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@ST4 Will you be getting one of these :D
 
I've got one, I sit in the passanger seat, someone else drives. Its sort of the same thing. I travel on the roads without driving. It is nice actually. I'd probably get one as there are times, even I, cannot be facked driving
 
At least they won't be texting.
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nope, not ever.

all hail the human, we need to stick up for ourselves,, just because we can do something doesnt mean we should. otherwise there is soon gonna be very little point in the human race for us as a species to continue if everything is gonna be done automaticlly.

the human error is what makes us great.

i cant stop thinking that 1 day we will be like i-robot. and i live in fear of that day.
 
I wonder who will take the liability when one of these is involved in an accident?
 
Is society getting lazier and lazier or is it just me? I'd rather have an old car where the only electrics are for wipers and lights. None of this self driven, on board computers and more stupid electrics that go wrongs and you have to plug in a diagnostics computer to find out what's going on kind of stuff....

Self driven car for me?...Hand me that noose :rolleyes:
 
srichards said:
I wonder who will take the liability when one of these is involved in an accident?
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Was thinking that myself. Try explaining that you flipped your car into a playground of children, but you weren't "driving" lol.
 
How about drink driving, will you be able to have a drink and let the car get you home?

Just watching this on the news now
 
I'll quite happily have one. There is nothing entertaining to drive 100+ miles after midnight or before sunrise. I would much more happily snooze or work on something else in that time. Plus it takes away the hassle of overtaking caravans and Jazz drivers. There will be still cyclists left and I fear even the best system won't be able to deal with them efficiently enough.

I wouldn't mind retaining the controls initially when I feel like being naughty up in the highlands, but really the computer hardware and software can work so much more efficiently than humans (presuming good implementation with backup and failure-detection mechanisms). And I do really hope they will implement secure, encrypted communication protocols before hackers start to hijack cars (cough GPS, cough).

For example how well can you spot a deer on a grass 2m from the road, looking away at night, about to run across the road? I could happily have an IR detection system that will 'see' them and stop the car. The list goes on.
 
jonbeeza said:
How about drink driving, will you be able to have a drink and let the car get you home?

Just watching this on the news now
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why not? You will not be driving it, presuming it is 100% driverless / 99.999% reliable.

And why not let the car drive home / to a free parking spot empty from the city centre to avoid council rip off? They will love losing all their revenue!!!!
 
daugirdas said:
why not? You will not be driving it, presuming it is 100% driverless / 99.999% reliable.

And why not let the car drive home / to a free parking spot empty from the city centre to avoid council rip off? They will love losing all their revenue!!!!
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Can see too many problems to be honest how about when something fails, and If the Driver less car collides with person or other car. Just wondering who will be responsible? Just imagine if two driver less cars are in a collision, what a nightmare with the insurance that would be.
 
Wait till the driverless Buses, taxi's & lorrys get on the roads.. It can't come fast enough.. I ride a motorcycle so suspect this is part of trying to outlaw them....
 
daugirdas said:
I'll quite happily have one. There is nothing entertaining to drive 100+ miles after midnight or before sunrise. I would much more happily snooze or work on something else in that time. Plus it takes away the hassle of overtaking caravans and Jazz drivers. There will be still cyclists left and I fear even the best system won't be able to deal with them efficiently enough.

I wouldn't mind retaining the controls initially when I feel like being naughty up in the highlands, but really the computer hardware and software can work so much more efficiently than humans (presuming good implementation with backup and failure-detection mechanisms). And I do really hope they will implement secure, encrypted communication protocols before hackers start to hijack cars (cough GPS, cough).

For example how well can you spot a deer on a grass 2m from the road, looking away at night, about to run across the road? I could happily have an IR detection system that will 'see' them and stop the car. The list goes on.
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I'd rather drive, I've always preferred driving to being driven.
How would the car determine whether the deer is indeed about to run across the road, at work we had automated trucks that moved pallets around following a wire buried in the ground, they only moved slow, but the problem was every time someone walked in front of them even at a reasonable distance, they would stop. Don't think they even had it working for a year before they gave up and reverted back to manned tow trucks.
There will be kids jumping in front of driverless cars deliberately stopping them just for the laugh, because they know it will stop and they won't be hurt.
 
