Does your camera dictate your photography or does your photography dictate your camera?

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Since the thread has revived (a little)...

Doesn't quote 1 suggest that to capture specific images you might need specific tools? In which case, surely that implies that succumbing (in quote 2) is actually needed to ensure that you don't have to photographically speaking drive in nails with a screwdriver?

More that a camera takes an image, but if we consider the camera as an image taking system, then features of that system will be better suited to some tasks. Obvious examples are long focal range for sport/bird photography, close up or macro lens for close up work etc.
 
I'm sure if you had started your thread in a similar way to the thread "How many camera's do you have", you would have had a kinder (more favorable) response.
 
Somewhere in there is a good discussion. What sort of photography do you do, what kit have you, do you think this suits and why. What changes would you like. Does the kit hinder/help, that sort of thing.
 
Would you review your photography style to please others? How original would that be? I wouldn't. And so too, I won't review my writing style to please you or this forum. And if need be, I will ask for a "self-requested ban" to finally end this prosecution once and for all.

I thought you were leaving (several days ago)...

yet here you are with more drama llama eroneous nonsense - no one wants you to change your writing style, what people are suggesting is that that writing style doesnt lend itself to promoting discussion and also you might like to actually contribute to the forum beyond starting "what inspires your photography" type threads ... that way people might not assume that you are a n A level studernt doing their homework, or a researcher from one of the lesser known blogs
 
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t, how is one supposed to ask a question if one is expected to know the answers beforehand? I was asking the question of the topic because I genuinely wanted to find out how it was in the experience of other photographers..

People would more readily believe that had you not already posted about 15 interogative threads in which this question has pretty much already been answered - as matt said right at the begining, people would have more respect for you if you were more upfront about why you actually want to know all this stuff ... if it is purely for personal curiosity you might want to temperr that with some other photographic discussion.

That aside if i wanted to ask that question i'd say something like

"I sometimes feel that my camera equipment is dictating my photography (or vice versa) , what do other people think ? "
 
FFS people. So what if he/she is a researcher. Who cares? Are you all hiding something?

I often wonder why I'm a member here. I was told it's a friendly place.
Couldn't agree more , either answer the question or don't , place is a nightmare for smart arse clowns attacking people for the sake of it . I'm very close to calling it a day here as all threads seem to be going the same direction and 90% of the time by the same close knit group of people, I very rarely contribute now for this very reason
 
Couldn't agree more , either answer the question or don't , place is a nightmare for smart arse clowns attacking people for the sake of it . I'm very close to calling it a day here as all threads seem to be going the same direction and 90% of the time by the same close knit group of people, I very rarely contribute now for this very reason
maybe you should read @Marcel reply if you want to do research on this forum please ask permission!!!
 
There's a fine line. Research? Probably. Has it encouraged discussion? Yes, that's why it's stayed :)
 
Everybody says the same thing "oh my camera is just a tool. Th camera doesn't make you a better photographer" but for me, I am a bit more honest and I have to say that I need to have an enjoyable camera on my hands in order to be inspired to photograph. I am sorry if somebody doesn't agree with me , but I need to actually like what I have in my hands. It doesn't need to be a Leica , but it doesn't need to be a 20£ point and shoot. I just need something that doesn't compromise my photographs.
 
Everybody says the same thing "oh my camera is just a tool. Th camera doesn't make you a better photographer" but for me, I am a bit more honest and I have to say that I need to have an enjoyable camera on my hands in order to be inspired to photograph. I am sorry if somebody doesn't agree with me , but I need to actually like what I have in my hands. It doesn't need to be a Leica , but it doesn't need to be a 20£ point and shoot. I just need something that doesn't compromise my photographs.

End of the day its bound to be a bit of both ... if you want to take a certain shot you need certain equipment / if you have certain equipment you can take certain shots - which dictates which is like arguing whether the chicken or the egg came first
 
Some people are good socially, some aren't, some are clever and witty on forums and others come across a little stilted. i thought it took all sorts on here? Surely if the guy was a market researcher he'd have left by now? There must be better and easier ways to gather research than having to face the braying mob. Its not often I criticise mods, I like this place too much :), but if they have proof that he's a researcher then ban him, or at least show us the evidence, and posting style isn't necessarily evidence.
 
The camera doesn't DICTATE your photography, no. How can it? It's just a machine. However, my images looks subtly different from camera to camera. Images from my medium format camera have a different viewpoint because it has a waist level finder. This is most obvious when shooting portraits. Having said this, I would choose a certain camera knowing I have a certain job to do. I'd not choose to shoot medium format if I needed to work fast for example.

Then the OP assumes that we all use DSLRs and all shoot exclusively digital.

If I was discussing the differences between DSLRs, then I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever if you are using a D810 or a 5D MkIII... absolutely none. All DSLRs essentially work in the same way. Some may be faster than others, some may have better low light ability etc, but you use them in the same way, so the images will be the same.

