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my new canon 7d mkii has dust spots when I look through the eye piece ,the lens is clean,the debri does not come out in the photos but it's very annoying,the mirror appears clean,Do you think it's best to get the camera cleaned in a shop,thanks in advance.
 
my new canon 7d mkii has dust spots when I look through the eye piece ,the lens is clean,the debri does not come out in the photos but it's very annoying,the mirror appears clean,Do you think it's best to get the camera cleaned in a shop,thanks in advance.
I would say so. It's a difficult area to get to and you could damage the focussing screen if you try it yourself. As a new camera you might be able to get it done under warranty.
 
If a rocket blower won't fix it and if you can't get it done for free, learn to ignore it. It will never be visible in images, because it isn't in the path between the lens and sensor.
 
These are the tools I use to clean a sensor and mirror

So what do I do??? it may give some guidance for those wanting to clean their own.

First of all I make sure I am working somewhere there is no dust,ie kitchen, and then allow plenty of time, its a job that needs a bit of care but nothing the average photographer can't tackle themselves. So often I read that a camera is sent away for cleaning as if there is some magic in doing it. Well there isn't and I just can't see any reason for being without a camera for at least a couple of weeks and paying not only for postage but what a company charges for doing it. With the kit in the photo is all you need and the cost occassionally of ordering more fluid (above will last years) and a couple of wiping pads packs

Sometimes its just dust on the lens that needs attention and cleaning them is dead simple so won't do a breakdown of that.

Ok as I have said earlier having a "loupe" (the black round object) makes the job so much easier and I would dare to suggest it is on bit of kit every photographer should have, I used to do the trick of photographing a white sheet of A4 paper then checking the digital photo of it. Yes it works but does mean having to keep going from taking a photo to checking it as I just mentioned. This method is slow to say the least and I soon gave up on that idea.

So we now have the mirror locked up to check for dust, as you can see I do have a rocket blower but reluctant to use it as it can stir up more dust in the camera body and make matters worse. If intended to use this bit of kit make sure the camera is facing downwards first

So onto using the" loupe" which in reality is just a magnifying glass that has built in lights which is placed over the opening which the lens fits into. With the mirror locked up it is easy to see minute dust particles on the sensor. Dust particles can be from a small hair to light dust to really stuck on bits of dirt and each is generally easily recognisable through a Loupe. Dealing with a small hair or light dust one has a choice of ways to remove it. First is the blower method which I am not keen on and the second method is by using the Artic Butterfly; thats the pen like thing in the picture with a brush on the end. Its different from an ordinary brush as it builds up static electricity because inside there is a small motor which makes it spin. Spinning it for about 5 second builds up enough static to allow the brush to attract any loose dust when gently wiped across the sensor face. After each pass the brush should be removed and again spun to shake off any dust it may have attracted. This method I prefer as it only cleans the sensor and any other loose dust in the camera body remains.

Of course you can buy a pen with a brush one one end and a rubber pad on the other (only costs a few pence) but having tried using it I soon gave up, the brush only moves dust from one side of a sensor to the other and doesn't do anything else. The rubber type other end just leave a mark on the sensor which causes more work to remove it

Ok now for stubborn dirt against just dust and we are starting to talk about wet wipes . Again in the photo you will see special fluids for the job which can easily be obtain on the web. I use two types of wiping instruments, for use of a better word, first is the one that looks like a cotton bud but its not. This I use just to clean a spot not the whole sensor. Just as with using he spade type it only needs a minute drop of fluid on the tip , drenching it will make the sensor harder to dry/clean. The spade type again just a small drop of fluid and with it one wipe in one direction and check the sensor. Here I have read then the wiping blade should be discarded, I tend to ignore that and after checking it for cleanliness use it again with the other side. I just can't see any reason why it can't be used many times providing it is clean and won't scratch the sensor, but that choice is up to the individual of course. Word of caution, don't try and press too hard with whichever dirt cleaning tool used, far better to go over several times than trying to do it in one wipe. Never ever use a cotton bud as an alternative its not designed for the job and WILL leave small hairs.
After each operation just check to see the dust/dirt has gone ,you don't want to clean a sensor that's already clean. Make sure you have a fully charged battery to keep the mirror locked up.

