is still E5

 

[Suvv]

I saw an article in The Guardian a few weeks ago, it had a link to a Government site to check if your car is OK with the new blend.

Check if your vehicle can run on E10 petrol

Check if you can use E10 petrol in your car, motorcycle or moped - what information you need to check, what to do if you’re not sure

www.gov.uk

 

[Nod]

First saw that the move was being mooted a year or so ago in the bike press then more talk about it in the months that followed, especially in Classic Bike. The hygroscopic problem has been well known for years (since the introduction of Ethanol into some fuels) and has caused a fair few tanks to rust from the inside. The fuller you can keep the tank, the smaller the problem and there are also some products that can help reduce the problem.

 

[lindsay]

As I mentioned, in aviation it seems to have been expected for about 8 years I think. The plane I had a share of had an old 4-pot piston carburettor engine, 1940's design 1960's aircraft, in the USA they run on "100 Low Lead' fuel. Here they run on Avgas, I don't know what's happening with that. As time goes by I'm glad I stopped flying, the amount of hassle and regulatory change affecting it as a hobby has just been so off-putting.

 

[LeeRatters]

been putting e10 in my C3 for a while.
sainsburys fuel changed about 2 months ago
seems no different

I read somewhere on a car forum from a guy who works in the industry and he said no E10 has been delivered anywhere yet. I think September is the 'release' date. E10 on the pump means the fuel contains up to 10%

The Focus is fine and often has 'super'

The Mk1 Escort will only run on higher octane super anyway so..... No current issues for me.

 

[Krisstiffer]

I saw an article in The Guardian a few weeks ago, it had a link to a Government site to check if your car is OK with the new blend.

Check if your vehicle can run on E10 petrol

Check if you can use E10 petrol in your car, motorcycle or moped - what information you need to check, what to do if you’re not sure

www.gov.uk

Thanks for that - looks like my mum’s 20 year old Corolla has a few more years left in it!!

 

[Craig1912]

I read somewhere on a car forum from a guy who works in the industry and he said no E10 has been delivered anywhere yet. I think September is the 'release' date. E10 on the pump means the fuel contains up to 10%

The Focus is fine and often has 'super'

The Mk1 Escort will only run on higher octane super anyway so..... No current issues for me.

It’s started being rolled out already as they can’t just switch overnight. Local Tesco is selling it. The Super unleaded will continue to be E5. E10 is standard in France and Germany

 

[robj20]

It’s started being rolled out already as they can’t just switch overnight. Local Tesco is selling it. The Super unleaded will continue to be E5. E10 is standard in France and Germany

I think they are just changing the signage, E10 isn't available yet as far as I know.
Even if it's still 5% the E10 just means max of 10% so they're changing the signs early.

 

[bass_junkie83]

I have a 40 year old merc that I am trying to get back on the road which potentially could be an issue. But to be honest I think it would probably run just fine on turps.

 

[robj20]

I have a 40 year old merc that I am trying to get back on the road which potentially could be an issue. But to be honest I think it would probably run just fine on turps.

You'd be able to run it on premium fuel, maybe even carry some additive around for those times when you don't have access to premium.

 

[mj4456]

Our local Tesco has E5, E10 standard unleaded and E5 super unleaded, I use super anyway but I checked and both could run on E10 if needed, it's causing some confusion at the pumps with an extra nozzle in the line up.

 

[Cobra]

I heard it whispered about for a little while. The pumps at the local Tesco are all E10 for their regular unleaded. I assume they've rolled it out nationwide on that basis. Their Super unleaded Is still E5

I fill up at Tesco sometimes, and TBH I'd not even noticed that it said E10, but as above it seems there is some discrepancy. I won't need to fill up for a couple of weeks, So I can't check retrospectively

I saw an article in The Guardian a few weeks ago, it had a link to a Government site to check if your car is OK with the new blend.

Check if your vehicle can run on E10 petrol

Check if you can use E10 petrol in your car, motorcycle or moped - what information you need to check, what to do if you’re not sure

www.gov.uk

I saw that at the same time as I saw the "press release" My car isn't listed.
But as above checking out the owners forums, I should be OK.

 

[LeeRatters]

It’s started being rolled out already as they can’t just switch overnight. Local Tesco is selling it. The Super unleaded will continue to be E5. E10 is standard in France and Germany

Actually selling it or the pump sticker says E10?

I think they are just changing the signage, E10 isn't available yet as far as I know.
Even if it's still 5% the E10 just means max of 10% so they're changing the signs early.

^^ That's what I heard. I think this guy was a tanker driver, either that or he was involved with filling the tankers at the refineries - Certainly one or the other so I guess he would know more than Joe Public.

 

[ancient_mariner]

Our local Tesco fuel station has had signs up warning about the change for several months & to check compatibility, though not explaining what the difference was.

 

[Craig1912]

Actually selling it or the pump sticker says E10?



