does it annoy you?

WillieL said:
I read this thread earlier today about people using others photos when low & behold my local Herald & Post dropped through my door tonight and there on the back page a photo I took at the BUPA Xcountry at Holyrood earlier this year is plastered over the back page around A5 in size!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds like they require an invoice .... :rules:
 
MagicMynx said:
No it doesn't - it stays there when the original gallery is deleted.
That's how my pics ended up in several people's facebook galleries.
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i just tested it using one of the gf's gallerys and all it did was put a link on my wall to her gallery.. :shrug:

concidering how hot FB are with copyright infringment id be surprised if it copied the images.
 
im not sure how that happened then but i dont think it became of the link you mention..

but like i say FB are red hot on copyright, if you report an image itll generally get taken down in a couple of hours. hence i cant see why they would provide a function to make them effectively 2 faced? 2 faced book.. see what i did there?
 
suze23 said:
i have seen loads that use one particular company!.... its so easily done its unreal...

my friend uses mine which tbh i have no problem with (shes my best mate). And leaves my copyright on. however i do know this is still 'breaking the rules' and not sure where she or i would stand knowing i have given her permission to use waermarked images on FB?
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If you have given permission there is no issue, no rule has been broken, she would have to tick the box which states `I certify that I have the right to distribute these photos and that they do not violate the Terms of Use.` to be able to upload. By giving her permission she is covered to do it and there is no problem with where you stand, as copyright holder you have the say-so if she uses them or not, not facebook :)
 
cyclone said:
Not facebook, but...

I took a photo of my Nephew and sent it to my Dad at 800 or 1200px. My Sister got hold of it, printed A4 and gave it the the kids Great Grandparents as a gift. I didn't know it was happening until it actually happened.

I was annoyed that they didn't ask my permission. But I was mortified that a photo of mine had been printed so big off such a small file.
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This is the bit that annoys me - quite a few people have taken my pictures off facebook and printed them out or used them as desktops in crappy quality. If they'd asked I probably would have given them a decent res file for free.
 
n1kcy said:
The photos or your children?
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The photos! At his age they were almost certainly not his children. He's an amateur photographer himself so he of all people should have known how annoying it is when other people steal the credit for your photos.. bleh.
 
suze23 said:
yehh it is!..

what power do you have over those pictures then.... none probably, or very difficult to prove they are yours?

thats why i only have friends on my facebook.... but watermark everything that goes on my website and Fb business page....!!
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Always crop a 5mm border off your pics and post the cropped ones but keep the full ones yourself. If someone then claims them to be their own, ask them for the 5mm border. If they can't provide it but you can, you have proof of prior ownership over them ( you can't have copied it from them as you have more of it !! ).
 
astral16v said:
Always crop a 5mm border off your pics and post the cropped ones but keep the full ones yourself. If someone then claims them to be their own, ask them for the 5mm border. If they can't provide it but you can, you have proof of prior ownership over them ( you can't have copied it from them as you have more of it !! ).
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Genius :thumbs:
 
astral16v said:
Always crop a 5mm border off your pics and post the cropped ones but keep the full ones yourself. If someone then claims them to be their own, ask them for the 5mm border. If they can't provide it but you can, you have proof of prior ownership over them ( you can't have copied it from them as you have more of it !! ).
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Yep :thumbs:
I always crop mine [ admittedly mainly cos my camera does`nt have a dimension setting that I would print from `as is` ], so all my uploaded shots are provable as being mine due to the original size therefore the uncropped and un-pp`d versions being something a photo thief could`nt replicate. I do give permission to friends to upload jpegs I`ve sent them but they tend to tell people I took the shots. I wonder how people can tag without the permission thing as I`ve had to click to give permission when anyone has tried tagging mine ?
 
Crazyhorse said:
Competitors at equestrian events are the worse for this type of thing. (In my opinion).

When I contacted one person about nicking my images (if she liked them so much, why didin't she buy them on the day):):) she actually wrote back along the lines of:

My uncle is a photographer and he is well aware that people take his images off his website or facebook. He's fine about it and so should you be. I have done nothing wrong in using your images. By the way, when I asked you to take photos of my younger sister, did you get my parents permission as she is a minor and my uncle said you have broken the law by taking photos of her without her parents permission. I have also been to see a solicitor (she names them) and I have been advised that I am perfectly at right to use images of myself and my sister from your website or facebook'.

