Do you think a war is on the way

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Not a war like Iraq or Afghanistan I mean a world war

Fuel and food prices going through the roof

£4 billion to be spent on 2 new massive aircraft carriers

Do you think a war is coming, Aircraft carriers last a long time so it might be 10 years off but why else would we be spending such a large amount of money when everyone is screaming recession :shrug:
 
wack61 said:
Not a war like Iraq or Afghanistan I mean a world war

Fuel and food prices going through the roof

£4 billion to be spent on 2 new massive aircraft carriers

Do you think a war is coming, Aircraft carriers last a long time so it might be 10 years off but why else would we be spending such a large amount of money when everyone is screaming recession :shrug:
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One good reason is jobs, it will save 10,000 direct jobs and god knows how many indirectly.
 
Some might argue we're already in a World War.
 
The fuel prices is going up because of OUR government, they don't tell you that. Just look at the VAT that put on it. Food has been put up because lorries needed to deliver the foods need diesel to run and that is going up in price so shops need to bump the price up on food to keep the haulage companies happy. It all works it's way back down to the government.
 
Techno-Geek said:
The fuel prices is going up because of OUR government, they don't tell you that. Just look at the VAT that put on it. Food has been put up because lorries needed to deliver the foods need diesel to run and that is going up in price so shops need to bump the price up on food to keep the haulage companies happy. It all works it's way back down to the government.
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You're obviously not aware that there is a war going on in Iraq, Nigeria has issues with its oil supply and Iran is putting up it's prices along with the Saudis.

But I guess that's our governments fault too.
 
Fuel prices are rising worldwide, yes the tax plays a major part but prices are also rising sharply in the US where the tax is lower, China is already talking of a shortage of rice and food.
these ships will bring short term jobs but once they're built that's it so it's not about creating jobs
 
If they took tax off fuel, it would only go on something else.

What annoys me the most is...........nah, sod it......:)
 
fracster said:
If they took tax off fuel, it would only go on something else.

What annoys me the most is...........nah, sod it......:)
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Were you going to say something about fuel prices and it's effect on fox hunting? :p
 
KayJay said:
You're obviously not aware that there is a war going on in Iraq, Nigeria has issues with its oil supply and Iran is putting up it's prices along with the Saudis.

But I guess that's our governments fault too.
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I am only too aware of the war going on in Iraq, But that isn't a world war

Everyone wants oil and are willing to fight for it. But fuel pricing does full back on to our government. Just read up about it
 
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KayJay said:
Were you going to say something about fuel prices and it's effect on fox hunting? :p
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No.......not a drop has passed my lips tonight.........:lol:
 
Techno-Geek said:
I am only too aware of the war going on in Iraq, But that isn't a world war

Everyone wants oil and are willing to fight for it. But fuel pricing does full back on to our government. Just read up about it
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Links please. I'd like to read that. I'd like to know how our government can control oil prices across the globe.
 
have you seen the state of our carriers?? if you had you wouldnt be asking why were getting new ones!!

Were a world power and its embarising how badly equipped we are!! ask any serving soldier airman or sailor.. its woefull!!

in a way it IS a world war, just not in the way it was during the first two! there are a lot of countries involved in one way or another.. not all are helping us..
 
fracster said:
If they took tax off fuel, it would only go on something else.

What annoys me the most is...........nah, sod it......:)
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Same with cigarettes if everybody gave up smoking they would have to get the duty from somewhere.
So I say carry on smoking folks......... DON'T GIVE IT UP!!:D...........

Yes I know it costs the health service a lot of money.
 
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KayJay said:
Links please. I'd like to read that. I'd like to know how our government can control oil prices across the globe.
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Did i say they did across the globe? No. The fuel comes in to this country, the government sticks a tax on it.

Linky
 
This is part of the reason Iran hasn't been attacked yet. Britain does not want America to attack Iran because we'd then be pressured into backing a new front on the war in the middle east or risk being alienated by our biggest ally, the United States. Should a war break out our own armed forces will be stretched to breaking point. From what I've read and seen on the news our armed forces are not the best equipped in the world. But today war doesn't necessarily have to be fought on the battle field and this will become more evident over the next few years given the current climate.
 
Techno-Geek said:
Did i say they did across the globe? No. The fuel comes in to this country, the government sticks a tax on it.

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Of course the government puts a tax on it. Everything in Britain is taxed. But what is your argument and how does it relate to the possibility of a world war?
 
I'm not going to risk another argument, nor see one.

