Do I have the only Canon 5D MKII Lemon (Refund given by warehouse express)

What would you do if you was me on Monday 7th June?

  • Demand full refund

    Votes: 18 48.6%
  • Demand Replacement Camera

    Votes: 14 37.8%
  • Take Camera Back Repaired

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Forget above and take WEX to court

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • Total voters
    37
The retailer CAN replace after 28 days if they choose to fight your corner with Canon... When my second 7D went back, I was told that Canon wouldn't replace it but would repair it for me... I had a wedding the following weekend and didn't want to rely on one camera but the shop offered to loan me a 1DsMKIII for the event.

I politely refused (they know me well enough) and went to bat for me with Canon. After about half an hour of cajoling and me 'allegedly' threatening to transfer to Nikon, they agreed to give me a 5DMKII (with the appropriate cash adjustment).

The moral of this story is simple... Just because you're saving a few quid from someone like Warehouse Express doesn't mean you'll have the support when things go tits up. If you can, find a local independent dealer and forge a good relationship with them... It'll pay dividends in the long run. :)

Si
 
The retailer CAN replace after 28 days if they choose to fight your corner with Canon... When my second 7D went back, I was told that Canon wouldn't replace it but would repair it for me... I had a wedding the following weekend and didn't want to rely on one camera but the shop offered to loan me a 1DsMKIII for the event.

I politely refused (they know me well enough) and went to bat for me with Canon. After about half an hour of cajoling and me 'allegedly' threatening to transfer to Nikon, they agreed to give me a 5DMKII (with the appropriate cash adjustment).

The moral of this story is simple... Just because you're saving a few quid from someone like Warehouse Express doesn't mean you'll have the support when things go tits up. If you can, find a local independent dealer and forge a good relationship with them... It'll pay dividends in the long run. :)

Si

I agree with you about local retailers, but you're very wrong about the retailers right to replace ror fight your conrner with canon (in this case) - the SoG provides that your contract is with the shop, not the manufacturer and it is up to them to meet the terms of the act, which basically means replcing goods not fir for purpose
 
Sorry to hear your woes.. people get very upset when they have a problem, they also get very happy when a company deals with the problem promptly and efficiently.

It doesn't sound like they have managed to get any of this right...

Not a good advert for their services .....

Good luck, hope you get a decent outcome.
 
Well WE aren't that cheap anymore, but I've never been anything but impressed with them - when they say next day delivery they mean it! ! The couple of problems I've had with new gear have been sorted out promptly and efficiently with no fuss, so I'm a bit alarmed to be hearing this tale of woe.

This 28 day company policy is pure crap and they know it. I'll await the outcome of this but this camera is clearly not fit for purpose - it's not a cheap camera and it's disgusting you should be treated in this fashion.

They need to be careful -I don'y buy from them because they're cheap, because they're not, but dealing with a reputable and known good supplier is more imprtant to me than savng a few quid.
 
What I cannot understand.
They sell in bargain basement returned Repaired cameras for arround £80-£100 less than new.
Why dont they just send me a new one and get my old one Repaired and sell it in this section.
Surly thats a lot better than all of this, and saves any forthcoming legal worries
 
Honestly Kay, at this stage you don't want a new one, or any kind of replacement. You want a full refund!

I wouldn't settle for anything less.
 
Surly thats a lot better than all of this, and saves any forthcoming legal worries

Not so much the legal worries to worry about as that will, for a sum of money in fees, just be passed to solicitors to deal with - its is the loss of their good reputation and the resulting lost sales which will be considerably more costly.

Personally have spent a lot of money with them and have always found them very helpful on the few issues that have arisen over the years.
 
Honestly Kay, at this stage you don't want a new one, or any kind of replacement. You want a full refund!

I wouldn't settle for anything less.


Thats my point, I do want a relacement and im not asking for refund.
I will decide this w/end regarding legal action, then it would have to be a full refund.
I will then buy a new 5D MKII elsewere next week and await for refund from wex
Any good deals on?

Im still hoping WEX will come to there senses and do the right thing, as i do feel if the right peaple from WEX see this thread and not just the callcentre numpties
 
I agree with you about local retailers, but you're very wrong about the retailers right to replace ror fight your conrner with canon (in this case) - the SoG provides that your contract is with the shop, not the manufacturer and it is up to them to meet the terms of the act, which basically means replcing goods not fir for purpose

Hi Hugh,

I think you missed my point a little... Whilst my contract was with the shop, I was aware that it was Canon's discretion to credit the shop with a replacement rather than a repair. The shop originally said they'd have to send the 7D off for repair but because I'm a regular customer, they agreed to replace the camera there and then and fight it out with Canon afterwards. :)

From my perspective, I certainly can't fault the shop's attitude in dealing with me. :)

Si
 
Take it from a solicitor -passing it off to solicitors isn't cheap and any company that is happy to chuck money at fees when there is a straightforward customer service issue is just mad. If we were talking tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds and there's the chance of winning or grinding the opposition down then fair enough.

