Does the 5d Mark 3 make you a better photographer?

joescrivens said:
It is fact that it has no limitation,
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What are the limitations of the single shot shutter release method?

I'm just trying to think but all I can come up with is drawbacks to both methods but no real limitations to either.
 
joescrivens said:
I thought you had said your last word on it and we were leaving it there? :shrug:
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we were , but then you decided to reiterate you point about there being no limitations

but lets leave it here anyway - you think one thing, I think another , but we are both big enough to respect the others viewpoint (without either of us reitterating our position again in an attempt to have the last word ) :hug2:
 
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NOOO don't start this again Toggerman!
 
Toggerman said:
What are the limitations of the single shot shutter release method?

I'm just trying to think but all I can come up with is drawbacks to both methods but no real limitations to either.
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you have some reading to do :lol:

if you go back and read the thread from page 1 you will find the limitations described in a number of the posts. Having spent a number of pages on it though, I think Big Soft Moose and I would rather you didn't post about it again though for fear of us ending up in the bermuda triangle :lol:
 
whom said:
NOOO don't start this again Toggerman!
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:lol: Sorry mate, but it's a genuine question as I'm sat here thinking about trying BBF again now that I have my Nikons. So far been happy with the normal way and I can see the advantages and drawbacks to both methods but I can't see how I'm limited either way.

for teh sake of peace and friendship I'll withdraw my question and just give it a try instead.
 
joescrivens said:
you have some reading to do :lol:

if you go back and read the thread from page 1 you will find the limitations described in a number of the posts. Having spent a number of pages on it though, I think Big Soft Moose and I would rather you didn't post about it again though for fear of us ending up in the bermuda triangle :lol:
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I've read it from the start, it was me who pointed out that you can maintain focus lock as long as you don't fully release the button. The examples you gave shows to me that you can't maintain (or find it harder to) a half pressed shutter, which is a limitation with you and not the method. Similar to how BSM says he finds it hard to use the back button. Personally I find it easy to maintain a half press, so for me that limit doesn't exist.

Maybe I have missed something, I'll look through it again.
 
Actually Toggerman please get them arguing again, I preferred them that way.
 
If you are photographing someone on a swing coming towards and away from you (and don't want to use AF-servo) and let's say you want to capture the person when they are closest to you during each swing, then if you use the half shutter release then once you have taken the shot you will have to refocus the next time the person swings up again.

If you use the back focus button method then your focus is locked at the point when they are closest to you so you can keep shooting each time they come close during the swing without having to refocus again. :)
 
I'm sure someone can say it more clearly than that though
 
Toggerman said:
I've read it from the start, it was me who pointed out that you can maintain focus lock as long as you don't fully release the button. The examples you gave shows to me that you can't maintain (or find it harder to) a half pressed shutter, which is a limitation with you and not the method. Similar to how BSM says he finds it hard to use the back button. Personally I find it easy to maintain a half press, so for me that limit doesn't exist.

Maybe I have missed something, I'll look through it again.
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Must ......... refrain ......... from ........... going ........... round ............ in ........... circles ............. so ............. hard ............. not ............. to ............ join ............. in ................a ................. debate!!!!


Ahhhhhhhh, I've managed it. Someone get me a medal quick! :lol:
 
gman said:
If you are photographing someone on a swing coming towards and away from you (and don't want to use AF-servo) and let's say you want to capture the person when they are closest to you during each swing, then if you use the half shutter release then once you have taken the shot you will have to refocus the next time the person swings up again.

If you use the back focus button method then your focus is locked at the point when they are closest to you so you can keep shooting each time they come close during the swing without having to refocus again. :)
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But if you never fully release the shutter button the focus stays locked in that position and you can fully depress the shutter button again, it does not refocus, I've done this many times in that very situation.

It's all a bit moot for me now as I've just been looking how to change the setting on my D700 and I've found a button marked AF-L, which locks the focus allowing me to fully release the shutter button and press it again with it refocussing :thumbs:

I really should read the manual :bonk:
 
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I didn't know that, learnt something new! But I think I'd find it tricky to try and not fully release the shutter button by accident. Back focus button makes a lot of sense to me for certain situations. But I'm thinking, doesn't AF-servo work for this situation? (if it's up to the job that is!)
 
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gman said:
doesn't AF-servo work for this situation? (if it's up to the job that is!)
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if you want your composition to be restricted to only where there is a focus point on the subject - yes. You have to accept that limitation though.
 
joescrivens said:
if you want your composition to be restricted to only where there is a focus point on the subject - yes. You have to accept that limitation though.
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I withdraw your medal
 
Toggerman said:
But if you never fully release the shutter button the focus stays locked in that position and you can fully depress the shutter button again, it does not refocus, I've done this many times in that very situation.

It's all a bit moot for me now as I've just been looking how to change the setting on my D700 and I've found a button marked AF-L, which locks the focus allowing me to fully release the shutter button and press it again with it refocussing :thumbs:

I really should read the manual :bonk:
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Hopefully this won't revive the arguments, but I agree with Toggerman here...

I have now been trying BBFing since my entry to this thread, and made the decision last night to revert to my old method.
My main problem with it was that I love shooting shallow DOF, so generally I will be wider than f/2.8. I found that when BBfing I was focusing, then re-composing the shot MORE than I would when using the half shutter press and hold method. For me, this was resulting in more OOF shots. Not massively OOF, just enough to be deemed OOF @ 100% or thereabouts.

Using normal half button press and hold method, I tend to focus - lock exposure with the * button, then recompose as required while still holding and then take the shot. I cant explain why, but when doing it with BBF I recomposed more and thus lost accurate focus.

I think if I had a camera with better AF I would use the outer points and be able to rely on them for accurate AF lock and not need to worry so much about recomposing. But as the 5D series (1 and 2) might as well be a 1 spot focus camera I have to recompose!
 
gman said:
I didn't know that, learnt something new! But I think I'd find it tricky to try and not fully release the shutter button by accident. Back focus button makes a lot of sense to me for certain situations. But I'm thinking, doesn't AF-servo work for this situation? (if it's up to the job that is!)
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It can be quite tricky, you really have to keep it in mind whilst shooting. BBF is easier in this situation but my point is that normal methods are not impossible either.

I've now found out how to disable shutter focus from my D700, going to give servo BBF another try as the AF button is in a nicer place on the D700.
 
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joescrivens said:
No, we all say all the time. Better equipment will not make you a better photographer ....

... however,



Im not saying these are the best portraits ever taken, but putting my 5d mk 3 in her hands and showing her those 4 things she can now produce this compared to her terrible flat compact shots.
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What you have described is not that the 5d3 makes you a better photograther, what it does it generates more keepers in terms of in focus none blury crisp shots. thats it.

the 5dmk3 wont all of a sudden make you a god in the use of light and composition. those come from you the person behind the camera.

So to answer your question, no the 5d3 doesnt make your wife a better photograther. She can produce the exact same results on any and camera. even a point and shoot. However, with a point and shoot your keeper rate may decrease and thats my point.

All these fancy new camera's and lenses only allow you to take pictures on some extreme rare conditions and/or give u more keeper rates(beter fast AF, better ISO, larger Apparture etc etc)

Those pics are nice from your wife, she looks like she has decent composition knowledge and that is thanks to her and her only. not the equipment
 
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