DSLR's to be the new film cameras?

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As most people know by now, theres alot of 3D equipment coming out. TV's, Camcorders, Cameras...

How long before DSLR's become "old" and we are all using 3D DSLR's?

I doubt Nikon/Canon even has a 3D DSLR in development, but maybe they do?

On the one side I see 3D a bad idea, its just making way for more problems and more expense (I've only just got my D700!!) you also look silly with the 3D specs on!

On the other... Theres room for alot of creativity here. I can see people buying 3D cameras and making some really stunning photos.

Whats your guess?

Edit: I went into a TV shop the other day, tried a 3D TV out just for fun and the guy in the shop said that you can't use the TV without the 3D specs on, meaning theres no "non-3D" mode.
 
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features, no, documentary, no, live production, mostly no.

for indie films, music videos, B camera or rig shots for features, and even some corporate videos etc, they are being very widely used already though. Even the BBC is on a case by case basis approving 5d2 for HD acquisition.

I would imagine that at some point in the next couple years, canon/sony will come out with a video format camera with a big sensor in it, so that it can provide the video style as from dslrs, but with a usable video format, the connections needed for filming etc - at the moment, filming with dslrs is full of compromises, such as:

5d2 doesn't output full HD on hdmi during recording - problem for using follow focus while filming
not the greatest codecs in the world.
dslr lenses are not ideal for video work for a number of reasons, namely 'click stop' aperture rings, and the distance of travel on the focus ring.
12 min or less max limit on many cameras
no xlr inputs
limited choices of frame rates
the actual size and shape of the camera just isn't designed for filming.

There are numerous accessories coming out to get around these, however they are currently still largely costly, and still a compromise at best. A dedicated video camera with a large or full frame sensor will come out soon, but there will always be a 'hobbyist' set of people using slrs for video because they can justify the (cheap!) purchase better for their hobby because it shoots stills too.

Looks like Jannard has redefined and basically abolished the red scarlet, so that's off the playing table for now.

as for 3D.... hollywood likes it as a gimmick that can bring in additional cinema revenues, but for home usage it's not really there yet, the tvs are still too expensive and annoying. And any proper production in 3D uses two cameras anyway, rather than the built in stuff.
 
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AdamPearcey said:
As most people know by now, theres alot of 3D equipment coming out. TV's, Camcorders, Cameras...

How long before DSLR's become "old" and we are all using 3D DSLR's?

I doubt Nikon/Canon even has a 3D DSLR in development, but maybe they do?

On the one side I see 3D a bad idea, its just making way for more problems and more expense (I've only just got my D700!!) you also look silly with the 3D specs on!

On the other... Theres room for alot of creativity here. I can see people buying 3D cameras and making some really stunning photos.

Whats your guess?

Edit: I went into a TV shop the other day, tried a 3D TV out just for fun and the guy in the shop said that you can't use the TV without the 3D specs on, meaning theres no "non-3D" mode.
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Sorry, would just like to correct you... you can watch any content in 2D on a 3D tv WITHOUT the glasses. Depending what model you were looking at you can upscale anything to 3D, with the use of glasses.

;)
 
norvic-boy said:
Sorry, would just like to correct you... you can watch any content in 2D on a 3D tv WITHOUT the glasses. Depending what model you were looking at you can upscale anything to 3D, with the use of glasses.

;)
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Oh right, must have just been the model I was viewing in the store then. :bonk:

Having said that, it was ****ing expensive! I think 40 inch would cost over £1,500.00 and you couldn't use it without the glasses.
Which is an even bigger pain in the ass when you find out it doesn't make normal TV into 3D TV.
So you'd only be able to watch a few selected DVD's
 
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itsdavedotnet said:
And any proper production in 3D uses two cameras anyway, rather than the built in stuff.
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I saw something on YouTube made by DigitalRev, They glued two cameras together to make a 3D camera lol. Was funny but couldn't really tell if it worked or not because I Don't have any 3D glasses.
 
The gadget show used 2 DSLRs on a homemade rig to create a 3d HD short film. Worked quite well actually.
 
A) 3D a passing fad

B)
Toshiba has launched what it claims are the first 3D television sets that do not require special glasses.

The two sets are able to create 3D effects in real time from standard film and television pictures.

The televisions use a special lenticular sheet to create an array of nine overlapping images.

A viewer sees different images with each eye, creating the illusion of a 3D picture
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3) don't buy now as the tech is moving so fast you'll be left behind in under 6 months, if and it's big if 3D does stay, wait a couple of years until all manufactures get their act together.
 
The Xscape centre where I work has had 3d tele/video screens since it opened 4 years ago.

And no, you don't need special specs.
And yes, they will show 2d content too.

Seems the rest of the world needs to catch up a bit.

I'v not watched a 3d tv so don't know how they compare and the 3d content that is shown on them is mainly graphical, like the word Xscape moving around the screen and coming out towards you so possibly they can't do 3d film but seems unlikely if they can do the graphical content so well.
 
3D is the biggest fad ever. Mark my words, it'll be completely gone in a year or two's time and back to IMAX only where it belongs.
 
There are actually TV's that are in development now which are 3d and do not require the use of 3d glasses, not quite sure how it works but it sounds pretty awsome; just can't wait to see them out and about so i can have a look for myself.
 
Not too sure myself.

