Dundee Wedding Photographer - Finaly got going

Barry - I just wanted to say congratulations on making the business a success. There has been a lot of comments on here about how much you should charge and what you should be doing instead BUT at the end of the day it's your business and you seem to have connected with your market and your clients needs. Well done for making it a success.

Personally I think some of the sepia pics are overdone and I would suggest that as the number of weddings increases you replace some images to give a greater mix of clients. Edit them hard to show a really good representation of your style, don't overwhelm the customer with too many pictures

One thing I would consider is to resize your thumbnails, currently (on a Mac) they are displaying a cropped picture, which in some cases is unflattering. I would have thought that a correct sized small image, which expands to a full size image, would be a better solution

A small point from a Mac user: The "general enquiries" link is wrapping onto another line in Safari, if you made it "Contact" then that would solve any issues
 
kickstart said:
Barry - I just wanted to say congratulations on making the business a success. There has been a lot of comments on here about how much you should charge and what you should be doing instead BUT at the end of the day it's your business and you seem to have connected with your market and your clients needs. Well done for making it a success.

Personally I think some of the sepia pics are overdone and I would suggest that as the number of weddings increases you replace some images to give a greater mix of clients. Edit them hard to show a really good representation of your style, don't overwhelm the customer with too many pictures

One thing I would consider is to resize your thumbnails, currently (on a Mac) they are displaying a cropped picture, which in some cases is unflattering. I would have thought that a correct sized small image, which expands to a full size image, would be a better solution

A small point from a Mac user: The "general enquiries" link is wrapping onto another line in Safari, if you made it "Contact" then that would solve any issues
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thanks for the encouraging comment!

I have changed the link to just enquiries. I have safari installed on my pc here and it now looks fine.

Thanks again for the heads up.

The small images in the pages are generated when i upload a photograph. I have written a script that crops reduces the size of the image to around 600 wide and the it finds the centre of the image then recrops it to 200x200 so that all the images are the same size. I used to have 2 pages, one for portrait and one for landscape orientation but the pages looked untidy. I prefer it how it is now and I do see the issue with some of the images being badly cropped but when a person clicks on any image it does turn in to a slide show type affair.

I an trying to improve the site all the time but its hard to keep everyone happy and so far i have had more good than bad feedback.. infact i took on 1 more wedding this morning so all cant be bad.
 
I totally agree with all the comments you have had here, expect the bit about lovely shots. Sorry but in my opinion, your work is pretty poor, unsharp, underexposed, grainy, and in some cases out of focus. Converting to sepia is likely a "solution" to a bad photograph. The 40d is a consumer camera, it will not perform well at low light levels, the lenses are cheap and plastic and again wont perform at low light locations. Just wait until you get a winter Wedding in a dark Church and see how you get on.

On a positive note I am glad you have removed the blog, I read it first time round and it was very agressive and angry sounding which will put clients off.

A web search shows that your site is doing well in search engines which is good but please compare yourself to other local photographers in Dundee, look at their work, it's sharp, perfectly exposed, they show a good range of Weddings taken in different conditions - there is no comparrison to yours I am afraid. Whilst we all appreciate the need to build a folio why dont you ask other photographers if you can shadow them or help out at Weddings, you'll learn a great deal and not risk a customers special days memories due to inexperience.

As for the price, there is no way that you can continue even if you get 50 weddings at £500 each year, the likelyhood is that you'll get the £150 packages then you'll be snookered. Once you take off replacement of equipment, (asuming you buy decent cameras and lenses) advertising, accountancy, travel etc - the figures dont stack up I am afraid.

Sorry to be so negative but you have put yourself here and asked, it is purely my opinion but as someone that has made a living from photography for a long time I reckon I have learned a few things on the way.

If you want to see what I mean, compare your work to people like Archibald Photography, Gordon Mceowan, Elemental Weddings etc - the true masters - no comparison.
 
yawn, did you dig this thread up just for a go or do you have anything to add to it?
 
Something strange here.....1st post??!?!
 
1st post, mail handler account..
 
....troll.... and the 40D is a "prosumer" camera, not "consumer" if we're being pedantic. It's also perfectly capable in low light with the right lens in the right hands...
 
neo2810 said:
....troll.... and the 40D is a "prosumer" camera, not "consumer" if we're being pedantic. It's also perfectly capable in low light with the right lens in the right hands...
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I was just about to say that. Best ignored I think :)
 
neo2810 said:
....troll.... and the 40D is a "prosumer" camera, not "consumer" if we're being pedantic. It's also perfectly capable in low light with the right lens in the right hands...
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I now have a sigma 24-70 f/2.8 which im sure is good enough for low light..