In this case the fees will overtake the value of the camera within a few hours. If they choose to defend a small claim (which will cost the Pursuer next to nothing to raise) WEX will probably instruct their English solicitors who will instruct a Scottish firm (probably in Edinburgh or Glasgow) and they, in turn, will instruct a local agent because there is no way in hell someone from the Central Belt is going to put aside two days for a £1600 claim that is unlikely to succeed.

Then there is the tiny problem of people reading this thread and deciding not to shop with WEX again. They sent me a promo email an hour ago and my first reaction was "cool, I'll take a look" shortly followed by "actually; no, sod them".
 
Take it from a solicitor -passing it off to solicitors isn't cheap and any company that is happy to chuck money at fees when there is a straightforward customer service issue is just madness. If we were talking tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds and there's the chance of winning or grinding the opposition down then fair enough.

In this case the fees will overtake the value of the camera within a few hours. If they choose to defend a small claim (which will cost the Pursuer next to nothing to raise) WEX will probably instruct their English solicitors who will instruct a Scottish firm (probably in Edinburgh or Glasgow) and they, in turn, will instruct a local agent because there is no way in hell someone from the Central Belt is going to put aside two days for a £1600 claim that is unlikely to succeed.

Then there is the tiny problem of people reading this thread and deciding not to shop with WEX again. They sent me a promo email an hour ago and my first reaction was "cool, I'll take a look" shortly followed by "actually; no, sod them".



I have been told by all i have spoken to i will succeed if i do the legal route through the courts . The Cost here for wick sheriff court to me would be £60
Would you mind if i send you a PM? with regard to constructing the letter i need to send on Monday
 
Who've now had about four days of bad PR that they need to address...
 
Warehouse Express problem is they have got to big and customers do not come first.
They must know about this thread by now, I have even sent them the link. They dont care.

Sale of Goods Act http://webarchive.nationalarchives....whatwedo/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html
They dont agree with and have there own version and policies. Why again proves They dont care

There 28 day policy about returns. I have spoken to canon, trading standards, clark at wick sheriff court and citzen advice. They all say same as whats been said on this thread. Warehouse Express has been told of this. And what do the say? Nothing. Why They dont care

Remember the statement by Warehouse Express Chief Executive colin McCarthy made to british photographic industry news back in 2007 about Warehouse Express

"It's very important that we handle returns and customer problems as efficiently as the first sale – it's where many internet suppliers fall down."

I think what he meant to say was We dont care
 
i think a bit of patience and further research might pay dividends here.

a little story. I had an LCD tv that developed a minor fault, the retailer told me that the repair was down to the manufacturer as the manufacturer honoured the warranty, the shop would act as a go between. the had an inspector out, who fiddled and replaced parts, they left and the tv was working. Just before my warranty ran out it started doing it again, so again, rang the retailer and got an engineer in, he failed to fix, the third time the engineer came out, he said that they would have to take it away for assessment, but as 3 attempts to repair had failed we would be getting a replacement.

I would ignore WHE and talk to canon, they made the thing, they are repairing. tell them that its not good enough and you want a replacement.
 
As has been said before the contract is with the supplier (WHE). It seems to me that they have no intention to replace the faulty camera, but may fob you off with the repaired original. They have had enough time - take legal action without further dely.

Good Luck
 
The Sale of Goods Act isn't something they can chuck aside because they don't agree with it.

IT IS LAW!

They don't have a choice!

And their policies cannot supercede or replace it!



Say that to Anna Paton (WEX Sales Manager) As I did, she will disagree.
Her exact words "after 28 days her hands are tied and its down to Canon and not them the retailer"

I did have a earlier post on here, asking if anbody wanted to hear for them selfs to phone her, or i would give them her email address.
 
Say that to Anna Paton (WEX Sales Manager) As I did, she will disagree.
Her exact words "after 28 days her hands are tied and its down to Canon and not them the retailer"

I did have a earlier post on here, asking if anbody wanted to hear for them selfs to phone her, or i would give them her email address.

she's talking rot. If you really can't get WEX to resolve (not Canon) then issue a small courts claim. The SoG act actually says 'reasonable time' its been proven, and I doubt very much anyone would seriously maintain a £1.6k pro spec body lasting 4 weeks is 'reasonable'

edit - would love to hear WEX come on here and justify their actions on this
 
I think this will go down the small claims court route.
My local court is Wick Sheriff Court in Caithness the Highlands.
600 miles away from Norwich :cuckoo:

Tomorrow i'm putting my 580ex ii & kenko tubes for sale :'( to get funds for 2nd camera. As I think this will go on for a while
 
I think this will go down the small claims court route.
My local court is Wick Sheriff Court in Caithness the Highlands.
600 miles away from Norwich :cuckoo:

Tomorrow i'm putting my 580ex ii & kenko tubes for sale :'( to get funds for 2nd camera. As I think this will go on for a while

did you have any joy with the cc company - it does sounds like it could be the fastest way to resolve
 
I think this will go down the small claims court route.
My local court is Wick Sheriff Court in Caithness the Highlands.
600 miles away from Norwich :cuckoo:

