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Read about my encounter of photographers, it starts at paragraph 4. One particular photographer was very rude to me when I took that snap ... read more in the article.
 
If he is a pro then he needs the shot so it's dog eat dog in that situation.
 
foggy4ever said:
If he is a pro then he needs the shot so it's dog eat dog in that situation.
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After 1,000 snaps he took he still needed more? My point is, it's a public high street. I respect people's rights to be there, just as much as mine. ;)
 
Cynical me says you could have posted what you wanted to say without the need to link to your website ;)
 
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... After all, I seem to get along so well with photographers.
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Are you trolling? See me after school!

Seriously FP, you admitted a bad start here, and although you may have a valid point, I believe your real ply here is to wind-up the pro togs, as well as anyone of a mature age ;)

Go to bed you naughty boy :p
 
NigelPaul said:
Are you trolling? See me after school!

Seriously FP, you admitted a bad start here, and although you may have a valid point, I believe your real ply here is to wind-up the pro togs, as well as anyone of a mature age ;)

Go to bed you naughty boy :p
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Partly true. I like learning new things, so why can't photography be one of those things?
 
I can understand your reasoning that they have no more right to be photographing in a public place than you, but are you earning your daily bread with your pictures.

Manners would have been nice if used by the pro but manners are few and far between these days.
 
Fresh Politics said:
Partly true. I like learning new things, so why can't photography be one of those things?
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You have come to the right forum if you wish to learn more about photography, but I have this underlying feeling that your post is to wind up photographers, rather than learn from them, Apologies if I'm wrong.
 
Seems reasonable to me - guy's trying to work and an apparent 'amateur' is getting in his way...your youth and lack of Pro equipment are a giveaway and guys on the job don't have the luxury of time to make detailed introductions...
Without wishing to sound unkind, Press Phots are under a lot of pressure to produce the goods - you're doing this more or less as a hobby with the hope that it becomes something more substantial in the future... he's got to put bread on the table...

Whether he's got ten, twenty or 20,000 shots already, it might be the next one that clinches the deal and puts him on the front page - so you never stop shooting until it's all over....and even then be ready in case something else unexpected happens...

If you're genuinely intersted in the Journalism, then it's worth your while cultivating the members of the Press-Pack you encounter, not just the subjects they're covering...your piece sounds more like a FanBoy rave about Haig than a balanced article...
Once the photographers and journos on the beat recognise you as a serious player, you'll get much less of this...
 
What is it about the internet that makes people think they can post their petty moans and everyone will give a *****? Someone was a bit rude to you. It happens. Where's the story?

Get a life.
 
I hope a mod removes your link, you are definitely trying to bump your visitor count, You said so in your last thread. In which you were also a total fail.

Problem is, you are so bloody annoying that you will probably end up doing really well in politics.
 
Pizzes me off at these jobs when you get amateurs with toy cameras getting in the way. You want a good shot at these type of events - employ a photographer!
 
Maybe he was worried about you in the paparazzi type scrum that sometimes happens on these events. In your fawning over William Hague (who if you remember I compared you to him in his younger years), you might not have noticed the guy about to accidentally clout you with his bag/camera etc.

Lets face it, you took that shot with a camera phone, a Samsung S5230, so if the tog was asking you not to get into his shot, the pro tog would probably have seen you as a interested bystander, not as a roving journalist for a website. Using the camera on the phone, no matter how high a resolution or how good, just screams opportunist bypasser.

Rememebr, that pro tog has a news editor screaming for the photo of Hague, hopefully falling over, or upsetting someone by calling them a bigot ;)

Perhaps if you wore something that identified your website you might not only get a little more respect but possibly a quick interview also?
 
The impolite person here clearly was Fresh Politics - if you 'just stay back' you can all get pictures. If you get into a scrum situation then chances are all you'll get is an elbow in the ribs (or worse).
 
Fresh Politics said:
I like learning new things, so why can't photography be one of those things?
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Learning is good but be honest with yourself, your not here to learn Andrew. You know it all, right?

Arkady said:
Seems reasonable to me - guy's trying to work and an apparent 'amateur' is getting in his way...your youth and lack of Pro equipment are a giveaway and guys on the job don't have the luxury of time to make detailed introductions...
Without wishing to sound unkind, Press Phots are under a lot of pressure to produce the goods - you're doing this more or less as a hobby with the hope that it becomes something more substantial in the future... he's got to put bread on the table...

Whether he's got ten, twenty or 20,000 shots already, it might be the next one that clinches the deal and puts him on the front page - so you never stop shooting until it's all over....and even then be ready in case something else unexpected happens...

If you're genuinely intersted in the Journalism, then it's worth your while cultivating the members of the Press-Pack you encounter, not just the subjects they're covering...your piece sounds more like a FanBoy rave about Haig than a balanced article...
Once the photographers and journos on the beat recognise you as a serious player, you'll get much less of this...
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Take heed of the above. It's a good and healthy dose of truth.
I could never be that kind of photographer, that kind of pressure is not me at all, I like my 'lights' camera, action' deal. I can respect, admire and appreciate those that do work under that kind of pressure though, more so with the ones who risk their lives to report the truth.

Trev Rich said:
Problem is, you are so bloody annoying that you will probably end up doing really well in politics.
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Arrogance, uninhibited generalisations, absence of knowledge in real world instances, ignorant to solutions, childlike and excruciatingly boring.

Yup, definitely a UK politician in the making. Just support an absence of justice wherever there's profit and your on your way kid. :thumbs:
 
aye, kindly get out the way, chances are that the guy who's stuck getting a shot of your back while you're snapping away on your phone is a freelancer, and that shot is his day's wages...

