Driverless Cars

I won't guess 'when' it will happen. Clearly it will take longer for some people to understand the huge benefits. But when those people get the choice of, get to work in 15 minutes, compared to 1 hour for double the cost, they'll wonder why they didn't "get it" before.
The only reason that travelling time could be cut so drastically is because so many more people will be out of work. If, however, the same number of people were still in work, there would still be the same amount of traffic so travelling times would remain the same.
 
Yes. I was listening to a pod cast the other day about all the piano makers who lost their jobs when middle class homes suddenly stopped having pianos. Strangely the unemployment rate remained around the same. Lots of jobs lost / lots of jobs created.
But how many piano makers would that have put out of work and how many people would also be unemployed as a result, not many. If you reduce the number of cars on the road as no-one needs to own one as you can just jump in any old driverless car, you would make millions of people unemployed. People that work in, car sales, motorfactor shops, car insurance sales, people that build the vehicles, people that make parts to supply to the manufacturers, the list would go on and on.
 
They'd still need to design and make cars. If they make fewer cars, then factory shifts would be shortened. And the robots would have longer tea breaks.

If we wanted to reduce unemployment, then there are much more efficient ways, than buying things we don't need.

We could use all the money we've saved on fuel, insurance, parking fees and ownership of something expensive that we don't use for most hours of the day, to buy something we really want. Thus increasing employment again.
I've worked in and around car manufacturing for 35yrs, your ideals couldn't be anymore way off. A shorter shift will mean less pay or redundancies, not everything can be done by robot, human input is also required. Just because you feel you don't need a car, it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't need or want one.
I'd spend all that money saved on a new Focus RS to replace my ST. ;)
 
.... not everything can be done by robot, human input is also required. Just because you feel you don't need a car, it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't need or want one.
I'd spend all that money saved on a new Focus RS to replace my ST. ;)

....Yay! In other words, something to engage your brain with driving and to enjoy.
 
But how many piano makers would that have put out of work and how many people would also be unemployed as a result, not many.

I can't remember the figures (it was the Freakonomics podcast if you want to look it up but (1) Far more than you'd think (2) I'm sure you get the real point - companies aren't there to provide employment.
 
I can't remember the figures (it was the Freakonomics podcast if you want to look it up but (1) Far more than you'd think (2) I'm sure you get the real point - companies aren't there to provide employment.
Car companies are there to manufacture cars. If not so many cars are required, some car manufacturers will go out of business or the vehicles will have to become very expensive to make it worthwhile remaining in business. Who is going to buy and run all these cars anyway. If these cars are going to be used 24/7 they will need a lot of maintenance. Some people have very little respect for how they treat the interior of their own vehicles, as someone else has already pointed out, the interior of these cars could be left in a right mess and you are expected to be the next occupant, no thanks.
 
I've worked in and around car manufacturing for 35yrs, your ideals couldn't be anymore way off. A shorter shift will mean less pay or redundancies,
Sure there will be redundancies if people don't want the product.

Artificially propping up a loss making car factory might take you back to the days when you started.
 
....Yay! In other words, something to engage your brain with driving and to enjoy.
Exactly, being driven around is boring. I don't expect to be on my phone, laptop or having a snooze, I want to enjoy the driving experience, even if it means being stuck in the odd jam.
 
Sure there will be redundancies if people don't want the product.

Artificially propping up a loss making car factory might take you back to the days when you started.
Nobody forces people to buy new cars, they buy them because they want them, it's not a necessity, so how is that artificially propping up a car factory?
 
People still want Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens, Koenigsegg, Paganis, etc etc.... Thank God!!!!

The plebs can keep their driverless and characterless 'cars'!

[I think I'm beginning to sound like Jeremy Clarkson - Nothing wrong with that]
 
Nobody forces people to buy new cars, they buy them because they want them, it's not a necessity, so how is that artificially propping up a car factory?
Someone posted that we could share cars. And you said that would put millions out of work.
People still want Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens, Koenigsegg, Paganis, etc etc.... Thank God!!!!

The plebs can keep their driverless and characterless 'cars'!

[I think I'm beginning to sound like Jeremy Clarkson - Nothing wrong with that]

Sure. I don't have a problem with people wanting cars and wanting to drive cars. And quite possibly your circumstances don't lend themselves to driverless cars. However many people in cities with severe congestion, which is what I've been saying, will need a solution. Which is the reason why it is happening. So don't be too surprised.
 