People like my photographs and my prices. What can I say... People will slag me for ever for the prices but it feeds me and my family. Dundee is not a big place so travel is not an issue. I tell everyone who asks me to shoot their wedding that I will be more of an invited guest who is taking all of the best photographs for them and not a strict Wedding Photographer with all the formals etc.. (I also tell them that I would call it reportage photography but words like this in the wrong hands could give the wrong impression).

I charge extra for travel outside 20m radius of Dundee - it says so on my site.

If I book 52 weddings for 1 year I will earn an average of £400 per week. As far as I am concerned that is a decent wage for around 2 days work per week.

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Edit: forgot to say I am also using a 50mm prime f/1.8 - if that isnt good enough for low light then I would like to know what is ?
 
I'm not far from Dundee, where about are you opening a shop? there's only a couple already I think.
 
The 70-200 2.8 is a nice lens but not that great in low light. You need to maintain a shutter speed of at least 1/200th for it to be useful.

That's why I got the IS version - that really is useful in low light. 3 stops more useful (discounting fast moving subject which you don't really get at a wedding)
 
Yeah I tried out that lens and wasn't too impressed I have to say! But Reading the other posts certainly seems to be an improvement for you, I'd probably have got the 24-70 2.8 first, you should see a difference with it though let us know how you got on.
 
I think sometimes people think they're getting a good deal, when they're not.

Someone asked me to look at her wedding photos as they were 'delighted' with them, and wanted to know what I thought. They were awful. Absolutely awful. (I didn't tell her this though). Yet, she was so happy with them, obviously 1. Not knowing any better and 2. The photos remind her of a very happy day and she likes remembering it. She paid £250. The photographer hadn't ever shadowed, just jumped into weddings. I could tell.

I don't think it always matters if the clients are happy and you are getting lots of business in that that's the end of it. It's also about producing a great picture, that YOU know is a great picture, and not just from a non-photographer view who doesn't know better. I really don't understand how someone could be selfish enough to go ahead when so many people have offered advice of 'shadow first, learn more, you need more practice' etc. Some photographers on here have been doing it for years.

If any of that makes sense. Personally, I would feel so much guilt, but I am a perfectionist.

(Not sure if this was needed or not, but hey, i'm a woman, i'm gonna give my opinion :D)
 
MissV said:
I think sometimes people think they're getting a good deal, when they're not.

Someone asked me to look at her wedding photos as they were 'delighted' with them, and wanted to know what I thought. They were awful. Absolutely awful. (I didn't tell her this though). Yet, she was so happy with them, obviously 1. Not knowing any better and 2. The photos remind her of a very happy day and she likes remembering it. She paid £250. The photographer hadn't ever shadowed, just jumped into weddings. I could tell.

I don't think it always matters if the clients are happy and you are getting lots of business in that that's the end of it. It's also about producing a great picture, that YOU know is a great picture, and not just from a non-photographer view who doesn't know better. I really don't understand how someone could be selfish enough to go ahead when so many people have offered advice of 'shadow first, learn more, you need more practice' etc. Some photographers on here have been doing it for years.

If any of that makes sense. Personally, I would feel so much guilt, but I am a perfectionist.

(Not sure if this was needed or not, but hey, i'm a woman, i'm gonna give my opinion :D)
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I replied to this post this morning via my blackberry and i covered it well.. but the forum signed me out so here we go again.

Last year I emailed around 75 wedding photographers from around Scotland asking them if i could come to a wedding with them and not take any photographs but watch them in action so i could maybe pick up some tips and get some first hand advice. The replies i got from the photographers were appalling. Some of them swore at me telling me i was killing the business off. Some of them said that they had not time for me and that i should quickly give up trying to get into wedding photography as there was no space for my services. Another guy replied saying to me he was sick of people like me trying to step in on his turf and the rest of the email could not be repeated here.

One woman (which i thought was kinda funny) said to me that she could not afford to take me along as she spends so much money on advertising and wedding fairs that she barely makes any profit from any weddings at all. I was tempted to offer her a custom made optimised website to help her out (as this has been my business for many years) but I just smirked and moved on to the next offensive email. If she is doing so much advertising and not making nay money, she is either charging to much or not focusing her efforts in the correct place.

Now, i have been running my own business for many years and I know what this meant. The people who replied to me were just arse holes and they were annoyed at me for trying to get in to a business that is already flooded with amateurs posing as professional photographers.

