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well today as the title says, I was stood ordering a coffee at Brands Hatch, 1d with siggy 120-300 attached and a black rapid strap attached to the lens tripod mount.
All of a sudden the camera body detached itself from the lens and fell about 18 inches onto a concrete floor.
I picked it up and tried to turn it on but it was dead, I tried another battery in and it fired up straight away.
When I got back to our caravan I tried to charge the first battery up and after about an hour I tried it in the camera and it works. Any suggestions as to whats going on?
 
I've dropped exactly the same combination. The camera was bomb proof (apart from a scratch). If it's working, I wouldn't stress about it.
 
chris954 said:
black rapid strap attached to the lens tripod mount.
All of a sudden the camera body detached
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DemiLion said:
I've dropped exactly the same combination.
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I have no sympathy. Most camera impact accidents are cause by the type of strap you have chosen to use.

I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid fully realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, They are feeding that fashionable notion that is very cool to have your very expensive swinging around upside down.

The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging a camera upside down creates from a strap creates.

I know I'm a bit of a tech geek but if you are think fashion is more important to creating great images then you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.
 
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redsnappa said:
I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, It has become fashionable and cool to have their camera swing around upside d
The cameras tripod screw hole was never designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging from a strap creates. I thought this was obvious but many mow I realise many people don't. I know hanging your camera upside down from the tripod screw hole fashionable but you know what, it's not for me, I want my camera in one piece a the manufacturer intended.
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They're not worn to be "fashionable" - as you put it.

They're worn like that to make them easier to carry with better weight distribution, so that you don't get a sore neck from carrying it with the neck strap all day! :)
 
redsnappa said:
I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid fully realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, They are feeding that fashionable notion that is very cool to have your very expensive swinging around upside down.

The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging a camera upside down creates from a strap creates.

I know I'm a bit of a tech geek but if you are think fashion is more important to creating great images then you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.
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To be fair, having read the post, it says that the Black Rapid stayed attached to the lens and the body disconnected from it. Maybe the negativity should be aimed towards Canon for their fashionable EF mount?

I've hung most of my medium format film kit from a similar strap using the tripod mount and haven't had any issues (maybe I'm just lucky).
 
redsnappa said:
I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid fully realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, They are feeding that fashionable notion that is very cool to have your very expensive swinging around upside down.

The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging a camera upside down creates from a strap creates.

I know I'm a bit of a tech geek but if you are think fashion is more important to creating great images then you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.
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Thanks for the lecture. Please free to go and insert something painful in your rectal orifice.

Edit: I don't believe I mentioned any straps or carrying kit.
 
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redsnappa said:
I have no sympathy. Most camera impact accidents are cause by the type of strap you have chosen to use.

I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid fully realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, They are feeding that fashionable notion that is very cool to have your very expensive swinging around upside down.

The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging a camera upside down creates from a strap creates.

I know I'm a bit of a tech geek but if you are think fashion is more important to creating great images then you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.
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Thankyou for your input but please read the original post carefully before commenting.
 
Sorry to hear, but luckily it missed your foot - or you'd be in hospital ;)

redsnappa said:
I have no sympathy. Most camera impact accidents are cause by the type of strap you have chosen to use.

I would never ever use a camera strap that attaches to the cameras tripod screw because of the many stories like this. The likes of Black Rapid fully realise they are fashionable and will sell to anybody even if that person does not understand the risks they are taking with their expensive camera, They are feeding that fashionable notion that is very cool to have your very expensive swinging around upside down.

The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope with the rotational forces that hanging a camera upside down creates from a strap creates.

I know I'm a bit of a tech geek but if you are think fashion is more important to creating great images then you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.
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"The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope" But it was - you can even tow a truck with it
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUK7G5Gy5B4
 
Glad its working again, I thought these pro type cameras were built to take knocks so bit surprised it failed at all from what was only a minor fall
 
redsnappa said:
........Most camera impact accidents are cause by the type of strap you have chosen to use.
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An interesting statement!

Are you making it based on actual definable statistics or web forum anecdotal postings?

I would welcome seeing the evidence of the type of strap "dictating" the level of incidence and damage caused :)
 
Probably just bounced the battery away from the contacts as mentioned.
I feel your pain though. Err20 on my camera on Saturday, shutter jammed up :(
 
Box Brownie said:
An interesting statement!

Are you making it based on actual definable statistics or web forum anecdotal postings?

I would welcome seeing the evidence of the type of strap "dictating" the level of incidence and damage caused :)
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Good point, the part of his post that gets me is this

you deserve whatever repair bills come your way.

To say that to a fellow photographer says something about him
 
What can happen when the strap is attached to the lens tripod mount is that it can get a bit 'tangled' or wrapped around the body in such a way so as to press the lens relaease button. This happened to me once when carrying a 50d with Sigma 300mm f/2.8 attached. Luckily, I was holding the body to stop it swinging about while walking along, so the body didn't drop, but it did twist off in my hand leaving the lens dangling on the strap!

Glad to hear that it bounced ok.
 
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Not that I have an expensive camera or lens, but I am still protective of it. I always (well nearly always) connect a lanyard (if that's the right word) to the camera strap mount and to the sling strap.
 
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Nostromo said:
Not that I have an expensive camera or lens, but I am still protective of it. I always (well nearly always) connect a lanyard (if that's the right word) to the camera strap mount and to the sling strap.
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I use a BR strap and as you describe above I also bought their accessory 'tether'........which in hindsight I could have created using Op-Tech loops!
 
I made my own tether (a better word than lanyard). I had some parachute cord lying around, doubled it over to make a loop, threaded though the camera strap point and use a carabiner clip to connect to the sling strap.
 