Anyway, if this is a fad, are companies just using 3D as sort of a short term investment?
The 3D TV I viewed was about 40 inch and was playing 3D Finding Nemo, wasn't all that great.
For a 40 inch TV it rarely seemed to pop out in 3D like it does in the cinema, where for a split second your mind tricks you and you think you could possibly even touch it, because its so big and covers most of your vision.

I'll probably stick with my 2D TV even if its not a fad.
 
Does anyone actually like 3d anyway?
If there's a 3d and a 2d version of a movie in the cinema I'd always goto the 2d.
I find it hard to focus when watching a 3d film and being a spectacle wearer, the requirement for 3d glasses is just a p.i.t.c!
 
AdamPearcey said:
Not too sure myself.

Anyway, if this is a fad, are companies just using 3D as sort of a short term investment?
The 3D TV I viewed was about 40 inch and was playing 3D Finding Nemo, wasn't all that great.
For a 40 inch TV it rarely seemed to pop out in 3D like it does in the cinema, where for a split second your mind tricks you and you think you could possibly even touch it, because its so big and covers most of your vision.

I'll probably stick with my 2D TV even if its not a fad.
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I'v noticed that even at the Imax, the 3 dimensionality of the logo's and branding for the production companies in the credits was far more impressive than the actual film itself.
 
andephotographic said:
I'v noticed that even at the Imax, the 3 dimensionality of the logo's and branding for the production companies in the credits was far more impressive than the actual film itself.
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I noticed this, the Dreamworks logo is stunning in 3D!
 
AdamPearcey said:
I saw something on YouTube made by DigitalRev, They glued two cameras together to make a 3D camera lol. Was funny but couldn't really tell if it worked or not because I Don't have any 3D glasses.
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hah, here's a terrible photo of me cocking about with 2 sony Z1s to see if we could get them the right distance apart to film 3D ;) We never did get a magic arm to rig it and try it out... ergonomics would be awful to say the least though!

Proper productions use two cameras, often at right angles, with a one way mirror, like used in autocues, so that the two cameras offset can be carefully and precisely adjusted without this kind of problem of the cameras not physically not fitting together!

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2 x camera's = stereo vision, not 3D, 3D would be a camera or lens for each dimension ie 3.

Its all old hat and died a death before, hunt around on ebay and you will find old 3D compacts, they worked but 3D is crap, even modern 3D.

Yes at some point DSLR's will become old technology, but that will no doubt be due to a new discovery in sensor technology that will allow much higher resolutions with little or no noise.

Another area thats been ignored is universal digital backs, so that any old film or medium format camera could capture digital raw files, designing it was easy, getting someone to be interested is a no go, no one wants to touch it.
 
It's probably not going to last, although the film industry quite like it so they can charge more for tickets.

Still cameras will have it as a passing fad, as who is going to sit on the train with their ipda and iglasses on, looking at bird pics on TP?

(But don't worry, George Lucas is re-re-re--re-re-re-re-releasing Star Wars in 3D...:shrug:)
 
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hah, here's a terrible photo of me cocking about with 2 sony Z1s to see if we could get them the right distance apart to film 3D ;) We never did get a magic arm to rig it and try it out... ergonomics would be awful to say the least though!

Proper productions use two cameras, often at right angles, with a one way mirror, like used in autocues, so that the two cameras offset can be carefully and precisely adjusted without this kind of problem of the cameras not physically not fitting together!

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LOL he looks like that robot from a film a few years ago!... If only I could remember his name :thinking:
 
itsdavedotnet said:
I would imagine that at some point in the next couple years, canon/sony will come out with a video format camera with a big sensor in it, so that it can provide the video style as from dslrs, but with a usable video format, the connections needed for filming etc - at the moment, filming with dslrs is full of compromises, such as:
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Coming soon the 4:3's version of that from Panasonic.

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4:3's is close enough to a 'full size' movie frame that will allow the camera to use PL mount lenses. And it'll only cost @£4k. Which is probably going to cause Red some sleepless nights!
 
Voyager said:
Coming soon the 4:3's version of that from Panasonic.

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4:3's is close enough to a 'full size' movie frame that will allow the camera to use PL mount lenses. And it'll only cost @£4k. Which is probably going to cause Red some sleepless nights!
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Nope, Jannard has decided to let slrs rule the kinda 'indie' world, he posted a couple weeks ago that the scarlet is going to be delayed and redefined and aimed more towards big productions, and they're concentrating on the EPIC for now.

and the robot you mean is wall-e :)
 
grum said:
Don't think he had much choice there ;)

He also released a slightly lame statement I thought, telling people they should 'man up' and buy RED cameras.
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hah, yeah.... however if the scarlet had been released tomorrow and was even half as awesome as promised, I think we'd see a LOT of 5d2's for sale... :P
 
itsdavedotnet said:
Nope, Jannard has decided to let slrs rule the kinda 'indie' world, he posted a couple weeks ago that the scarlet is going to be delayed and redefined and aimed more towards big productions, and they're concentrating on the EPIC for now.
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What do you mean 'Nope'? Panasonic are just about to sell a video system based on their 4:3's sensor that will kill the professional use of the DSLR video market stone dead and eat into Red (and to a lesser extent Sony and Arri) at the lower end of video production. :cuckoo:
 
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