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I'm after a bit of advice about our little girl, Twiggy

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She is coming on with the house training and is left in the hallway at night. She normally holds it until the morning but last night did a poo on the newspaper and seems to have eaten half of it. :gag:

I'm sure that can't be doing her any good, anything we can do?
 
Not uncommon for dogs to do this, best try and clear it up before the dog has a go at it.
Some say its a lack of a certain vitamin but if worried have a word with your vet.
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It's fairly common, our Daisy used to eat hers all the time, to the point of guarding it like a bowl of food as you tried to clear it up. Fortunately (or unfortunately from a cleaning up perspective) she's now grown out of it.

As mentioned above, numerous "experts" offered the opinion that it was a vitamin deficiency, but an equal number said not to worry about it.
 
Not at all uncommon and often a reason cannot be found.
A training crate (must be the correct size) would be a good investment. The dog will be reluctant to soil in it's own bed which means you can supervise it when it relieves itself.

Your hall will be larger than a crate (I assume) therefore the dog will toilet there.

I always think the newspaper method is double the work. Why not go straight for toilet outside. I have always done that with my dogs and housetraining takes about 1 week provided you stick to the simple rules.
 
she be defective! take her back and get a new one...:p
 
Ive got 2 black labs and they both do it from time to time. I just got told to keep up with the worming.

BTW my labs will be 8 in a couple of weeks time so its not done them any harm.
 
Do you take her for a walk last thing at night mate?
 
I also recommend a crate for Twiggy, we have used one for our puppies and not only are they great to use for the initial toilet training, they also serve as a nice secure place for Twiggy to go when she needs her own space. Once she is over the training, you will find she will carry on using it as her bed if you leave the door open.

As for the poo eating, well try putting bits of pineapple in her food. She will like the taste in her food, but when it comes out the other end it's a different story :lol:
 
when i read the title to this thread i was going to reply 'don't do it on a carpet', but now ive read the thread ill say, it does happen, our jack has one it from time to time but not very often
 
Sensible question, yes we do! and I hang about in the snow until she's done a poo!

That tends to be 10.30pm and we my wife goes downstairs at about 8.00am.

Some dogs have problems with certain food, ours craps like blazes if he eats beef,so he doesn`t get beef.....:D

Seriously, maybe look at her diet and see if she diagrees with a certain food stuff. What do you feed her on now? How old is she and how often do you feed her?
 
She's 4 months old and eats only dry dog food (hill's Science plan) 3 times a day.

We'll look into the crates...

Ideally it is best to start with a crate from day one, but try just puting the pup in a for a few mins with a toy or treat then build up the time.
The dog will soon treat it as it's own private area.
When my Lab was a pup he soon learned to dive in when I showed signs of going shopping etc. When he got to about 8 months I did not have to close the door. He would stay there. After a year I took the crate away and left his bedding in the same spot and he still treats that as his area.

A crate can preserve your sanity if your dog is chewer.
 
Agree with Jo about pineapple. If you dont want to put chunks of it in her food, big syringe and some pinapple juice would do the trick.
 
Look at it this way, sometimes they get an upset tummy and cant wait just like us, I really wouldnt worry and shes a cracking dog
 
She certainly is...

Even if her breath does smell of poo! :)

If the outside area/garden is secure, ie she can't get out, consider putting a dog flap in the door.
 
Even if her breath does smell of poo! :)

If the outside area/garden is secure, ie she can't get out, consider putting a dog flap in the door.

I wouldnt, it will be so big it will allow burglars in. My daughter's GSD used to eat her own poo, she also has used the pineapple thing and it worked. Unfortunately the dog still eats dead rabbits it finds over the comon!!!

Matt
ps the dog looks lovely.
 
Well, my wife picked up a crate this afternoon. This dog ownership isn't cheap!

Just wait till the vet bills start rolling in ,our westy's running at about £1,300 in a year of ownership ,just think what kit i missed out on getting (sorry Jock:D)
 
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Well, my wife picked up a crate this afternoon. This dog ownership isn't cheap!


Just wait till the vet bills start rolling in ,our westy's running at about £1,300 in a year of ownership ,just think what kit i missed out on getting (sorry Jock)

Yes, they can be shockers and seem to have got worse over the last few years.
My previous lab had 9 days in a vet hosp. X-ray, ultrasound scan, blood, urine and faecal tests. Nothing invasive ....... £3000! and it did not save him.
That was a lesson learned. I now have insurance.
 
Using a crate will slow down toilet training. They learn [ sometimes ] not to mess in the crate but then see everything outside of the crate as the place to go so you still have to do the basics anyway of considering feeding times related to toilet needs, spotting the first sign of when they need to go and acting on it, rewarding after they have been, not during [ as it can distract them into stopping the flow as it were ].
Best way as far as I`m concerned is ignore all accidents in front of pup, clean up without a fuss, place it outside in a spot you would like pup to use, next time pup looks like needing to go pop on a lead, take pup near to where you put the previous lot, let pup get the scent [ dont march pup up to it ! ], let the scent trigger the need to go again, praise/reward. Before long pup will start asking to go out. My average this way is 4 to 7 days for any of mine and past fosters to get the idea.

Re eating it, there are many reasons, for some its food deficiencies, for some it`s what`s coming out still being rich in food content so is appetising to them, for some it`s habit, but for most it`s a instinctive behaviour to hide it, especially any dogs which have been told off for an accident - or perceive a telling off - even an owner just sighing in frustration can cause this hence it should be cleared up preferably without the dog seeing it being dealt with. I suspect many dogs which are thought to be clean in their crate are as likely to be eating it either to avoid reproach or so they don`t have to be near it when they can`t escape it.
I would suggest using the crate as a bed/den so that should pup ever need to be exercise restricted or be afraid of anything like storms and fireworks so that there is safe place for pup to go into by choice but for toilet training you would be in for a much longer road than by not shutting pup in overnight.