I'm out
 
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KayJay said:
Of course the government puts a tax on it. Everything in Britain is taxed. But what is your argument and how does it relate to the possibility of a world war?
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I think you will find you stated about the world war, not me. I stated about the government :)

KayJay said:
This is part of the reason Iran hasn't been attacked yet. Britain does not want America to attack Iran because we'd then be pressured into backing a new front on the war in the middle east or risk being alienated by our biggest ally, the United States. Should a war break out our own armed forces will be stretched to breaking point. From what I've read and seen on the news our armed forces are not the best equipped in the world. But today war doesn't necessarily have to be fought on the battle field and this will become more evident over the next few years given the current climate.
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World war!!!!!

Let's just leave it at that now, each have our own views on this. Tony :thumbs:
 
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I'd be happy to leave it at that, your argument if I can call it that is totally flawed, and after all this is a thread about world war... which you seem to be missing.

I'm actually quite disappointed I didn't get a good argument tonight.
 
wack61 said:
Fuel and food prices going through the roof
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That is what i was responding to.....

Techno-Geek said:
The fuel prices is going up because of OUR government, they don't tell you that. Just look at the VAT that put on it. Food has been put up because lorries needed to deliver the foods need diesel to run and that is going up in price so shops need to bump the price up on food to keep the haulage companies happy. It all works it's way back down to the government.
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Does it make sense now?

Maybe i should have made it clearer what i was responding too
 
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But aren't those the same effects felt by every other country having to deal with rising fuel costs? If you are blaming the government then perhaps suggest a solution?
 
KayJay said:
But aren't those the same effects felt by every other country having to deal with rising fuel costs? If you are blaming the government then perhaps suggest a solution?
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Yep, same in America dude.

Yeah i will do actually, Get on a bike once in a while and pedal somewhere with your own power :D
 
Part of the reason I'm not feeling a lot of the effects is because I use the train and walk. I also shop at ALDI lol. Honestly, people complain too much without looking into other ways to reduce their financial strain.

However in saying that the train stations I use have no gates. I feel like a student. :D
 
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Walking is good for you and saves you alot of money at the same time :D
 
lol. true. I think I'm going to go to bed now. T'was a good discussion tonight.
 
If there is a war it will most likely be a class war, global or not. I can't help but notice that for every step forward this country makes it also seems to take 2 steps backward. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Health care facilities are getting better but are often restrictive and seem to be based on ability to pay, as do care services. It's almost like we are seeing a return to victorian society where the underclass are literally begging or stealing to survive.

Having lived stateside I also know this is relevant to America too. I've seen for myself hospitals turning away sick people because they can't pay. I've seen the churches providing welfare stations for the needy. And I've seen the schools opening up their kitchens during the holidays to ensure the kids get a hot meal.

War? Life is a constant battle...
 
hepburn said:
If there is a war it will most likely be a class war, global or not. I can't help but notice that for every step forward this country makes it also seems to take 2 steps backward. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Health care facilities are getting better but are often restrictive and seem to be based on ability to pay, as do care services. It's almost like we are seeing a return to victorian society where the underclass are literally begging or stealing to survive.

Having lived stateside I also know this is relevant to America too. I've seen for myself hospitals turning away sick people because they can't pay. I've seen the churches providing welfare stations for the needy. And I've seen the schools opening up their kitchens during the holidays to ensure the kids get a hot meal.

War? Life is a constant battle...
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The NHS may be strugelling but any one in the uk can still walk into A&E and get seen by a doctor within 4 hours free at the point of care. Sometimes i think we forget how lucky we are.
 
Yep, when i broke my bone in my wrist i was seen within 20 minutes
 
Toothie said:
The NHS may be strugelling but any one in the uk can still walk into A&E and get seen by a doctor within 4 hours free at the point of care. Sometimes i think we forget how lucky we are.
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Hmm... providing they can get to the A&E in the first place, and afford to pay to park there. I seriously doubt a maximum wait of 4 hours on a typical friday or saturday night. My experience has been a wait of up to 8 hours or more on those nights. I'm sure it's not the rule, but then 4 hours isn't either.

Ever tried to get signed on with an NHS dentist of late? Not easy...

Ever been asked to pay for a private scan because of a 6 week wait on the NHS? My mum was...

Ever tried getting one of these "superdrugs"? Not easy...

I gather you work in the NHS Toothie, so i would expect a degree of insider knowledge. However, not all trusts are the same and some areas of the country may have wildly differing levels of service compared to Medway.

Yes, we are lucky to have these facilities you mention, but there's more to the NHS than A&E.
 
Techno-Geek said:
Yep, when i broke my bone in my wrist i was seen within 20 minutes
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In Wycombe I had to wait 5 hours to see a doctor, a total visit time of 8 hours including an x-ray, for a broken finger. They couldn't find the right equipment to deal with my injury (bit more than a broken finger) at first. And then the next day I had a consultant ring me to say he had reveiwed the x-ray and discovered my finger was broken in not one but two places.