That is more or less what she replied to me. Cheeky swine. Anyway, after reporting her to facebook, the images were quickly removed :)

Lisa
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That's funny, glad to see that Facebook acted on it though. They are fairly good with that sort of stuff though. Bloody ignorant people though, that just thoroughly annoys me.


suze23 said:
i have seen loads that use one particular company!.... its so easily done its unreal...

my friend uses mine which tbh i have no problem with (shes my best mate). And leaves my copyright on. however i do know this is still 'breaking the rules' and not sure where she or i would stand knowing i have given her permission to use waermarked images on FB?
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You're the one who can say what happens with you images, Facebook will only act if they receive a copyright take down notice, otherwise they'll assume that people have permission to use the images.

WillieL said:
I read this thread earlier today about people using others photos when low & behold my local Herald & Post dropped through my door tonight and there on the back page a photo I took at the BUPA Xcountry at Holyrood earlier this year is plastered over the back page around A5 in size!!!!!!!!!
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Send them an invoice + double for unlawful use. For a local paper, the minimum you should charge without VAT and unlawful use is £160. That would provide them with a license for a single edition print use, but not include web rights.

Check out the Freelance Fees Guide for some reasonable rates.


astral16v said:
Always crop a 5mm border off your pics and post the cropped ones but keep the full ones yourself. If someone then claims them to be their own, ask them for the 5mm border. If they can't provide it but you can, you have proof of prior ownership over them ( you can't have copied it from them as you have more of it !! ).
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Or shoot in RAW and never give those away. RAW will have all the camera data and if put through the correct software, will come up with your camera's serial number.
 
The real question is how do these people get your photos?

I have no problem with my photos turning up on Facebook, but then I give my photos to people (they don't make me money and they're no good to me sat on my computer) for that purpose of putting on their Facebooks.

If you are a working pro, you ought to be controlling where your photos are going. Given the nature of photography consumption these days, you have to be smart at the game. It's an unfortunate aspect of modern photography consumption that most people would be satisfied with an image barely 600 pixels wide.

As an amateur, I don't really care so much. I'm not making money from my photography (and anything that does make me money is subject to proper control measures) so I'm not losing anything I wouldn't have made. People are people.
 
After Whitby Gothic Weekend several people used my photos as their profile picture or added them to their albums, sourced from either my Facebook or Flickr. To be honest I'm quite happy with this, they were good enough to pose for me, were very friendly and were a big part of me having an enjoyable weekend. I see it as a loose TFCD kind of thing.
 
mustanir said:
If you are a working pro, you ought to be controlling where your photos are going. Given the nature of photography consumption these days, you have to be smart at the game. It's an unfortunate aspect of modern photography consumption that most people would be satisfied with an image barely 600 pixels wide.
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That does show a big lack of understanding - I don't know any pro photographers (or for that matter many photographers full stop) who don't go to considerable effort to protect their images. People will go to consierable efforts to steal images and you can't actually beat someone really determined.

I had a wedding client download trial photoshop, & learn to use the clone tool to get rid of a watermark on a 600 px wide image and then print from said image.

If they'd asked they could of had it
 
neil_g said:
yes its annoying, free publicity cannot be offset against people stealing your images repeatedly.

even more annoying is that fact that you can have massively intrusive watermarking, disable caching, disable right click, disable save as, even offer them a legal way of obtaining a facebook sized image and theyll still go out of their way to steal..

like so:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=2669266&postcount=11
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Of course, on the bright side, everyone who likes the photo has your web address? :shrug:
 
Snap_Happy said:
Of course, on the bright side, everyone who likes the photo has your web address? :shrug:
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free stuff lost in the mountain of drivel on facebook is not any sort of publicity. Pages/Images you are in control of can be though
 
i dont put anything on facebook that i dont mind people using.
happy for anyone to use facebook stuff i do post, as it all leads back to me and the company.
and yes , we have had work from people who have seen/used my/our photos.

now if stuff from the official website gets used. thats a very different matter.
we have forced several people to take down images pinched from a heavily watermarked, and right click dissabled proof gallery's .
we have even invoiced one company for pinching an image.
 