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Car companies are there to manufacture cars. If not so many cars are required, some car manufacturers will go out of business or the vehicles will have to become very expensive to make it worthwhile remaining in business. Who is going to buy and run all these cars anyway. If these cars are going to be used 24/7 they will need a lot of maintenance. Some people have very little respect for how they treat the interior of their own vehicles, as someone else has already pointed out, the interior of these cars could be left in a right mess and you are expected to be the next occupant, no thanks.

I'm sorry. I have no idea whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. This will happen or possibly it won't regardless of what anybody here thinks ;)
 
However many people in cities with severe congestion, which is what I've been saying, will need a solution. Which is the reason why it is happening. So don't be too surprised.
But the same number of cars will still be required to move the same number of people, the congestion won't change.
 
Which is why I mentioned the Go-Kart tracks for those that want that sort of thing.
That and more. Many cities have severe traffic problems, where crossing them in a car can easily take 1 hour. The bigger ones 2 hours. The pressure to reduce this problem is clear. If they put some streets aside for driver less cars only, those cars would travel in synchronised convoys, with just a small gap between them, at high speeds across the city. Never needing to slow down, or stop at junctions. Cars will leave and join the convoys, peeling off to join other routes as their journey requires. The glass is nowhere near full.

Cities spend a lot on congestion management already. They dont have a choice but to adapt the infrastructure to new solutions. Including junctions for driver less vehicles only. No one needs to stop. Funnelling will not be a issue as cars will only be on those lanes for a much shorter period. Think of cars, all travelling at the precisely same speed, say 80 kph, will only take up 25% of the space of cars travelling at 20kph in heavy traffic. And even less due to not stopping at junctions. And even less as they don't need big gaps between cars. And even less due to reduction of accidents. Those cars will be exiting the traffic system 4 to 10 times faster.

Junctions and funnelling are just problems of old world, manually driven cars. Which is going to drive people to want change. In the mean time, they'll get to see cars whizzing past them, the other side of the barriers.

I'm not sure you've thought that through at all. What happens to your high-speed, synchronised convoy when I want to stop my "train carriage" and get out to visit somewhere in the middle of the city? Of course the whole convoy has to slow down to allow any one part to peel off or stop.

Some people have very little respect for how they treat the interior of their own vehicles, as someone else has already pointed out, the interior of these cars could be left in a right mess and you are expected to be the next occupant, no thanks.

You more than anyone should know that pride of ownership and car polish are really embarrassing :p ... but anyone who has encountered as many human ordure filled cars as I have, will always vote for personal ownership and Autoglym in preference to shared car use! :puke:
 
Of course the whole convoy has to slow down to allow any one part to peel off or stop.
There is no need to change speed if your route separates from the route of the convoy, you can peel off out of the middle at full speed and attach to a different convoy or off of the highway to your destination.
 
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... but anyone who has encountered as many human ordure filled cars as I have, will always vote for personal ownership and Autoglym in preference to shared car use! :puke:


....WHO FARTED!!!!? :D
 
There is no need to change speed if your route separates from the route of the convoy, you can peel off out of the middle at full speed and attach to a different convoy or off of the highway to your destination.

Surely the laws of physics mean you often do need to change speed to change direction? Apart from all else, it can otherwise get very uncomfortable for the occupants!

But more than that, I still can't see where the cars will be able to leave your high-speed convoy and slow to a stop to allow people to visit their different destinations in the middle of the city? Very wide roads would allow space for adequate slowing down lanes and I suppose we could knock down buildings to make the roadways wide enough but that rather defeats the object, doesn't it? Otherwise, the whole convoy still has to slow down and speed up to accommodate vehicles that are leaving and rejoining the queue


....WHO FARTED!!!!? :D

Believe me, that's not the biggest problem! I'm a garage proprietor. My mechanics know that I'll defend them if they don't want to work on any customer's car because they have to get past used nappies or solid waste! :hungover::puke::hungover:

And that's what we sometimes find in peoples' own, paid for vehicles, not those "utopian" shared ones!
 
I'd imagine there would need to be some system in place to "punish" people who regularly leave a shared driver-less car in a mess for the next patron. There would need to be some way to "reject" a car that has been left in a mess, so it would then report to a local neighbourhood depot for valeting and another car would be sent. Hopefully the system would monitor these situations carefully and any subscriber who regularly left a car in a mess would have their account pulled so they have to revert to using a conventional car.
 
People still want Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens, Koenigsegg, Paganis, etc etc.... Thank God!!!!

The plebs can keep their driverless and characterless 'cars'!

[I think I'm beginning to sound like Jeremy Clarkson - Nothing wrong with that]

who are you calling a pleb just because other people have different ideas and opinions you should respect that.
 
who are you calling a pleb just because other people have different ideas and opinions you should respect that.