Where does pup sleep at the moment ? My crew past and present, including fosters and friends dogs, have always always slept with me whether in the bed or the floor so when they needed to go they could let me know, though it was very rare that they needed to as they have tended to through right from the start because they were so relaxed by not being alone - don`t forget if a pup sleeps alone shut away from their human, just waking up and feeling so alone can cause a stress reaction which can result in toilet accidents and can become a hard cycle to break. If you don`t want pup on your bed then fair enough use the crate in your room so at least if pup needs to wake you it gives you the opportunity to keep consistency going for acting on when being asked for toilet time.
 
Using a crate will slow down toilet training. They learn [ sometimes ] not to mess in the crate but then see everything outside of the crate as the place to go so you still have to do the basics anyway of considering feeding times related to toilet needs, spotting the first sign of when they need to go and acting on it, rewarding after they have been, not during [ as it can distract them into stopping the flow as it were ].
Best way as far as I`m concerned is ignore all accidents in front of pup, clean up without a fuss, place it outside in a spot you would like pup to use, next time pup looks like needing to go pop on a lead, take pup near to where you put the previous lot, let pup get the scent [ dont march pup up to it ! ], let the scent trigger the need to go again, praise/reward. Before long pup will start asking to go out. My average this way is 4 to 7 days for any of mine and past fosters to get the idea.

Re eating it, there are many reasons, for some its food deficiencies, for some it`s what`s coming out still being rich in food content so is appetising to them, for some it`s habit, but for most it`s a instinctive behaviour to hide it, especially any dogs which have been told off for an accident - or perceive a telling off - even an owner just sighing in frustration can cause this hence it should be cleared up preferably without the dog seeing it being dealt with. I suspect many dogs which are thought to be clean in their crate are as likely to be eating it either to avoid reproach or so they don`t have to be near it when they can`t escape it.
I would suggest using the crate as a bed/den so that should pup ever need to be exercise restricted or be afraid of anything like storms and fireworks so that there is safe place for pup to go into by choice but for toilet training you would be in for a much longer road than by not shutting pup in overnight.

Where does pup sleep at the moment ? My crew past and present, including fosters and friends dogs, have always always slept with me whether in the bed or the floor so when they needed to go they could let me know, though it was very rare that they needed to as they have tended to through right from the start because they were so relaxed by not being alone - don`t forget if a pup sleeps alone shut away from their human, just waking up and feeling so alone can cause a stress reaction which can result in toilet accidents and can become a hard cycle to break. If you don`t want pup on your bed then fair enough use the crate in your room so at least if pup needs to wake you it gives you the opportunity to keep consistency going for acting on when being asked for toilet time.


Thanks for the advice.

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We have got her a crate and she seems quite happy sleeping in it at night. You could be right about eating the poo to hide it as we have been telling her off for doing it indoors.
 
The one thing I was and am always told is to never tell a dog off for going to the loo inside. Merely ignore them, and when she DOES go outside, PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE, big high voices, a treat if you want, and lots of good tickles and rubs. She doesn't know why you're telling her off as she doesn't know that toileting inside isn't allowed. Being completely silent/ignoring her[going inside] versus high praise and good stuff will have her preferring outside very very soon!

Lovely girl
 
Well I don't agree with a crate slowing her down at all. The last two pups we have had have been trained within a week. Yes it has been through 24hr training, but it was all that was needed.

Everyone is different though. It also depends how much time you have to spend with them while training too.

Glad she is happy sleeping in the crate at night Pete. That crate will be a god send at times :)
 
Hmmm lovely.
Or at least it is for a Dog, very common and nothing to worry about.
if you can get her to go on newspaper each day move it closer to the front door and finally put the newspaper outside when you let her out very last thing at night.
 
Well I don't agree with a crate slowing her down at all. The last two pups we have had have been trained within a week. Yes it has been through 24hr training, but it was all that was needed.

Everyone is different though. It also depends how much time you have to spend with them while training too.

Glad she is happy sleeping in the crate at night Pete. That crate will be a god send at times :)

Got to agree 100% with that.

Crate will preserve you sanity at times.

There were no crates when I got my first Lab. I went to collect my wife from the station one night. Left the pup in the hall. Came home 30 mins later and he was in the lounge, have eaten through a double skinned gyproc wall!!
 
Hmmmmmm. Doggies.

When I got mine as a pup, she wouldn't house train at all - we tried everything and I mean everything. Nothing worked. She just wouldn't clean up. Every morning there was a (not so) nice steaming present awaiting us in the hall. I was advised to let the pooch sleep in the bedroom with us, and to keep the door firmly shut during the night. The dog will treat the room as the "den" and will not foul there. Well, to be honest I wasn't convinced, didn't fancy getting out of bed in the morning and playing bare foot roulette, but we decided to give it a go. Thing is, she cleaned up that night, and has never gone to the toilet inside the house since. That's over ten years ago now. She sleeps on the floor on her own bed, she gets up for a cuddle for ten minutes and then gets back down and goes to sleep. I realise not all dog owners relish the thought of sharing their bedroom with their pooch, but for me this was never an issue, if you can live with this then I would recommend it. Be firm with not letting them up on the bed or trust me they will do their best starfish impression and you will have a sore neck in the morning!

The one thing I always thought - if there was a fire, I have ALL my loved ones close at hand should we need to evacuate, and I'd only have to go back in for the camera gear, the tv, the computer, the silver...:thinking:
 
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