I was grateful for the help I received but I could have done with being there a shorter time than I was.

Another time I needed medical attention I was turned away from one hospital and told to make my own way to a different one 25 miles away. At the time I was doubled up with stomach pains and barely able to walk, let alone drive. I wasn't impressed, as you would probably agree had you been in my shoes.
 
hepburn said:
Hmm... providing they can get to the A&E in the first place, and afford to pay to park there. I seriously doubt a maximum wait of 4 hours on a typical friday or saturday night. My experience has been a wait of up to 8 hours or more on those nights. I'm sure it's not the rule, but then 4 hours isn't either.

Ever tried to get signed on with an NHS dentist of late? Not easy...

Ever been asked to pay for a private scan because of a 6 week wait on the NHS? My mum was...

Ever tried getting one of these "superdrugs"? Not easy...

I gather you work in the NHS Toothie, so i would expect a degree of insider knowledge. However, not all trusts are the same and some areas of the country may have wildly differing levels of service compared to Medway.

Yes, we are lucky to have these facilities you mention, but there's more to the NHS than A&E.
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Yes there is more to the NHS than A&E, although i know sidcup A&E sees and treats over 98% of patients within 4 hours (i used to work there) And if you are in A&E for more than 4 hours the hospital gets fined.

Dentists are a real issue as are optishions mostly cost even if u get NHS treatment you still have to pay lots :( Which is a big problem and i personally think the govenment should reconsider this. But people don't die from detal abcesss in this country and a guy in america did recenetly because he didn't have insurance and couldnt afford the antibiotics. Which is mostly my point about being able to walk into a hospital and recieve treatment.

As for the Superdrugs the jury is still out on those as they are often miss represented in the press. And not always fully tested before every body is calling it a superdrug and demanding it.

Penicillin was once a superdrug and look what happened when they gave that to everybody who asked for it!
 
hepburn said:
In Wycombe I had to wait 5 hours to see a doctor, a total visit time of 8 hours including an x-ray, for a broken finger. They couldn't find the right equipment to deal with my injury (bit more than a broken finger) at first. And then the next day I had a consultant ring me to say he had reveiwed the x-ray and discovered my finger was broken in not one but two places.

I was grateful for the help I received but I could have done with being there a shorter time than I was.

Another time I needed medical attention I was turned away from one hospital and told to make my own way to a different one 25 miles away. At the time I was doubled up with stomach pains and barely able to walk, let alone drive. I wasn't impressed, as you would probably agree had you been in my shoes.
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There are always horror stories and you never get a 100% service and some nhs staff don't always do the job they should.

And in terms of getting there, not that im encouring it when not necessary but ambulances are still free.
 
Toothie said:
There are always horror stories and you never get a 100% service and some nhs staff don't always do the job they should.
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Yes, I agree and that's why I live in hope should I ever need future service. It just seems a little more commonplace compared to a few years ago.
 
hepburn said:
Yes, I agree and that's why I live in hope should I ever need future service. It just seems a little more commonplace compared to a few years ago.
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I would agree with you there, i have seen some really poor care of patients in my time, by lazy and incompatant staff.

For those of us that really want to do the best for are patients it can be just as fustrating as for the patients when the legistation and system lets you down.
 
I sometimes think a good full scale war would be a good thing, in a sad kind of way.

It reduces the world population by a fair bit through something that's not too far from natural selection. Also a spell in the army for some of the scrotes in this country through conscription might serve to raise the behaviour levels here too.

I know on a moral level mass war is something that can never be truely justified to all .... It it could.....it wouldn't have started in the first place.
 
Back to the original question, I really hope not.

We import nearly everything we now use as we produce very little and we could be crippled as a country within months if not weeks.

There isn't the patriotism left anymore as it has been slowly eroded away by bodies not wishing to offend others.

I could go on but I wont.
 
Mmmm, as for the original question, no. Everyone who matters militarily has nukes. No-one is going to start an all-out war with a nuclear-armed state.

The reason we are getting the carriers seems to be two fold; firstly so that we can invade small countries on the other side of the world without the Americans, and secondly to buy votes with jobs in the constituencies of certain ministers.
 
Don't think there's a World War coming - everyones too occupied fighting the small ones !!

The carriers are badly needed, nothing decent left afloat at the minute... as we have so little manufacturing industry left in this country too it's great to see us make something for a change, even if it is for military purposes - anything is better than nothing !!

simon
 
And when there's no where for them to sail to. Dock them up and use them as prisons. Two birds. One stone.:lol:
 
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