Just a brief note on where other dirt/dust may show up. One is the mirror, easily checked if the dirt shows in the view finder but not on the photo, Cleaning is again easy by using one of the aforementoined wipes and if necessary a bit of fluid. I just gently manually lift the mirror to do the underside, just treat it like cleaning a sensor. The other place I have come across is the camera body side of the viewfinder lens, easily found obviously and this may need a bit of a wipe as well but usually needs no attention



View looking through Loupe at sensor ( red dot is from the other camera I took photo with).

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As you can see with the use of a loupe, sensor examination is made that much easier

Loupe with lights on

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Artic butterfly

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Why do your own? Well you don't have to be without your camera and you know the sensor is cleaned to your satisfaction. Also once you have the cleaning equipment there is zero cost for ever more except for buying replacement batteries and swabs etc.

Hope this is of some help and guidance as sensorcleaning is not hard . Just allow time and patience and the job is done.

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Complete cleaning kit


Having gone through all that do you get the same with another lens?
It could be dust the other side of the eyepiece and a rocket blower might just shift it. However i suspect if it is not on the photos sounds as if it is in the mirror, easy enough to clean BOTH sides with a swap.

Possible causes of dust problems

Changing lenses outside
lens with bellows type range (mm) adjustment
leaving lens camera caps off
 
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The dust is in the camera probably on the prism - ignore it. like grey hairs they are a sign of age.
 
Dust that's visible through the viewfinder is almost certainly on the underside of the focusing screen, above the mirror. Small dust spots anywhere else in the light path are too blurred to be clearly visible, and that includes on the lens, in the lens, on the mirror or viewfinder eyepiece. Basically, if you can see dust through the viewfinder, that's where it is; if it appears on output images and prints etc, it's on the sensor. Note that the image on the sensor is inverted, so a dust mark on the top-right of the image will be on the bottom-right of the sensor as you look through the lens mount.

I use a Giottos rocket blower, but be careful not to touch the focusing screen. This is the surface where the image is sharply focused (hence you can clearly see dust particles on it) and has a minutely ridged surface that is very easy to damage, leaving permanent marks.

Dust is a fact of life with all interchangeable lens cameras. Get used to it, work around it, or clean it when you have to.
 
I had the same problem with bits of crap showing when i looked through my VF, none of it came out in the photos, none of it was on the mirror or sensor. It's in the VF itself. When i eventually take my camera in for cleaning i'll get the VF cleaned too but up until that point i just ignore it.
 
Update,took the camera into Jessops for a clean £30 ,came back in one hour and they told me I've marked the ? Not the mirror or the sensor, the bit of the inside of the viewer,they've cleaned the dust,They told me a new one costs about £60 and they can fit it in minutes,now I know I'll never touch it again,lol but can put up with it as they are now very faint marks.Oh and they didn't charge me.
 
Update,took the camera into Jessops for a clean £30 ,came back in one hour and they told me I've marked the ? Not the mirror or the sensor, the bit of the inside of the viewer,they've cleaned the dust,They told me a new one costs about £60 and they can fit it in minutes,now I know I'll never touch it again,lol but can put up with it as they are now very faint marks.Oh and they didn't charge me.


How is it even possible to mark the INSIDE of a VF if it is impossible to get in there to clean it ?
 
Update,took the camera into Jessops for a clean £30 ,came back in one hour and they told me I've marked the ? Not the mirror or the sensor, the bit of the inside of the viewer,they've cleaned the dust,They told me a new one costs about £60 and they can fit it in minutes,now I know I'll never touch it again,lol but can put up with it as they are now very faint marks.Oh and they didn't charge me.

I said the focusing screen was delicate. Too late!

You have a 7D MkII? Focusing screens are user-interchangeable on that model, easy, takes seconds. Cost £30. Lots of demo vids on YouTube, dead simple job.
 
I dropped my 7D when it was 1 month old and got this fault, Canon changed several parts under warranty but it was never rectified, I just learnt to live with it.
 
They cleaned the dust spots off which makes it better,I think I just touched it while trying to blow the debri off,I could see it but couldn't remove it.

Forgot to add I'm a 19 stone, clumsy and as agile as a hippo.
 
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