Diving Pete said:
Wait till the driverless Buses, taxi's & lorrys get on the roads.. It can't come fast enough.. I ride a motorcycle so suspect this is part of trying to outlaw them....
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Don't fancy sitting on the back of a driverless motorbike. :D
 
jonbeeza said:
Can see too many problems to be honest how about when something fails, and If the Driver less car collides with person or other car. Just wondering who will be responsible? Just imagine if two driver less cars are in a collision, what a nightmare with the insurance that would be.
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Don't you worry; the helpful insurance companies will still find ways to part you with your money :) What happens if there is flood / hurricane destroying property? It would be a similar case with appropriate risk factors, and no human-owner to blame.

Driverless vs human operated car is likely to be human's fault. Easy one to sort out.

Driverless vs driverless is going to be very unlikely if implemented properly.

When something fails there should be either a backup system that overtakes or the car is safely stopped at the roadside and recovery assistance automatically called. We are hopefully not dealing with a case where a careless hipster mechanic from Bristol can't fit brakes properly, and also short-circuits electronics and decides to reprogram the ECU to disable the annoying features!

Diving Pete said:
Wait till the driverless Buses, taxi's & lorrys get on the roads.. It can't come fast enough.. I ride a motorcycle so suspect this is part of trying to outlaw them....
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Trains are already driverless in many parts of the world... pretty much all incidents there are human fault.
 
daugirdas said:
Trains are already driverless in many parts of the world... pretty much all incidents there are human fault.
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Trains run on rails, a lot easier to make driverless and nowhere near as many problems to overcome.
 
nilagin said:
I'd rather drive, I've always preferred driving to being driven.
How would the car determine whether the deer is indeed about to run across the road, at work we had automated trucks that moved pallets around following a wire buried in the ground, they only moved slow, but the problem was every time someone walked in front of them even at a reasonable distance, they would stop. Don't think they even had it working for a year before they gave up and reverted back to manned tow trucks.
There will be kids jumping in front of driverless cars deliberately stopping them just for the laugh, because they know it will stop and they won't be hurt.
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Will you take chances with deer? Just because you didn't spot it and got away with it doesn't mean the next time will be so lucky. Animals are stupid and will almost certainly run across in front at the last second. It doesn't have to be a complete stop, but there is a safe speed somewhere in between and if the situation gets more dangerous it is reevaluated. Your workplace tool is obviously an early generation system so it is very conservative; they are evolving and would perform a lot better when rolled out to the streets.

Kids may be playing some tricks (it's a traffic offence), but a video recording automatically sent to the local blue light team should see an ASBO issued to the parents. I can't see that as an issue long term.
 
nilagin said:
Trains run on rails, a lot easier to make driverless and nowhere near as many problems to overcome.
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Exactly, this is why trains are already automated and cars are in early development. It doesn't mean it is impossible.
 
sorry forgot also about the airplanes too - most of those are human error following a mechanical error..
 
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jonbeeza said:
Can see too many problems to be honest how about when something fails, and If the Driver less car collides with person or other car. Just wondering who will be responsible? Just imagine if two driver less cars are in a collision, what a nightmare with the insurance that would be.
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All these thoughts were trotted out with dull monotony on R4 today.

Basically, some very clever people will spend all day every day thinking about stuff like this before it ever happens. There was an interview with a Google chap a while back where he basically said "that's one for the lawyers, not the engineers".
 
It will happen of course, and in time pretty well all of the driving jobs will disappear, because technology is inevitably much cheaper than paying for labour.
But, assuming that the system needs either under or over road technology to communicate with the car, it will be a very long time before driverless cars can operate in rural areas.

I'd buy one like a shot.
 
