E-Cigarettes

Jjm said:
A guy at the wifes work buys it in bulk and sells it at a reasonable price Iam currently using caramel :)
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Liberty Flights' website has all the ingredients and a calculator widget that work out the recipe for you. That's the cheapest way to do it by far, although I couldn't be bothered. Counting out 200 drops of this and 140 drops of that doesn't really appeal.

Of course, if the EU legislation happens it'll wipe out "boutique" (I.e. kitchen table) blenders in a flash. Shame really.
 
health-e-vape. its not DIY, you input what strength, pg/vg, flavour etc you want and they make it up for you and send it out.
 
fernface said:
Since nanny state have declareed that e-cigs, eliquid etc etc are to be classified as (medicine) in around 2013, a petition has been set up if you are interested in trying to preserve yet another of your rights:

http://epetitionsdirect.gov.uk/petitions/51572
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Already signed, although it 2016 when the need to license comes in.

It was no coincidence that today I ordered my first mixing kit. Got enough ingredients for 200ml of 18mg juice coming. If that goes well, I'll start stockpiling 72mg base to keep me going after 2016.
 
Johnd2000 said:
Already signed, although it 2016 when the need to license comes in.

It was no coincidence that today I ordered my first mixing kit. Got enough ingredients for 200ml of 18mg juice coming. If that goes well, I'll start stockpiling 72mg base to keep me going after 2016.
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Don't get the wrong idea, just that I thought these electronic ciggies were to help give up tobacco based smoking with the aim of quitting eventually.

So why the need to stockpile the ingredients to escape any future law changes?

Admit I have not read all the post's regarding your civil liberties etc. I'm just intrigued is to the reasoning in your post.

Ex smoker here....Mmmm....San Toy Cherroots very tempting even though I gave up 20 years ago.



[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/44841559@N03/6974993532/] Cigarette Packet - Lloyd's "San Toy" by cigcardpix, on Flickr[/URL]
 
I'm taking the plunge as well , not so concerned with the taste of cigarettes , it's more the habit of having one in my hand so hoping an ecig will wean me of the weed

Several people at work have tried with great success so taken a gamble &
ordered a cheapy from ebay to see how I go on . Need to have a proper read through this thread so I understand about the vapors etc...so much to learn
 
Nikon Man said:
Don't get the wrong idea, just that I thought these electronic ciggies were to help give up tobacco based smoking with the aim of quitting eventually.

So why the need to stockpile the ingredients to escape any future law changes?

Admit I have not read all the post's regarding your civil liberties etc. I'm just intrigued is to the reasoning in your post.

Ex smoker here....Mmmm....San Toy Cherroots very tempting even though I gave up 20 years ago.

[URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44841559@N03/6974993532/ Cigarette Packet - Lloyd's "San Toy" by cigcardpix, on Flickr"]http://www.flickr.com/photos/44841559@N03/6974993532/ Cigarette Packet - Lloyd's "San Toy" by cigcardpix, on Flickr[/URL]
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Well, no reputable dealer will tell you they're for giving up nicotine. Or at least they shouldn't. They're a replacement for burning tobacco and all the 4000 or so harmful chemicals that come with it. Essentially a far safer nicotine delivery system that comes in pretty much any flavour you can think of.

Some people cut down their Nic levels as they go and eventually either stop or just use Nic free juice. However, from my experience they're a small minority. Research suggests about 60% of people who try them switch either partially or totally to ecigs and there is anecdotal evidence of significant health benefits from people with chronic conditions like COPD.

Personally, I've no intention of giving up nicotine. That would be like giving up caffeine. Unnecessary misery for no real benefit. When you take the cancerous tobacco smoke out of the equation, what's left is pretty harmless.

Sorry. Rambling, i know. Been to a pub with about 25 other Vapers tonight. Puffing away all evening...indoors...legally. I can probably count the number of times I've visited a pub since the smoking ban on one hand, so I'm no good at drinking these days. [hic]
 
blondie606 said:
I'm taking the plunge as well , not so concerned with the taste of cigarettes , it's more the habit of having one in my hand so hoping an ecig will wean me of the weed

Several people at work have tried with great success so taken a gamble &
ordered a cheapy from ebay to see how I go on . Need to have a proper read through this thread so I understand about the vapors etc...so much to learn
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Get yourself over to the UK Vapers forum. Lots of tips there for good, cheap suppliers etc.
 