^^ That's what I heard. I think this guy was a tanker driver, either that or he was involved with filling the tankers at the refineries - Certainly one or the other so I guess he would know more than Joe Public.

According to this it is being sold already

E10 petrol explained: checker tool, UK prices and is it OK for your car? | Auto Express

What is E10 fuel and will your car run on it? Here’s everything you need to know about E10...

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

[LeeRatters]

According to this it is being sold already

E10 petrol explained: checker tool, UK prices and is it OK for your car? | Auto Express

What is E10 fuel and will your car run on it? Here’s everything you need to know about E10...

www.autoexpress.co.uk

Did you actually read that link of yours?

I'll quote the start of the first paragraph for you.....

E10 petrol - a more eco-friendly type of petrol containing up to 10 per cent ethanol - will be available at fuel stations across the UK from 1 September 2021 and become the default form of petrol, with the aim of reducing CO2 emissions.

 

[Craig1912]

Did you actually read that link of yours?

I'll quote the start of the first paragraph for you.....

Yep I did the line after the one you quoted…..

The introduction of E10 is happening already because retailers can’t make the switch overnight, so we're answering some of the questions you may have on this page.

 

[LeeRatters]

Yep I did the line after the one you quoted…..

The introduction of E10 is happening already because retailers can’t make the switch overnight, so we're answering some of the questions you may have on this page.

Yes. ie the labelling on the pumps....

 

[Nod]

Filled up today and saw that Super is still labelled as E5 but Regular is now labelled as E10. Since the number is the maximum percentage of Ethanol the fuel contains, E5 can be labelled E10 but E10 shouldn't be labelled E5.

Couldn't decide which to go for so put Diesel in instead.

 

[foggy4ever]

Both Civic diesel and MX5 get V Power.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I will have to continue with E5 in my Toyota 2.2 Camry
Such is life.
So will people with Petrol power tools, mowers, cement mixers etc. and most scooter riders. In fact any thing that is not a fairly new Car, could need to continue with E5

 

[robj20]

I will have to continue with E5 in my Toyota 2.2 Camry
Such is life.
So will people with Petrol power tools, mowers, cement mixers etc. and most scooter riders. In fact any thing that is not a fairly new Car, could need to continue with E5

Fairly new, I wouldn't call a 2011 car fairly new. Yeah sucks a bit if you have an older car or one of the 5% that wont work with it. But the cost wont be as huge a hit as people think as E10 has an economy hit that is generally higher than the advertised figure, sure its being sold as a 1% loss reduction in MPG but in real world testing its at least 2.5%.

 

[onomatopoeia]

It's been on the cards for ages. It will probably turn out to be no more fuss than losing lead out petrol was.

My Imp has an aluminium alloy engine and head, so came with valve seat inserts from the factory, unleaded wasn't a problem. E10 will be as the fuel hose is guaranteed incompatible - I can replace all the flexible, it's just a faff. I'm not actually sure about the Porsche either, given its age.

 

[srichards]

My Imp has an aluminium alloy engine and head, so came with valve seat inserts from the factory, unleaded wasn't a problem. E10 will be as the fuel hose is guaranteed incompatible - I can replace all the flexible, it's just a faff. I'm not actually sure about the Porsche either, given its age.

Could use this in both cars by the look of it.

EPS - Ethanol Protection System Fuel Additive 250ml One Shot

A fuel treatment providing ethanol protection when using unleaded fuel. Prevents fuel system corrosion and helps protect components. Recommended for rebuilt classic engines with hardened valve seats. Compatible with catalytic converters and endorsed by the FBHVC.

www.millersoils-shop.co.uk

 

[Craig1912]

Yes. ie the labelling on the pumps....

Whatever It actually says it is already happening ie not labels put on pumps. It’s not important enough for me to argue the toss so I’ll bow out.

 

[LeeRatters]

Whatever It actually says it is already happening ie not labels put on pumps. It’s not important enough for me to argue the toss so I’ll bow out.

No it doesn't. It's in black & white..... Available from the 1st of September. In your link that you posted

 

[Krisstiffer]

Bloody E numbers - first they add ‘em to food, now they’re doing it to fuel

 

[David_Mug]

My latest BSA Owners' Club magazine has an article which summarises the findings of Dr Paul Ireland's research at Manchester University into the effects of E10 fuel on old engines.
Whilst he lists the usual problems of internal rusting of petrol tanks and deterioration of incomatible rubber components there are some plus points.
All petrol engines suffer from Cyclic Variability which can cause burned valves and pistons and damage to big end bearings.
The tests carried out at Manchester show that E10 significantly reduced the level of Cyclic Variability and was therefore much kinder to an existing engine.
The other important thing to note was that as ethanol contains oxygen, E+ fuel can cause engines to run weak, so raise the needle or twiddle the screw.
I am very much reassured that I can continue to ride my 'bikes without major upset.
The book is available from Veloce, ISBN 978-1-787115-90-3.
(I have no association to this book - I just point interested parties in that direction.)