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If you did kill the dog the RSPCA would have you, even if it bit you first and if you assaulted the human owner you'd be liable to arrest and charges - so not a good idea. Taking it into your own hands just escalates things and could end up with you in trouble even if you are the injured party.
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So have we finished with dogs. Can we move o to irresponsible cat owners and the cat 'deposits' left on gardens?
ah but you see thats not a problem, because you can't control cats, and for the record i had a cat that was way way more vicious than any of my dogs
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Do you see the difference in the two examples? A human capable of rape and a dog capable of biting?
Or do you think this is a good comparison?
I doubt very much if anything would happen to me, particularly if I had bite marks, and simply said that I used necessary force to try to stop the animal attacking me.
It is all very well saying that people should not take matters into their own hands, but people do this all the time, because the police are not capable of "instant response" and as I have already pointed out, sometimes they are not interested.
Ah well Jim, as we know, the police tend to have somewhat inconsistent views on what they call serious. You only need look at the riots in London, and the way they just held back and let people run amok and burn buildings down.
I regard a dog biting me as "serious", something which a lot of dog owners find amusing for some reason.
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It's a civilian matter not a police matter. The only thing the police will do if possible is take the name and address of the dogs owner for you and release the info to your solicitor if you decide to try to make a claim against the owner. Unless of course it's a very serious attack as jim has already said.
I'm not really sure what you would want the police to do tbh..
I'm not really sure what you would want the police to do tbh..
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andy700 said:
It's not inconsistent, 'serious' in this respect is defined in law and the police will apply that. It matters not what you think.
As for the riots, were you there? Were you aware of the resourcing issues? That comment alone pretty much undermines the credibility of your posts.
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I can assure you that the RSPCA would almost certainly bring a private prosecution if you killed the dog. Reasonable force is one thing but beating an animal to death really winds them up - and what of the owners testimony? You really don't want to get into this kind of trouble.
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You wouldn't have to beat it to death to kill it. A quick tug of the front legs in the wrong direction would kill the dog and surely a movement like that should be reasonable force for an animal who was attacking you?
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if i remember rightly thats actually a myth about the front legs
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joescrivens said:
Old wives tail, and honestly, what major organs are in the legs??!?
And to kill a dog, it would only be reasonable if it was kill or be killed, the same as humans.
I honestly think the only animals here are the people posting crap like this.
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The way I understood it was that but splitting the legs it would break the breastbone which could then shatter into the heart
Also, your last comment is unnecessary. People have a different opinion to you, that doesn't make what they are saying crap. Please be more respectful and the discussion will be able to continue in an adult way
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joescrivens said:
An "adult" wouldn't kill a dog unless they were in fear of their lives. To try and kill a dog for what would more likely be a small bite in self defence (as 99% of dog bites are) is bang out of order. If you think that's acceptable, how can you command respect?
This thread has reminded me why I stopped coming on here.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If a dog charges at you to bite you are you going to gamble whether they just want to give you a nip or if they are going to try and rip your hand off.
If a dog did actually charge at me or my kids I wouldn't hesitate to stop it. If that meant the dog died as a result then so be it.
And I love dogs. But I wouldn't think twice about destroying one if I genuinely felt it was going to do serious damage to myself or my family.
If a dog did actually charge at me or my kids I wouldn't hesitate to stop it. If that meant the dog died as a result then so be it.
And I love dogs. But I wouldn't think twice about destroying one if I genuinely felt it was going to do serious damage to myself or my family.
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.....i don't know. I can think of many reasons for killing a dog.
Take mine. since getting his iphone, Harrison has been texting me from under the dining table.... Ordered 5 take outs.
Been online and Googled 'Dogging sites' (He thought it was a Canine dating site)
For the last 3 nights a painted lady turned up to give a massage......
and since he is now friends with Ted the Terrier life is no longer peaceful.
If it goes on I take out a contract on him and get Luigi the lurcher to put a cap in his ass!
Take mine. since getting his iphone, Harrison has been texting me from under the dining table.... Ordered 5 take outs.