Johnd2000 said:
Some people cut down their Nic levels as they go and eventually either stop or just use Nic free juice. However, from my experience they're a small minority. Research suggests about 60% of people who try them switch either partially or totally to ecigs and there is anecdotal evidence of significant health benefits from people with chronic conditions like COPD.
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there was a video on youtube showing a guys chest xrays before he switched and a few years later, which is what convinced my other half to make the switch himself. i'll try and find the vid if i can...
 
Johnd2000 said:
Well, no reputable dealer will tell you they're for giving up nicotine. Or at least they shouldn't. They're a replacement for burning tobacco and all the 4000 or so harmful chemicals that come with it. Essentially a far safer nicotine delivery system that comes in pretty much any flavour you can think of.

Some people cut down their Nic levels as they go and eventually either stop or just use Nic free juice. However, from my experience they're a small minority. Research suggests about 60% of people who try them switch either partially or totally to ecigs and there is anecdotal evidence of significant health benefits from people with chronic conditions like COPD.

Personally, I've no intention of giving up nicotine. That would be like giving up caffeine. Unnecessary misery for no real benefit. When you take the cancerous tobacco smoke out of the equation, what's left is pretty harmless.

Sorry. Rambling, i know. Been to a pub with about 25 other Vapers tonight. Puffing away all evening...indoors...legally. I can probably count the number of times I've visited a pub since the smoking ban on one hand, so I'm no good at drinking these days. [hic]
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Thanks for the explanation satisfied my curiosity. Confess I have the caffeine addiction with all it's merits or pitfalls depending what daily rag you read.:lol:
 
panther_87k said:
there was a video on youtube showing a guys chest xrays before he switched and a few years later, which is what convinced my other half to make the switch himself. i'll try and find the vid if i can...
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There's a guy on one of the forums who was diagnosed with chronic COPD. He switched to ecigs and just 3 months later went for his quarterly scan. They ran the tests twice because they didn't believe the result first time. The COPD had almost completely gone. He'd previously been told that the best he could expect, if he gave up smoking, was to stop it getting any worse.

I don't know how true that is, but there are lots of these stories floating round and almost nothing to suggest any negative impacts. The most negative things I've heard are of sore throats and headaches (a sure sign of nicotine overdose).

The thing the pro-medical regulation crowd cite most of all are variations in the amount of Nic in juice batches. They say they want to ensure quality by insisting on better production methods. Trouble is, that completely ignores the fact that users regulate the dosage themselves, in the same way they do with real cigarettes (by smoking more or less). The precise amount of Nic in the juice doesn't really matter.
 
There was an interesting televised debate on ecig regulation by the EU JURI (legal affairs) committee today. The vote hasn't happened yet, but the clear consensus was that they shouldn't be treated as medicines, as that would restrict their availability and increase tobacco harm.

JURI don't get to decide on the TPD, but every little helps. :)
 
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Anybody have an good ideas for a starter for a cigar smoker?

As an ex fag smoker I started smoking mini cigars about a year ago now on holiday, but I'm tempted to go vape. The problem is I don't really low where to start.

Any suggestions gratefully received guys :)
 
most start on either the cig-a-like type things or if you want the refillable type, ego's are well priced and can even be found for as little as £12 for one if you have a good search around the net
 
I wouldn't suggest the cig a likes if your used to cigars, they aren't strong enough lol.

Plenty of ego kits such as the vapouriz tank (www.vapouriz.co.uk) which is where I really started 105 days ago. Would recommend a high nic content tabacco flavoured fluid and see how you get on.

Good luck matey it is definately worth it and am feeling a shed load better for quitting :)
 
I've been researching for a family member, these people have a cigar flavoured liquid available.
http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/E-Liqui...SUPREME.html?wizid=ql4lgf263usppj8j7enbtlmj27

I'm also pretty new into this, but my research pointed this way.

I ordered the SD key ring and its getting a good personal review at home. One comment made was the "hit" from it using 18mg cartridges made the tobacco cigs seem weaker (they are currently still getting off tobacco slowly, but have almost halved the tobacco use in under a week).

http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/Basic-Vaping-Kits/SD-KeyRing-Ecig/The-SD-KeyRing-Ecig.html

And you would need refillable cartomisers to use your own liquid.

http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Tanks--Accessories/Kanger-Protank.html

http://www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Tanks--Accessories/Vision-Mini-Nova-Kit.html

I'll be ordering a refillable cartomiser soon as the liquid seems much cheaper in 30ml bottles than prefilled ones.
 