When people contact me to do their wedding photography I know they are contacting me because of my prices and because they are a little skint. If they had the money they would probably phone you and ask for your services but they dont so my email inbox is full of couples looking to get my photography services.

There are obviously many different grades and levels of photographer and there is a market for all of them. It just so happens that just now I am at the bottom of the pile trying to get better and my prices reflect this for now. In the future when I move up a level or progress to the next stage whatever that may be, there will always be some one just below me who is ready to offer the exact same services, the exact same level of experience and the exact same prices as i am currently offering simply because the market is calling out for it.

I am sure that you did not suddenly pick up your camera and instantly start taking great photographs at weddings and if you did have some assistance from some other wedding photographer who has experience then lucky you. I on the other hand have not had this luxury but I have been in the business of dealing with the public for many years and im sure that a great part of the wedding photography business is public relations and being able to deal with people at a moments notice. I now have 22 weddings booked for this year and if this does not give me the experience i need to become a better (not professional) wedding photographer then I must either be a total air head who cant learn anything or simply be not caring about people and simply doing it for the quick money fix. Neither of these is the case as i am in this for the long haul.

So far the couple i have shot have thought my pictures were very good value for money and they are very happy with me and my services. If people complain i will adapt to what is required. For now my prices tell people i am learning the trade. When I put my prices up to £1000 + it will be justified. I do not intend to take money for old rope.


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And now to answer the post from hoopy

The other day I bought a 24-70 f/2.8 from ebay which had a sticky ring (ha ha that's funny). The focusing mechanism is a little tight so i have sent it away to sigma to get fixed. I got the lens for £75 and sigma have told me they will fix it back to out of the box standard for only £80 and i get a 6 month warranty too. I have checked a good few places on the net for the lens and found it is selling for £300 upwards so im pretty delighted with the buy. I currently have a 18-70 canon lens but its a little slow at f/4 + but it has done me well at the previous weddings and its a good fun walk about lens as I found the other day while out 'walking about'.

this is the lens in question

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-24-70mm-f-2.8-EX-DG-Lens-Review.aspx

i had a little play with it the day I got it and I really like it. i took it with me on my walk round or walk about what ever you want to call it, and got some great shots with it. Seems good and sharp and is reasonably fast to focus too.

Should get it back in a week or so so ill add more here when i have more to say. In the mean time I should get the new 70-200 lens on tuesday which i am looking forward too. If it is not the lens i need or like I will flog it off and get a better one. Im not going to go for an L lens until i get a better camera but to be honest with my self I really like the 40d i have and i still really like the 20d i have too and i enjoy using them simply because i am used to using them. Will a 7d or a 5d mark 2 be the same? i dont know?.

Also according to what i have read so far, an l lens is only for full frame cams and obviously my cameras are not full frame.
 
MissV said:
I think sometimes people think they're getting a good deal, when they're not.

Someone asked me to look at her wedding photos as they were 'delighted' with them, and wanted to know what I thought. They were awful. Absolutely awful. (I didn't tell her this though). Yet, she was so happy with them, obviously 1. Not knowing any better and 2. The photos remind her of a very happy day and she likes remembering it. She paid £250. The photographer hadn't ever shadowed, just jumped into weddings. I could tell.

I don't think it always matters if the clients are happy and you are getting lots of business in that that's the end of it. It's also about producing a great picture, that YOU know is a great picture, and not just from a non-photographer view who doesn't know better. I really don't understand how someone could be selfish enough to go ahead when so many people have offered advice of 'shadow first, learn more, you need more practice' etc. Some photographers on here have been doing it for years.

If any of that makes sense. Personally, I would feel so much guilt, but I am a perfectionist.

(Not sure if this was needed or not, but hey, i'm a woman, i'm gonna give my opinion :D)
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i forgot to ask you if you have a website? can i see it so i can see your 'perfect' images ?

I think perfection is a matter of opinion.
 
Can we remember to keep this all nice and civil please.

Point of note Barry, L lenses are not just for full frame cameras.
 
barry100 said:
i forgot to ask you if you have a website? can i see it so i can see your 'perfect' images ?

I think perfection is a matter of opinion.
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I never said anywhere I take perfect images. You're very defensive.
 
MissV said:
I never said anywhere I take perfect images. You're very defensive.
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no im not defensive. im realistic. You threw the first punch above so I am just airing my opinion. You suggested i am not giving people a good deal. That is the decision of the person who buys in to the service.