Steve Smith said:
Something I have wanted to do for a while is build a motorcycle and sidecar with all the controls in the sidecar. Then I could have someone drive it around with me sitting on the bike reading a book.


Steve.
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Can just imagine the look on folks faces as you drove past
 
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Steve Smith said:
Something I have wanted to do for a while is build a motorcycle and sidecar with all the controls in the sidecar. Then I could have someone drive it around with me sitting on the bike reading a book.


Steve.
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Hmm..
I once had a VW Campervan, left hand drive
And I once had a wife who always went to sleep as soon as we started driving.

It was priceless to see people's faces when they saw that the person in what they thought was the driver's seat was fast asleep:)
That was a long time ago and I got rid of both of them
 
Bar the steering both my cars are nearly there....Especially the Golf R implementation is very very good with its automatic cruise control. It is super responsive, I've noticed it is quicker than myself responding to events, it is smooth, it keeps the distance (I've set it to very short) to the vehicle in front, stick to the speed limits goes all the way from zero to warp speed....I really like it in the busy congested M25...It has helped me get so relaxed....

Considering that insurance premiums are the lowest in its class for this 300Hp super hatch, I think that answer the question regarding the insurance companies and what they think of this kind of technology....

Bring it on...And once I'm on clear roads, and the country lanes I'll switch it to manual and have a bit of fun myself....
 
Great idea - send it to collect your mother in law then take her to Land's End :arghh:
 
I have a feeling that any autonomous driverless cars will be restricted to any limits in force at all times, probably GPS controlled. Not sure Tesla have driverless planned (or BMW's i8!)
 
I'd love a driverless car. Driving is just a chore to me. Read the paper, chat on the phone, look at TP on the laptop. AND it probably would be a safer driver than I am.
 
ST4 said:
The real question is if it drives me at 138mph passed dibble, can the car go to court instead of me?
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Driverless or not, someone wll still have to be responsible for its actions.


PatrickO said:
I'd love a driverless car. Driving is just a chore to me. Read the paper, chat on the phone, look at TP on the laptop. AND it probably would be a safer driver than I am.
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It exists already - it's called a bus (or a taxi or a train).


Steve.
 
ST4 said:
The real question is if it drives me at 138mph passed dibble, can the car go to court instead of me?
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So long as you don't tamper with the workings of the car, you should be OK. Maybe the engineers, or the software people etc may be responsible though.
 
Will there be different driving modes to select....

1: Normal
2: Scone Hunter - slow and hesitant
3: White Van - just floor it and keep going, regardless what's happening around you, disregard for other road users.
4: Driving God - it's my road - cutting in/out of lanes, tailgating, oblivious to other drivers braking hard to avoid collision with you.
5: Chav Clio, Corsa etc. Loud boomy exhaust sound, lowered suspension - desperate to impress - struggles to keep up with traffic on dual carriageways once out of town.

"Good morning Driver, please select your preferred driving mode for today's journey"
"I'm late - select mode 4!"
"Hold tight driver"

The after market chip designers could have a field-day!

:)

Chris
 
Can speed limits be superb high cos all the robots be doing the driving, there is something lovely about going 125mph along a rail line sitting back. The only problem is other passangers, automated cars could give us 200mph cars and no passangers, oh the bliss.
 
ST4 said:
Can speed limits be superb high cos all the robots be doing the driving, there is something lovely about going 125mph along a rail line sitting back. The only problem is other passangers, automated cars could give us 200mph cars and no passangers, oh the bliss.
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One day, but not until all pensioner-mobiles are phased in favour of the new generation vehicles. The likes of scenic, corsa or jazz would never reach that speed, nor corner as well as a good car. So I guess it will take a fair while until you can be driven at those speeds on anything other than the airplanes or some trains.
 
PatrickO said:
I'd love a driverless car. Driving is just a chore to me. Read the paper, chat on the phone, look at TP on the laptop. AND it probably would be a safer driver than I am.
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or faster.. oops did i say that out loud? ;)
 
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