OK I need to apologise for my "deserve it" remark and I deserve all the crap that came back, sorry guys I overstepped the mark I know. But I still believe that using a tripod hole as the only fixing for the strap is really asking for trouble. The free strap that comes with your camera does a better job of protecting the camera than an £80 strap that only uses the tripod hole. I know its fashionable but using only the tripod hole as a fixture exposes the tripod hole to forces it was never designed to be subjected to, it puts your expensive camera at more risk than using an el cheepo traditional strap.
I know the marketing material that the companies who makes such straps highlights the positives and is very persuasive they never mention that your camera is at more risk. I will never ever use such a strap even if I was offered one for free.
GeeJay57 said:
What can happen when the strap is attached to the lens tripod mount is that it can get a bit 'tangled' or wrapped around the body in such a way so as to press the lens relaease button
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That is a freak scenario, a total accident as it will not always be obvious to the photographer that the release button has been pressed by the strap, glad your lens is undamaged.
 
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HoppyUK said:
"The cameras tripod screw hole was never ever designed to cope" But it was - you can even tow a truck with it
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Towing a truck is obviously not a rotational force, it is linear. that is unless the truck flips I suppose
 
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redsnappa said:
OK I need to apologise for my "deserve it" remark and I deserve all the crap that came back, sorry guys I overstepped the mark I know. But I still believe that using a tripod hole as the only fixing for the strap is really asking for trouble. The free strap that comes with your camera does a better job of protecting the camera than an £80 strap that only uses the tripod hole. I know its fashionable but using only the tripod hole as a fixture exposes the tripod hole to forces it was never designed to be subjected to, it puts your expensive camera at more risk than using an el cheepo traditional strap.
I know the marketing material that the companies who makes such straps highlights the positives and is very persuasive they never mention that your camera is at more risk. I will never ever use such a strap even if I was offered one for free.

That is a freak scenario, a total accident as it will not always be obvious to the photographer that the release button has been pressed by the strap, glad your lens is undamaged.
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Going back to the original post. I understand that you clearly don't like tripod mounted straps and that's your choice but what would your explanation be for the EF mount giving way and the fashionable strap staying safely attached to the lens foot?
 
redsnappa said:
Towing a truck is obviously not a rotational force, it is linear. that is unless the truck flips I suppose
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Time to stop arguing and accept defeat graciously.
 
Box Brownie said:
I would welcome seeing the evidence of the type of strap "dictating" the level of incidence and damage caused
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There are two pieces of evidence in this one post alone, If you think the likes of the black rapids are safer you find me more incidents where traditional straps have failed causing a camera to hit the deck.
 
Is it me? I thought the original post said that the body detached from the lens? I have a strap which isn't black rapid. It screws into the bottom of the camera too, on a plate. I can't see any scenario where that would cause the lens to fall off the camera?..
 
redsnappa said:
There are two pieces of evidence in this one post alone, If you think the likes of the black rapids are safer you find me more incidents where traditional straps have failed causing a camera to hit the deck.
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Sorry but you made a definitive statement.......so where is the proof. Answering a question with a question (that I should prove the opposite case to yours) is not the proof I requested.

Also, in the OP the strap did not fail I repeat the strap did not fail.

So I repeat my question please show me links to the supposed evidence that BR style straps are more a source of camera damage than the type attached to the body lugs???
 
Yvette Smith said:
Is it me? I thought the original post said that the body detached from the lens? I have a strap which isn't black rapid. It screws into the bottom of the camera too, on a plate. I can't see any scenario where that would cause the lens to fall off the camera?..
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story! ;)
 
redsnappa said:
OK I need to apologise for my "deserve it" remark and I deserve all the crap that came back, sorry guys I overstepped the mark I know. But I still believe that using a tripod hole as the only fixing for the strap is really asking for trouble. The free strap that comes with your camera does a better job of protecting the camera than an £80 strap that only uses the tripod hole. I know its fashionable but using only the tripod hole as a fixture exposes the tripod hole to forces it was never designed to be subjected to, it puts your expensive camera at more risk than using an el cheepo traditional strap.
I know the marketing material that the companies who makes such straps highlights the positives and is very persuasive they never mention that your camera is at more risk. I will never ever use such a strap even if I was offered one for free.

That is a freak scenario, a total accident as it will not always be obvious to the photographer that the release button has been pressed by the strap, glad your lens is undamaged.
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First off the strap used is not the issue as I have already said twice, the issue was that the camera became detached from the lens.
Secondly have you ever felt the weight of a Sigma 120-300 f2.8, to carry one using the neck strap would put the camera/lens mount under enormous pressure
Thirdly I didnt attach it to the camera tripod mount I attached it to the lens tripod mount,as stated in the original post.
 
I don't know if others have seen these but Nikon sell Nikon branded black rapid straps. If they thought BR type straps would exert too much force on the cameras tripod thread why would they endorse their use? Of course with heavy lenses it's more sensible to attach to a lens foot where there is one, don't think I would like a heavy lens dangled no off the camera lens mount.

https://store.nikon.co.uk/nikon-blackrapid-quick-draw-strap-s-an-sbr3/VJB00015/details
 
I now use a Sigma 100-400 on the D500 with BR strap, the lens does not have a tripod mount so am stuck with the camera fixing point, i tried the neck strap but its a lot better for me using the tripod bush in the camera base,using this allows me to carry it at my side with my hand giving some support to the lens but ime not taking all the weight.
If i use the neck strap then the camera hangs with all the lens weight taken by the lens mount on the camera,i worked on the principle my lens is about the same weight as the Nikon 24-70 f2.8 so i only need to avoide undue leverage stress.
 
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