Been online and Googled 'Dogging sites' (He thought it was a Canine dating site)
For the last 3 nights a painted lady turned up to give a massage......
and since he is now friends with Ted the Terrier life is no longer peaceful.
If it goes on I take out a contract on him and get Luigi the lurcher to put a cap in his ass!
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Exactly why should anyone walkign with children or just by themselves have to think like this especially in a public places because someone is walking there dog off the lead and thinks they have control
i went up sutton park today and the amount off scraggy little dogs that came running up to me barking and one even growling at my dog and i got a smile whilst trying to stop my dog ripping there heads off is ridicoulous!! one found out the hard way and got a little taster the owner didnt say anthing to me has i shouted put your dog on the lead she isnt friendly with other dogs he tried his recall dog carried on towards me and the rest well.. his dog went running back with his tail between his legs... now my point been walking your dog off the lead in the middle of the day is asking for trouble for you and your dog and for those who say they would batter a dog to save there dog well i dont think that would happen with certain breeds...:nono:
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Certain breeds?
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So your dog is vicious?
yep i know theres certain breeds by there nature wont tolerate other dogs, some due to there breeding circumstances there upbringing however this is not a rule though has with proper sociolisation this can be overcome
just for me to clarify i put certain breeds without been specific has if i did there would be no doubt a owner that has theres that can socialise well against what could be there natural temp...
now i know from speaking from experience mine wont tolerate any other dogs cats or anything with four legs
NO why should she? shes on her lead walks by my side lives in doors with me and the children walks with our family and will let people fuss her but doesnt tolerate other dogs or cats??
to other dogs she doesnt tolerate them let me give some folk some background before people jump she was adopted by us, has her previus owner let there bigger dog constantly attack her then she got older and fought back now she gets in first before she thinks the other dog will she is attending classes to gain back the trust in other dogs but shes a great dog with people just not other dogs
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so what happens if someone walks past you on a pavement, with their own dog perfectly well behaved and on a lead? They are doing nothing wrong yet you seem to be saying that your dog will struggle to tolerate that? If that is the case, then it is you that has the problem.
yep correct she would and yes it would be me with the issue so im always looking well ahead and i will cross the road or step into the road and give them has much room has possible has why should the other person have to deal with my dogs issues and feel intimidated or threathened by my dog or i will make her sit and distract her with her lead till there past me ill always take full responsibility for my dog has its my responsibility and my property (if you like) for instance theres no way she can escape from our garden but she never left alone in the to prevent the just in case scenario
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It sounds a sensible approach and I would add not walking at the 'peak' times in areas where other dogs will be off lead to your list too, [eg, middle of the day at weekends, early mornings/evenings on weekdays] as dogs are actually very good at body language, much better then us and will probably slink away the minute she shows aggression or an objection. However, a naturally 'dominant' dog might not and frankly, your rescue doesn't need the hassle.
I know we are back to 'dogs shouldn't be coming over, should be under control, blah blah, blah, but here is the thing, dogs are pack animals, they actively seek out the company of other dogs and want to know the 'lie of the land' with a strange dog that is in their 'patch', that is their very nature and good trainers actually use their natural instincts to train them to behave the way we humans want them to. So, I know being seen in a muzzle can be a bit of a stigma, but it will also serve to show other owners that your dog might not yet be ready to accept such attentions and give them the chance to call their own animal off a bit earlier and could also prevent any problems for you should things go a bit pear shaped. I admire you for taking on a dog with issues, and wish you and her every luck in the world, but avoiding putting her in stressful situations such as the local park at midday on a saturday might be worth thinking about.
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If she was my dog she would be muzzled until she didn't snap at other dogs, end of storey, see my earlier post about a dog we rescued, your dog. In my eyes, is unpredictable, and I am not sure if I would trust her with children either.
Having said all that any dog on a lead is likely to be defensive towards dogs off the lead.
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Ok this was posted while I was posting above reply, so fair play to you, this shows you in a slightly different light to some of your earlier replys
How do they know it wants to play?....with the dog's teeth showing and it snarling and barking and slavering and running quicker than you or I can.
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Last request to quit with the personal insults
Oh but wait.......I must know it is playing because it's owner say's so.
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