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Hi matty. Is it really worth spending the money on a full frame lens for a non full frame camera? I have thought about getting a L lens but will it really be the dogs danglers on my 40d?

If I thought that having a L lens on my 40d in comparison to the lenses I have and that it would suddenly improve my photography so much that the other lenses become useless, then I would sell all of them and get a couple of l lenses. Is it worth it?

I have 4 lenses just now (i just sold my 28-300) and i recon i can get enough money from them to buy a 24-70 L lens but will it be the be all and end all of lenses for weddings etc?
 
There are lots of different markets for lots of different people with photography. Anyone not considered value will be found out pretty quickly. Good luck to anyone however they choose to approach their own business.

Barry spend your money on good lenses - they'll benefit every camera. Invest well and you won't lose much money.
 
one thing i have noticed here all the pros with the big expensive cameras/lenses dont like people with 1 camera and not AS expensive lenses getting in on weding and other photography shoots..... why??!

everyone has to start somewhere - lay off a bit and you willl find encouraging people is far more postitive. :/
 
barry100 said:
If I book 52 weddings for 1 year I will earn an average of £400 per week. As far as I am concerned that is a decent wage for around 2 days work per week.
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How does that work out?

Assuming that each of your bookings takes your full price package of £500, by the time you've taken off

Tax / NI
Equipment overheads
Vehicle / Travel
Insurance
Consumables
etc, etc, etc

You'll be left with a lot less.

Are you seriously suggesting that you're working at over 80% profit margin?
 
suze23 said:
one thing i have noticed here all the pros with the big expensive cameras/lenses dont like people with 1 camera and not AS expensive lenses getting in on weding and other photography shoots..... why??!

everyone has to start somewhere - lay off a bit and you willl find encouraging people is far more postitive. :/
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'all the pros'?

That sort of generalisation is no better than those you've just slated.
 
Radiohead said:
'all the pros'?

That sort of generalisation is no better than those you've just slated.
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ok those that have the nice expensive lenses.

i havent slated anyone thanks it was just how it came out.

I dont see what the problem is having kit lenses and doing weddings etc - as long as customers are happy with the pictures does it really matter what lens was used?

eta - i dont do weddings before you ask lol
 
suze23 said:
one thing i have noticed here all the pros with the big expensive cameras/lenses dont like people with 1 camera and not AS expensive lenses getting in on weding and other photography shoots..... why??!

everyone has to start somewhere - lay off a bit and you willl find encouraging people is far more postitive. :/
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Suze, one of the reasons many pros try to encourage people to have more than one body is so that they have backup if one body fails. Just imagine, if you're part way through a wedding, your camera packs in. What do you do, tell them "sorry, I can't take any more pictures of your big day", just as they are coming out of the church?

I did my first wedding last year and the first thing I did after being booked was to buy a second body. So yes, everybody starts somewhere. I did, with 2 bodies. ;)
 
barry100 said:
Hi matty. Is it really worth spending the money on a full frame lens for a non full frame camera? I have thought about getting a L lens but will it really be the dogs danglers on my 40d?

If I thought that having a L lens on my 40d in comparison to the lenses I have and that it would suddenly improve my photography so much that the other lenses become useless, then I would sell all of them and get a couple of l lenses. Is it worth it?

I have 4 lenses just now (i just sold my 28-300) and i recon i can get enough money from them to buy a 24-70 L lens but will it be the be all and end all of lenses for weddings etc?
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eh? better lenses wont make better pictures, but will make images with better image quality. I dont think L lenses are exclusive to full frame either..and a 24-70 is a very worthwhile investment...
 
barry100 said:
Last year I emailed around 75 wedding photographers from around Scotland asking them if i could come to a wedding with them and not take any photographs but watch them in action so i could maybe pick up some tips and get some first hand advice. The replies i got from the photographers were appalling. Some of them swore at me telling me i was killing the business off. Some of them said that they had not time for me and that i should quickly give up trying to get into wedding photography as there was no space for my services. Another guy replied saying to me he was sick of people like me trying to step in on his turf and the rest of the email could not be repeated here.
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did you get any polite replies?

sorry missed the bit about the 24-70 2.8 lens, I think you'll find those much easier to work with, especially in low light
 
Barry
Whilst I understand what you're doing, you don't do yourself any favours with the things you say! Not understanding equipment for a start. Why would you think L lenses are for FF cameras? Not only do they make images of better IQ, they allow you to make images you otherwise could not take.