Cheers guys, I'll have a good luck around. It all seems a bit of a minefield as to where to start!! :thinking:
 
Have to agree with the comment about avoiding "cig-alikes". In photography terms, they're compact point & shoots (with poor lenses and terrible battery life).

However, I have a Smoko battery, charger and 20 unused cartridges (in 5 flavours) for anyone that wants to try them. I won them and did a review video for the firm, but I'm not using the left overs.

Back on the photography analogy; if cig-alikes are P&S's, then eGo (type) devices are aps-c DSLRs, variable voltage/wattage devices are FF DSLRs and mods like the vamo/eVic/provari are medium format. :)
 
Long shot, I know, but does anyone here want to come to Brussels on the 10th July to protest against the ecig regulation in the Tobacco Products Directive? The vote is on 11/7, so a group of UK Vapers are planning to meet up with groups from other countries to register our objection the day before.

There are about 20 seats left on the Eurostar, all paid for. The BBC are coming, so we don't want empty spaces.

If anyone is interested, go to the vapourtrails.tv (Google it) forum and look for "Brussels Balloon Job".
 
Ok, after a long time of sitting back watching my friends flip to these.... I'm giving it a go.

Got a freebie pack of E-Lites at the weekend (the price being quite key to making me want to try).

Have to say, maybe there are better products out there, but this is a bit of a revelation to me.

Although maybe I need some more equipment as I am anxiously staring at the light on the charger at the moment :)
 
E-lites may not be the best place to start for someone whose smoked for a while, not too much flavour or vapour.

I quickly moved to a carton user system and after three months treated myself to a tw odyssey.

It will be four months tomorrow without a cig, prior to that smoked 25+ a day for twenty three plus years.

Good luck and don't worry if you don't quit straight away.
 
I was a smoker since the age of 13..........many many years ago, last year I started to feel ill and felt that I couldn't get my breath, so I decided to give these a go an did what lots of people do and bought some of the E lites which were absolute rubbish, so back onto the ciggies, and feeling rubbish, but not wanting to give in I bought one of the ego kits and that was the beginning of the end of smoking for me, I got a decent atomiser (nova mini) and then moved on with the money I was saving.......my current set up is a Joyetech evic with Cobra sat on top, a Sigelei V4 vamo with an array of drippers and carts and an ego V 2 mega for work, I now cant even stand the smell of a real cig, how disgusting I must have smelled for all those years, best move I ever made and can honestly say I feel great now.
 
Interesting guys, thanks. I only picked these up as they sponsor a certain race series and were handing them out last weekend :-)

I think the initial outlay is a bit scary...although I know it's cheaper in the long run
 
desantnik said:
Interesting guys, thanks. I only picked these up as they sponsor a certain race series and were handing them out last weekend :-)

I think the initial outlay is a bit scary...although I know it's cheaper in the long run
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You can get an ego battery, a decent clearomiser and a charge cable for about £20 if you shop around. Add £4-5 for 10ml of juice and you're off. My monthly cost (juice and consumables) is now down to about £15 tops, although its taken a while and an investment in repairable/rebuildable hardware to do it.
 
One of the things which clouds the whole issue is that all of this is big money - really big money.

Somewhere in between the Tax Man's coffers, the tabacco industry and the e-cig industry is a massive financial war that expends millions trying to sway things in their favour.

Because of that, the actual truth is largely supressed - at the cost of the consumer.

And I'm not saying that any of them aren't lying either!
 
desantnik said:
And I'm not saying that any of them aren't lying either!
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The WHO tweeted a string of blatant lies and scaremongering half-thruths on the day before the EU vote. Loads of us challenged them, with links to studies, and our replies were deleted.

Just a week before, a WHO rep in the Philippines advised users to go back to cigarettes because "they have filters which stop nicotine reaching the lungs"! Yep! There's some big pharma and tobacco money being thrown at this.
 
Johnd2000 said:
Long shot, I know, but does anyone here want to come to Brussels on the 10th July to protest against the ecig regulation in the Tobacco Products Directive? The vote is on 11/7, so a group of UK Vapers are planning to meet up with groups from other countries to register our objection the day before.