I can't beleive that anyone wants to stop their famly from using and enjoying their images.. seems pretty daft.. After all, who else would be bothered? :cuckoo:
 
boyfalldown said:
That does show a big lack of understanding - I don't know any pro photographers (or for that matter many photographers full stop) who don't go to considerable effort to protect their images. People will go to consierable efforts to steal images and you can't actually beat someone really determined.

I had a wedding client download trial photoshop, & learn to use the clone tool to get rid of a watermark on a 600 px wide image and then print from said image.

If they'd asked they could of had it
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Putting in a lot of effort to protect your photos isn't the same as being smart about it. Like I said, you have to accept a certain amount given the nature of photography consumption. If your client is happy to print off 600 px wide images of their wedding, poor them. I hope your pricing model requires the client to pay for your time as well as any prints.
 
I used to let anyone use my facebook pics, then I got better at my photography. More people wanted them, more people chopped them up. I now let people use my pics with strict instructions they cant edit them, if they abuse this request, they get reported and the image is removed by facebook.
I tag myself in the image, ask them to remove and contact me, send them an email asking the same, if not done within a week, it gets removed, simples!
 
I hate everything, so the answer would be my default: Yes.
 
we11ingon said:
I can't beleive that anyone wants to stop their famly from using and enjoying their images.. seems pretty daft.. After all, who else would be bothered? :cuckoo:
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I don't stop them enjoying my images...I don't have a problem with them enjoying my images, what I have a problem with is them copying them onto their profile into their galleries and passing them off as their own.
 
Currently I'd be flattered if anybody wanted to steal my pictures :lol:


But long term yes it would annoy me - and I've been thinking it may be time to start popping a basic watermark on my images.
 
my daughter in law put up a pic of their dog on face book, (pyranian mountain dog). i told her off on her profile asking "wheres the refferal to my pic"? no comment on her answer so no more pics her way :nono:
 
MagicMynx said:
I don't stop them enjoying my images...I don't have a problem with them enjoying my images, what I have a problem with is them copying them onto their profile into their galleries and passing them off as their own.
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Yep, this exactly! I'm very happy to share my *family* photos around - I'd just like a credit. It grates seeing someone else getting the appreciation for one of my photos.
 
mustanir said:
Putting in a lot of effort to protect your photos isn't the same as being smart about it. Like I said, you have to accept a certain amount given the nature of photography consumption. If your client is happy to print off 600 px wide images of their wedding, poor them. I hope your pricing model requires the client to pay for your time as well as any prints.
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What I find really annoying is people patronising without offering any clear advice or insight :D:D Maybe you'd be good enough to explain hown you protect your images & maybe how you're smart about it?
 
boyfalldown said:
What I find really annoying is people patronising without offering any clear advice or insight :D:D Maybe you'd be good enough to explain hown you protect your images & maybe how you're smart about it?
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agreed. im wondering if he'd read my original post in this thread explaining the steps id taken and how people still get around them..
 
Neil_g - there are a few more steps you can do, but ultimately, if people want to rip off your images, there are always ways. The only real way to completely stop them is to have full [and these can be web-based] applications to view your photos. This will give you enhanced privileges, including the ability to disable print screen. My brother deals with this problem as part of his job [half this job is writing code to stop people grabbing images for free, half is seeing if he can take images [just as proof of concept, I hasten to add!] from his competitors!].

As I say, it's my bro, not I, who does this stuff, but I can ask if he's willing to share any of the tricks? [although I think it requires quite intense coding...]
 
neil_g said:
i know irfanview does, corel software used to, snagit, faststone..

err, huge amount more if you google for it too.
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OK - I'll ask - just wasn't sure precisely what you were talking about - these are all image manipulation programs though, so now I won't sound so vague when talking to him :thumbs:
 
OK - I asked - you're right...

Under XP and below [he's not sure about Vista, but definitely not Windows 7] you could make the users run stuff via a downloaded program, which accessed the base programming of windows to disable other programs from seeing the screen. This can't be done on windows 7, so the data supplier removed that requirement, and now all that is irrelevant to his company!

So, in short - yes you could, if on XP or below [and I think they had done it for other OS's as well] but you can't in the latest version of windows. The joys of progress... :shrug:
 
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