Also why do you think any photographer would work with you? Maybe not nice of people to be rude but they are making their livings (or trying to) out of weddings and for someone else to move in, they wouldn't want that!

That said what you need to do is get some training. Shooting your 22 weddings might help you get used to shooting weddings but won't help you get the best for your clients in terms of posing, use of flash, exposure and business. I know you've run a business but a photography business is not the same...... Maybe in parts.

To Suze, as stated above it's not about lens snobbery at all. It's about responsibility, professionalism and plain peace of mind!

When shooting weddings you need to be able to produce the goods. An f4-5.6 lens just aint gonna cut it in a fdark church and no flash allowed. Fast lenses are required and to be honest even f2.8 in some churches isn't enough - fast primes would be better (and not necessarily expensive ones - look at the 501.4 or 851.8)

So a photographer HAS TO be prepared for all situations.

A back up body and backup lenses are not a luxury items at a wedding, they are MUST HAVE items in case of disaster. I got a call from a friend doing a wedding and her camera broke whilst in the brides house - no backup!! Lucky I was free and I had to do the wedding!

So the responsibility is on the photographers shoulder.

Having the right kit is just the professional thing to do. You don't need to be a Pro shooter but that doesn'yt mean you should not act with professionalism and have the right kit for the job.

Finally peace of mind means you can relax more, knowing if things go wrong you have the kit there to back up. Say your flash suddenly dies, you should have a second to see you through.
Regards
Jim
 
theres some great advice in this thread that would be valuable to anyone thinking of starting out, I wish I'd had a lot of this advice when starting out!, that said, I did have an hnd in photography and 2nd shoot for 2 years first, invaluable experience!
 
Hi All,
I am not a wedding tog [although I have done a couple], nor am I a pro. I do however agree with previous posts about the quality of kit and the importance of back ups. I was doing a friends party a few years ago and my camera [40D] packed up. I had no back up then but fortunately wasn't far from a friends house and was able to borrow her camera! At a wedding it would have been a disaster and it was a mistake I have never repeated. I take two of everything now!! Two sets of batteries all fully charged for flash and camera. Kit wise I take a 24-70L for general close ups, a 30mm 1.4L for low light and 70-200L 2.8 IS on a separate body. [And sandwiches, pork pies and chewy bars :)]!

The quality of lenses and 'speed' of lenses can't be understated particularly in poor light where no flash is allowed, you can get the 'good' shot that you will really struggle with any other. The image quality of the L lenses is superb but thats not to say that you can't get great results from other lenses. For me get good kit and you only have yourself to blame if the shots are not good! And of course thats the final and most important factor the photographer, their experience, technique and appreciation of sublect and light. Thats the bit I am learning.......;)

As to the OP's new business, yes I can understand where he is coming from. Like many of us who run our own business you learn so much as you go along, the wise however learn from those who know more. It is much easier, I think, to look backwards and comment from a position of knowledge and authority!

Cheers,

Dunc
 
barry100 said:
Hi matty. Is it really worth spending the money on a full frame lens for a non full frame camera? I have thought about getting a L lens but will it really be the dogs danglers on my 40d?

If I thought that having a L lens on my 40d in comparison to the lenses I have and that it would suddenly improve my photography so much that the other lenses become useless, then I would sell all of them and get a couple of l lenses. Is it worth it?

I have 4 lenses just now (i just sold my 28-300) and i recon i can get enough money from them to buy a 24-70 L lens but will it be the be all and end all of lenses for weddings etc?
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Barry, the quality of L lenses really is noticeable, once you get the lens you will comletely forget about just how much they cost, they really are well built and image quality is excellent from them.

If you sell all your lenses to get the 24-70, would you be left using only that lens? I personally would want something to go longer than that, and 24mm on a crop camera isn't that wide, so I'd want something wider too. I'm not hugely familair with Canon's lens range so maybe someone else can advise a little better..
 
Barry, you have a lot of balls to do what you have done setting yourself up with the experience and kit you had and then posting on here which has never been a nice place for those wanting to become wedding togs. In fact wedding photographer posts anywhere seem to get the same response so it isn't just here.