Choice of medium - film or digital - that has a huge effect on the outcome.


It's an obvious question I'm surprised has been asked. The answer is obviously, yes, and no, and is certainly not the same for everyone.


Everybody says the same thing "oh my camera is just a tool. Th camera doesn't make you a better photographer" but for me, I am a bit more honest and I have to say that I need to have an enjoyable camera on my hands in order to be inspired to photograph. I am sorry if somebody doesn't agree with me , but I need to actually like what I have in my hands. It doesn't need to be a Leica , but it doesn't need to be a 20£ point and shoot. I just need something that doesn't compromise my photographs.

Not agreeing with you is not what bothers me here, its that you assume anyone who DOES disagree with you is being dishonest. Don't you think that's a wee bit arrogant?

I genuinely don't give a stuff about cameras. In many ways, I hate the ****ing things. They promote pointless gear based rivalry and boring conversations amongst amateurs about what lens is better than what other lens, and we end up with images all looking the same - taken for the same reason: Because people are inspired by cameras and not the subject. Amateurs treat cameras like jewellery or status symbols in the main. A modern codpiece..... I have a 5D MkIII with L series "glass" so I am powerful. Look at me.

I understand about not having something that compromises your photographs... of course.. if it did, then it's the wrong tool for the job, but to need a certain kind of camera to be inspired to take a photograph means your interest in photography is the cameras... the actual mechanical and optical processes. For me, it's the subject. I don't care what I use so long as it's the right tool for the job. The camera certainly will not be inspiring me. This is why some photographers don't even take the photo themselves. Rankin for instance, or Gregory Crewdson... they have someone else operate the camera. A great many amateurs will inevitably now say "Then it's not his photograph". Why? Because he never pressed the button? Is that all photography is? Pressing a button? They do so as to not be distracted by the part that requires no skill... pressing the damned button. They've set up the shot, realised their vision, lit it, arranged it... whatever needs to be done is done... pressing the button can be done by any fool. Ridley Scott never actually operated the cameras either, but he's still the director of the film - it's still HIS film... not the camera operator's.
 
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In many ways, I hate the ****ing things

I know exactly what you mean. I like getting a new lens to play with - who doesn't like a shiny new toy? - but I dislike buying cameras and the associated kit, in the same way I dislike buying cars. Or holidays. There's so much choice and the endless number of gear reviews and comparisons means that I feel its incumbent on me to try them out, read the reviews, analyse the tests, listen to the salesman. There are occasionally special requirements but most of the time any (reasonable) camera will do.
 
In many ways, I hate the ****ing things. They promote pointless gear based rivalry and boring conversations amongst amateurs about what lens is better than what other lens, and we end up with images all looking the same - taken for the same reason: Because people are inspired by cameras and not the subject.

Exactly - at the end of the day, they're a light tight box with a hole at one end and a whole load of irritating technology getting in the way... a necessary evil to get the representation of the scene in front of me that's in my head onto a form of permanent media for display to a wider audience.
 
It's not a daft question, motives apart, but I think it comes down to whether you're this type of photographer...

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...or this type of photographer...

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(both are equally valid, by the way).
 
I know exactly what you mean. I like getting a new lens to play with - who doesn't like a shiny new toy? - but I dislike buying cameras and the associated kit, in the same way I dislike buying cars. Or holidays. There's so much choice and the endless number of gear reviews and comparisons means that I feel its incumbent on me to try them out, read the reviews, analyse the tests, listen to the salesman.
And then whatever you do buy, there's this nagging fear that it might not have been the right choice.

Its not just cameras and cars and holidays - it's everything. You might not believe how much research can be involved in choosing stone for a patio for example (my current bugbear). I've read and talked so much about the properties of sandstone, limestone, granite, concrete, porcelain, slate, quartzite, and so on. Colour, texture, slip resistance, porosity, ease of laying, and so on. But at the end of the day it's just an area to park a table and chairs outside the house and I'm sure they'd all do the job. Too much choice!
 
It's not a daft question, motives apart, but I think it comes down to whether you're this type of photographer...

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...or this type of photographer...

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(both are equally valid, by the way).

Note sure what you're trying to say here. Are you assuming that the woman with the compact is taking less care over her framing than the person under the hood?
 
The camera doesn't DICTATE your photography, no. How can it? It's just a machine. However, my images looks subtly different from camera to camera. Images from my medium format camera have a different viewpoint because it has a waist level finder. This is most obvious when shooting portraits. Having said this, I would choose a certain camera knowing I have a certain job to do. I'd not choose to shoot medium format if I needed to work fast for example.

Then the OP assumes that we all use DSLRs and all shoot exclusively digital.

If I was discussing the differences between DSLRs, then I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever if you are using a D810 or a 5D MkIII... absolutely none. All DSLRs essentially work in the same way. Some may be faster than others, some may have better low light ability etc, but you use them in the same way, so the images will be the same.