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grum said:
Nice attitude. :|
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Oh, no, we'd all far rather let our happy snappers pop along, plonk themselves and their large rear in the front of the crowd, snap a few on their toy camera and 'send them in to the paper', and they'll be so proud of their 'photo credit'! Who cares, people don't have careers or bills or anything...
 
You think that just happens in photography? It might be more visible in photography, but that's just called dog eat dog. And if you're standing with a phone camera in your hand the photographer is going to try get you to move to get his shots in (be it 10 or 1000 shots).

In fairness, there are rude people everywhere, in every industry and every walk of life. And what you've described here is something pretty mild in comparison to a few things I've witnessed. Don't get me started on journalists, the recent Gordon Brown story was so over publicised by arrogant disagreeable journalsts that I've started to like Gordon Brown even more. Sometimes I'm willing some celebrities to thump them because of their behaviour.

I could almost pick any industry and give you an example of people being rude, and what you've experienced is nowhere near as bad :lol:

You'll have to grow thick skin laddie :)
 
Sorry but you don't have some god-given right to stand on a particular area of a public street and tell others they can't just because you've decided to make your living as a photographer.

Although I think the OP is trolling he has a point.

Oh, no, we'd all far rather let our happy snappers pop along, plonk themselves and their large rear in the front of the crowd, snap a few on their toy camera and 'send them in to the paper', and they'll be so proud of their 'photo credit'! Who cares, people don't have careers or bills or anything...
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The fact that you have bills to pay is irrelevant - why should other people be responsible for helping you to make living?

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I am by no means a pro, but I attended the London Tattoo Convention last year and there was one obvious pro who was a pain in the bum for me. I was trying to shoot a gir,l who he had clearly finished shooting (she had relaxed and was chatting to people, he had his camera down and was talking to a fellow tog) as soon as I got myself in place to take a couple of shots he just walked over stood right in front of me and decided to start shooting again :razz:
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From another thread - so presumably that's ok because the guy getting in the way is a pro and has a fancy camera?
 
grum said:
Sorry but you don't have some god-given right to stand on a particular area of a public street and tell others they can't just because you've decided to make your living as a photographer.

Although I think the OP is trolling he has a point.
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No-one's suggesting that the photographer did anything of the sort...
But if you get in anyone's way while they're trying to work, they'll ask you to move - which is what happened here - the photographer asked him to stay back...
Didn't shout, didn't push...he asked...

Conversely what gives you the right to obstruct me in my lawful pursuit of earning a living in a public place?
 
grum said:
Sorry but you don't have some god-given right to stand on a particular area of a public street and tell others they can't just because you've decided to make your living as a photographer.

Although I think the OP is trolling he has a point.



The fact that you have bills to pay is irrelevant - why should other people be responsible for helping you to make living?



From another thread - so presumably that's ok because the guy getting in the way is a pro and has a fancy camera?
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You are forgetting that this troll, is doing this in an attempt to make a living too?
In politics?
 
IMO, the OP was lucky he/she didn't get used as a riser to get some busy 'tog the photo he/she needs to make an honest crust.

Not sure the troll is actually trying to make a living - more like get extra credit for his/her GCSE in media studies? If it IS trying to make a living, I do hope it has told the taxman...
 
Arkady said:
No-one's suggesting that the photographer did anything of the sort...
But if you get in anyone's way while they're trying to work, they'll ask you to move - which is what happened here - the photographer asked him to stay back...
Didn't shout, didn't push...he asked...
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And only once
 
karmagarda said:
Don't get me started on journalists, the recent Gordon Brown story was so over publicised by arrogant disagreeable journalsts that I've started to like Gordon Brown even more.
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You think? I think that was just a great story for a journalist and anyone in the public eye knows how they work and will use a story. After the expenses scandal it further highlights them divide between Mp's and ordinary people (or that's how it could/would be published).

The politicians wouldn't be doing public walkabouts if it wasn't for the cameras and publicity. They can get their point across to many more people doing tv and newspaper interviews rather than on a one to one.
 
I agree, in that it was like feeding meat to a bunch of hungry lions. The story was great for not just what happened, but the timing of it all too. But, I'm not on about the story, my point is more about how the Journalists handled it rather than Gordan Brown or politics. The way they interviewed and handled the lady afterwards just displayed both how they create a mountain out of a mole hill, and how they can be a bunch of ignorant and rude wotsits. Anyway, I'd hate to get one of those "Gah shucks, I'm gonna have to give you a few points, cos yer being a plank, and discussing politics. All the best!" PM off the Admins so I'll stop there!

Rudeness is encountered in every industry. Even in IT I am regularly shocked by how some people in support treat customers. It's nothing to do with photography, it's just that some people are just... well, downright planks fullstop :lol:
 
I'm really fed up with myself for getting irate in this thread.
But why insist on posting on here, with no interest in photography, and only an interest in putting down photographers or stealing their work, just to get the hit rate up on his site?
He blatantly said it somewhere on his blog somewhere, I don't have the link, really not the sort of carp I would bookmark.

So.. why am I irate? Why do I keep returning to this bloody thread lol?:bang::bang:
 
Manners.. photos... hmm!

I guess the blood spatters, mud and crud all over my lens hood disqualifies me :lol:

Well... you've got to fight your way through queues somehow, the camera makes a good melee weapon! Gets tiring having to constantly clean the front element though.
 
trencheel303 said:
Manners.. photos... hmm!

I guess the blood spatters, mud and crud all over my lens hood disqualifies me :lol:

Well... you've got to fight your way through queues somehow, the camera makes a good melee weapon! Gets tiring having to constantly clean the front element though.
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I'd hate to buy a used body off you! :cuckoo:
 
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