....I do respect other people's ideas but I can also disagree with them and not have to take them seriously. "Plebs" merely means "The general public" - It's Latin, as in S.P.Q.R.

:)
 
People lacking everyday basic skills. (PLEBS) Thanks Robin I didnt know it was of latin origin. :D
 
This is exciting news, I am in full support of this!

However, forget those slow technology demos. It will take decades to realise driverless cars, especially with the lack of optimum shown here.

We can realise driverless motorway within a few years! Even NOW! Adaptive cruise controls that brakes to full stop, active lane assist are all ready technologies. Mercedes S class can drive itself for 10s or so, only thing stopping it is the legislations. Audi recently drove their self driving car across Nevada to get CES. It doesn't require ugly protruding sensor arrays for meatbags running in front of the vehicle, it only need to know rules of motorway. When the motorway ends, driver takes over and navigate the streets where it is infinitely more complex and the technology still need time to mature.

So let's not take the concept too far out of its comfort zone. Let's make use of the technology now instead of waiting for the future driverless pods that will never arrive. I really hope in 3 years time, with legislations in place, I will be able to buy a autonomous motorway cruiser.
 
Successive governments (and cocks driving around at stupid speeds) have taken most of the fun out of driving on the roads, all we can do is reduce the drudgery of getting from A to B. Can't say that I like the idea of being driven by a computer while I have a choice, neither do I fancy sharing the roads with autonomous vehicles but if it happens, it happens. WRT post #97, that theory kinda falls flat on its face for right turns (and as Jon pointed out, 90° junctions!)
 
That's only a problem in mixed traffic. The main benefits, such as speed, safety and not having traffic lights come with segregating the traffic. Some suggested this would be too expensive. However there are many big cities that already have acute problems with gridlock. And may go for excluding all traffic in critical areas if things continue to worsen. There, the fun has already been taken out of driving.
 
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I read all the driverless car thing with great joy, much as the died in the wool car junkies will weep and complain the possibilities are fantastic.

Car pooling, your car drops you off then returns home, disabled access to easy transport, older people who are less confident driving can retain access to transport.

bring it on :)
But all this already exists, they are called buses, taxis, trams and trains. If you feel you don't need a car that much, sell it and use them. For me personally, to get to work it would have to be a taxi so the nearest to the driverless car concept, no other forms of transport go anywhere near where I work. It would also be more expensive than actually driving myself.
 
I read all the driverless car thing with great joy, much as the died in the wool car junkies will weep and complain the possibilities are fantastic.

Car pooling, your car drops you off then returns home, disabled access to easy transport, older people who are less confident driving can retain access to transport.

bring it on :)
But all this already exists, they are called buses, taxis, trams and trains. If you feel you don't need a car that much, sell it and use them. For me personally, to get to work it would have to be a taxi so the nearest to the driverless car concept, no other forms of transport go anywhere near where I work. It would also be more expensive than actually driving myself.
 
I'm really looking forward to driverless cars, but definitely want my own one. Many of the locations are out of the way of cities anyway. It would give me back some valuable time. And then I still have a nice toy or two or three in the garage for non-commuting stuff.
 
What they didn't want you to find out when things go wrong. Out of control driverless cars on killer rampage in the US.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32691887

However, Google said its driverless cars had never been the cause of an accident, and that the majority of "minor fender-benders"
had been in the form of rear-end collisions from other drivers.


How can it be the cars fault? after all to err is to be human...................

But it takes a computer to totally f*** things up ;)
 
However, Google said its driverless cars had never been the cause of an accident, and that the majority of "minor fender-benders"
had been in the form of rear-end collisions from other drivers.


How can it be the cars fault? after all to err is to be human...................

But it takes a computer to totally f*** things up ;)

You could read that as the driverless car slowed down too much too suddenly. :p
 
Isn't that always the case with rear endings? (Other than those caused by the driver in front going into reverse...)
 
Indeed. It can be avoided with modern emergency braking assist. Hurrah! for more automation in cars. :D


Thus technology becomes more accepted. Unlike earlier pages of this thread.
 
Indeed. It can be avoided with modern emergency braking assist. Hurrah! for more automation in cars. :D


Thus technology becomes more accepted. Unlike earlier pages of this thread.
Front assist and a combination of keeping more distance :)
 
Overall, they will work out how many people they will kill, how much each life costs them and whether that fits their business model or not. Smart people with calculators and accounting degrees.
I work for a reinsurance company and trust me, there's a lot of people working on the legal and insurance liability issues regarding driverless cars (and drones too, which is the other 'new tech' issue).
 
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