Choice of medium - film or digital - that has a huge effect on the outcome.


It's an obvious question I'm surprised has been asked. The answer is obviously, yes, and no, and is certainly not the same for everyone.




Not agreeing with you is not what bothers me here, its that you assume anyone who DOES disagree with you is being dishonest. Don't you think that's a wee bit arrogant?

I genuinely don't give a stuff about cameras. In many ways, I hate the ****ing things. They promote pointless gear based rivalry and boring conversations amongst amateurs about what lens is better than what other lens, and we end up with images all looking the same - taken for the same reason: Because people are inspired by cameras and not the subject. Amateurs treat cameras like jewellery or status symbols in the main. A modern codpiece..... I have a 5D MkIII with L series "glass" so I am powerful. Look at me.

I understand about not having something that compromises your photographs... of course.. if it did, then it's the wrong tool for the job, but to need a certain kind of camera to be inspired to take a photograph means your interest in photography is the cameras... the actual mechanical and optical processes. For me, it's the subject. I don't care what I use so long as it's the right tool for the job. The camera certainly will not be inspiring me. This is why some photographers don't even take the photo themselves. Rankin for instance, or Gregory Crewdson... they have someone else operate the camera. A great many amateurs will inevitably now say "Then it's not his photograph". Why? Because he never pressed the button? Is that all photography is? Pressing a button? They do so as to not be distracted by the part that requires no skill... pressing the damned button. They've set up the shot, realised their vision, lit it, arranged it... whatever needs to be done is done... pressing the button can be done by any fool. Ridley Scott never actually operated the cameras either, but he's still the director of the film - it's still HIS film... not the camera operator's.
Ei mate don't take it personally just my opinion :)

I don't believe necessarily "amateurs" treat the equipment like that. You see professionals doing that too.
What I think is that despite a camera is a tool (like a pen is a tool as well) don't b******t me and say that you can do the same with a 1£ tool and a 100£ tool and enjoy the process and have the same results with both.
 
Note sure what you're trying to say here. Are you assuming that the woman with the compact is taking less care over her framing than the person under the hood?

Quite the opposite.

If you're the type of photographer who uses lots of kit, then you choose the camera for the job.

If you're the type of photographer who has one camera, you make the pictures that camera allows you to.

Neither type is in any way better than the other, so absolutely no value judgement intended.
 
What I think is that despite a camera is a tool (like a pen is a tool as well) don't b******t me and say that you can do the same with a 1£ tool and a 100£ tool and enjoy the process and have the same results with both.

Hmmmm....

I enjoy making images if they have a purpose. Yes, I will enjoy the process just as much if my camera cost £100 or £10,000. Why would it make a difference? I'll frame the shot, take a light reading, set exposure, focus, and press the shutter. So long as the lens is decent, and it's the right tool for the job, I genuinely do not care about how much the camera costs, no. What would make it less enjoyable is if the camera I am using is not the right one for the task. However, being more expensive doesn't mean it will better suited. Using a Nikon D5 for architecture would be stupid, and I'd hate using it, despite costing £5k or whatever it costs. However, I'd enjoy using a 5x4 camera I picked up at a bargain price from a car boot sale far more, as it would be the right tool for the job.... assuming it had a decent lens and the bellows didn't leak.

When people look at my photographs, they neither know, nor care what they were shot with... so why should I?
 
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I'll agree with that. I've been using a £1 car boot Polaroid camera recently. Quite an enjoyable process with an interesting image. Which reminds me, I must add some of my projects.
 
"Dictate" may perhaps be too strong a word; how about "strongly suggest" instead? Part of the problem may be that to most people, a camera is either something used at eye level or at arm's length, depending on whether it has a viewfinder or just a screen on the back. This virtual monoculture comes with digital cameras (I'm excluding digital backs as a minority interest, here at least); film cameras present more choices.

In my experience, given my intrinsic lazyness, an eye level camera tempts me to look around and use it as I use my eyes, and just capture the obvious. If I want to be less severe on myself, I could argue that an eye level camera encourages a sense of active participation in rather than detachment from a scene. I personally find that this factor does influence how I "naturally" view a subject, and it takes an effort to break out of the "eye level reflex reaction" to a more considered approach.

Yes, I could use any camera in the same way as a tripod mounted view camera. But it takes far more conscious effort, and, in my experience, without a tripod it's hard to view the entire screen carefully without moving the camera. Some cameras (e.g. the Olympus E3) don't let you see the whole of the screen unless you move your eye physically in relation to the viewfinder, and this isn't easy if you're handholding.

OK, I lack self discipline and require the camera to provide it - but I submit that that factor alone means that the camera strongly suggests how I work. Hence my preference to use a camera that doesn't present extra obstacles in my way. And there are times (and subjects) where an eye level camera does work best for me.
 
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