The main reason I am on here is because I have been asked to shoot a wedding, 3 weeks after getting my 500D kit a friend of my Mum and Dad saw me with my new camera and decided I was the person to take their wedding photographs. I wasn't for doing it no way after reading up about it and everything not a chance, I didn't have the kit to do it to start nor the knowledge. Anyway I told them no and they said they wouldn't be having a photographer then and would just ask everyone for the photos they took of the day. Making me feel bad. So then I decided I would look in to it more and see what was involved and it made me think even more about why not to do it. First I needed faster glass as a kit lens wouldn't cut it, 24-70 and 70-200 2.8IS purchased. I also got a 10-22mm just for good measure as I like wide angle. Next was how everyone insisted on a backup so I started looking for a 2nd body I had really wanted an upgrade rather than the same or older but after spending on lenses I was able to pick up a 450D with a few extra bits I had been wanting to buy. I know not wedding tog bodies but I'm not a wedding tog and have no intention of being one I'm just doing it as a favour but I want to do a good job of it so decided to splash a bit of cash and make sure I couldn't screw it up due to equipment being unsuitable or failing. I now just need to learn what to do, I have booked myself on a course and am looking for another course and to shadow someone or even just observe a wedding tog in action.

Did I mention this was an unpaid job? My invite to the wedding arrived last week which puzzled me slightly.
 
Little John said:
Barry, you have a lot of balls to do what you have done setting yourself up with the experience and kit you had and then posting on here which has never been a nice place for those wanting to become wedding togs. In fact wedding photographer posts anywhere seem to get the same response so it isn't just here.

The main reason I am on here is because I have been asked to shoot a wedding, 3 weeks after getting my 500D kit a friend of my Mum and Dad saw me with my new camera and decided I was the person to take their wedding photographs. I wasn't for doing it no way after reading up about it and everything not a chance, I didn't have the kit to do it to start nor the knowledge. Anyway I told them no and they said they wouldn't be having a photographer then and would just ask everyone for the photos they took of the day. Making me feel bad. So then I decided I would look in to it more and see what was involved and it made me think even more about why not to do it. First I needed faster glass as a kit lens wouldn't cut it, 24-70 and 70-200 2.8IS purchased. I also got a 10-22mm just for good measure as I like wide angle. Next was how everyone insisted on a backup so I started looking for a 2nd body I had really wanted an upgrade rather than the same or older but after spending on lenses I was able to pick up a 450D with a few extra bits I had been wanting to buy. I know not wedding tog bodies but I'm not a wedding tog and have no intention of being one I'm just doing it as a favour but I want to do a good job of it so decided to splash a bit of cash and make sure I couldn't screw it up due to equipment being unsuitable or failing. I now just need to learn what to do, I have booked myself on a course and am looking for another course and to shadow someone or even just observe a wedding tog in action.

Did I mention this was an unpaid job? My invite to the wedding arrived last week which puzzled me slightly.
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I hate this - the obligation dumped on the poor tog who suddenly feels she/she must now spend more in order to provide a better 'free-service' to a couple who'll be making do with happy-snaps from friends and family.

Say what you like about Barry's work, there is a niche for the level of service he's providing and by the sounds of things providing it very well. We may not like some of his images - I think some aren't very well executed - or that maybe they're just not displaying that well on his website (I couldn't get the to scroll properly, meaning the heads were cropped off many of the images), but there's nothing all that wrong with them either. Some good angles, and a decent amount of coverage from each Wedding, by the look of it.
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The images just seem to concentrate more on a few silly effects rather than the couple. There's potential there.....
 
EOS_JD said:
To not edit your images imo is doing your clients a disservice but at the lower end they probably are not that bothered.
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I have to agree with this. You may not agree with it as a photographer, but Im sure your clients would appreicate some effort in post processing photos if they actually had any knowledge on the subject. Even 5 mins per photo could drastically improve its look on PS RAW editor.

This is also part of the reason that pro photographers charge so much - the immense amount of time they spend on post processing each and every photo. If they didnt process any of the photos, Im sure they could charge the same amount you are as it would leave them with additional time to do more weddings.

I think its in your best interest to try and edit the photos. Here is an example of what 5 mins can do:

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FM1 said:
I have to agree with this. You may not agree with it as a photographer, but Im sure your clients would appreicate some effort in post processing photos if they actually had any knowledge on the subject. Even 5 mins per photo could drastically improve its look on PS RAW editor.

This is also part of the reason that pro photographers charge so much - the immense amount of time they spend on post processing each and every photo. If they didnt process any of the photos, Im sure they could charge the same amount you are as it would leave them with additional time to do more weddings.

I think its in your best interest to try and edit the photos. Here is an example of what 5 mins can do:

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I should have added a bit to my first comment (this is not directed at your image which I like the edit)! But people shouldn't edit images too much. Adding blur, making B&W, etc etc are all nice but in moderation.

Many of the best images are just with added contrast and exposure tweaks if required.
 
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