There are about 20 seats left on the Eurostar, all paid for. The BBC are coming, so we don't want empty spaces.

If anyone is interested, go to the vapourtrails.tv (Google it) forum and look for "Brussels Balloon Job".
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why would you want to protest against regulation from what is basically a drug.
 
POAH said:
why would you want to protest against regulation from what is basically a drug.
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Because nicotine is a drug in the same way as caffeine (and should fall under the same rules as coffee), and the ecig people are advocating for the same food type regulation, there appear to be forces at work (the tobacco industry for one) who would prefer to see it legislated as a drug and thereby legislated out of normal usage.

I'm not a smoker, or a ecig user, but I have seen a 30+ a day smoker cut down to less than 10 a day overnight with the help of an ecig. I would add they have tried all the other nicotine replacement products and failed.

I have researched into the eliquid, and so far can't see a reason to try and make it a scheduled drug or even classed as a tobacco product. Doing so is only going to play into big tobaccos hands.
 
don't get me wrong they do provide a help to those who want to quit smoking but you are still taking in nicotine which ain't exactly healthy.
 
POAH said:
don't get me wrong they do provide a help to those who want to quit smoking but you are still taking in nicotine which ain't exactly healthy.
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I'm assuming you don't drink coffee, wine or have the occasional pint.

Nicotine on its own albeit addictive is not especially harmful to the body, much the same as alcohol. The problem lies with the additional drugs and chemicals added to cigarettes/cigars which are removed via ecigs.
 
TheNissanMan said:
I'm assuming you don't drink coffee, wine or have the occasional pint.

Nicotine on its own albeit addictive is not especially harmful to the body, much the same as alcohol. The problem lies with the additional drugs and chemicals added to cigarettes/cigars which are removed via ecigs.
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very rarely drink alcohol, decaf coffee in the house lol. nicotine has effects on metabolism and insulin release
 
POAH said:
why would you want to protest against regulation from what is basically a drug.
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Because:

a) They're not medicines
b) it will hand the entire industry over to the only people who can afford the licensing process (Pharma and Tobacco).
c) The cig-alikes sold by tobacco cos are rubbish.
d) the MHRA don't approve of flavours or visible vapour, so "approved" devices will be handicapped.
e) it will make ecigs less available than cigarettes
f) as medicines, they'll be available to people over the age of 12.
g) millions will die

There are a few other reasons if you need more. ;-)
 
POAH said:
don't get me wrong they do provide a help to those who want to quit smoking but you are still taking in nicotine which ain't exactly healthy.
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Ain't exactly unhealthy either. In fact, there are recognised benefits for people with early-stage dementia (which I'm due to get if I don't die from tobacco first!).
 
Having read through this thread a couple of times now, I must say that,
on balance,
I'm tempted to try one of these e-cig thingies.

As a 20-ish a day guy, for more years than I want to admit,
and having tried other nicotine replacements,
and having found that I was spending more on the gum, than cigarettes,
I don't see the harm in trying.
/ Off to do more web searching :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
Having read through this thread a couple of times now, I must say that,
on balance,
I'm tempted to try one of these e-cig thingies.
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Just found a new source with free posting and a 7.5% discount code.

Quite well priced, ego batteries for £9.99 (£4 cheaper than the last one I ordered), and easy fill cartomisers for £5.99.

http://www.goforsmoke.com/

Code is G4SUK
 
I'm using the ego Ce5 I think it's called.... 5 weeks now and it's the best thing ever!

I get quite excited trying new flavours too lol
Cheesecake, Irish cream and lemon blueberry cotton candy so far are my favs!
 
Dave1 said:
Just found a new source with free posting and a 7.5% discount code.

Quite well priced, ego batteries for £9.99 (£4 cheaper than the last one I ordered), and easy fill cartomisers for £5.99.

http://www.goforsmoke.com/

Code is G4SUK
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Thanks Dave I'll check it out :thumbs:
 
I've popped in and out of this thread a few times. Obviously thinking of giving it a try but still too confused about the range of products available. At the moment i smoke roll ups and can easily get through 40+ a day if I'm outside enough.
What would be the general recommendation to get me started? And what sort of quantities of liquid would I be looking at getting through?
 
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