Tomorrow i'm putting my 580ex ii & kenko tubes for sale :'( to get funds for 2nd camera. As I think this will go on for a while

sorry but I think you need to be more patient. the camera is with canon for evaluation, wait until you get a response to that before doing anything else. You can then argue that the goods were faulty when sold (or at least try) 99% of these things would be resolved by talking to the right person and presenting them with the facts.
 
sorry Matty, I disagree with you - its WEX not Canon who need to address the issue, and I don't believe for a minute WEX are incapable of diagnosing faults or otherwise. I can't understand why you'd have to wait for a replacement on new, faulty goods?
 
a bit more information for you:

In the first instance and if considered appropriate, the seller must offer to at least repair the goods. They must do this within reasonable time, at no additional cost to you and without causing any significant inconvenience. If any inconvenience is caused you should be given a replacement item on a ‘like for like’ basis (and not simply the cheapest and most basic model). Many consumer complaints relate to the length of time the item is away being repaired – and although you must allow reasonable time for repair, the law does not say what ‘reasonable time’ is. It very much depends on the item itself and the nature of the problem. For most things, shops would usually allow you to exchange the item or give you your money back straight away. However, if the damage is minor and can be repaired easily, then the shop can insist on this as a first option, although this will not stop you from taking it back if the repair is unsatisfactory or there is something else wrong with it.
If a repair is impossible or unfeasible, you must then be offered a replacement. Due to the emphasis on proportionality in this legislation, you must give the seller reasonable time to repair or replace before demanding your money back and you should be aware that any refund given may well take account of any use you have had of the goods since you took possession of them. If you do not want the seller to repair or replace, or they have told you they are unable to, you can then request they reduce the purchase price to an appropriate amount, although this does not affect your ability to take return the item if something else goes wrong

You need to wait for Canon to report back to WHE, only then can you decide what the next step is.
 
sorry Matty, I disagree with you - its WEX not Canon who need to address the issue, and I don't believe for a minute WEX are incapable of diagnosing faults or otherwise. I can't understand why you'd have to wait for a replacement on new, faulty goods?

see my last post. WHE need to establish what the fault is, canon need to tell them if it is screwed or not, unless WHE have a servicing department?
 
see my last post. WHE need to establish what the fault is, canon need to tell them if it is screwed or not, unless WHE have a servicing department?

I'm not sure if they do or not - but I don't believe they can't diagnose a fault. Your quote misses the point that a contract for purchase is between the supplier and customer, not the manufactuer - and you also have a 'reasonable period' to reject goods as faulty, as above I'm not sure how you could argue that this is outside a reasonable time from purchase?
 
WEX do check returned faulty goods before sending back to manufacturer, mind you i dont know what they check.
Dont forget Canon do not have my camera yet
WEX will only replace if Canon recomend and if canon suply camera to WEX
Canon have told me they will not do that, they will repair
 
you have 7 days to outirght reject a distance selling item, the paragraph i quoted states that the seller must offer a repair in the first instance after the initial 28 days, which is what they are doing.

The retailer’s obligations

If there is an obvious fault with the item at any time within the first 6 months and it has not been caused by wear and tear or misuse, your first port of call must be the shop you bought it from. They have the responsibility to put the matter right, and should not evade this responsibility by referring you to the manufacturer in the context of a guarantee or warranty.
In the first instance and if considered appropriate, the seller must offer to at least repair the goods. They must do this within reasonable time, at no additional cost to you and without causing any significant inconvenience. If any inconvenience is caused you should be given a replacement item on a ‘like for like’ basis (and not simply the cheapest and most basic model). Many consumer complaints relate to the length of time the item is away being repaired – and although you must allow reasonable time for repair, the law does not say what ‘reasonable time’ is. It very much depends on the item itself and the nature of the problem. For most things, shops would usually allow you to exchange the item or give you your money back straight away. However, if the damage is minor and can be repaired easily, then the shop can insist on this as a first option, although this will not stop you from taking it back if the repair is unsatisfactory or there is something else wrong with it.
If a repair is impossible or unfeasible, you must then be offered a replacement. Due to the emphasis on proportionality in this legislation, you must give the seller reasonable time to repair or replace before demanding your money back and you should be aware that any refund given may well take account of any use you have had of the goods since you took possession of them. If you do not want the seller to repair or replace, or they have told you they are unable to, you can then request they reduce the purchase price to an appropriate amount, although this does not affect your ability to take return the item if something else goes wrong
thats the full paragraph that I quoted from

the main problem here is that the OP contacted them after 28 days rather than as soon as the fault emerged. WHE might be able to turn on a camera and see if its working or not, but are they qualified to say if it is a simple repair or not? My TV had to be examined by the engineer from the manufacturer as the shop didnt have a clue.
 
WEX do check returned faulty goods before sending back to manufacturer, mind you i dont know what they check.
Dont forget Canon do not have my camera yet
WEX will only replace if Canon recomend and if canon suply camera to WEX
Canon have told me they will not do that, they will repair

canon will repair if it can be repaired, that is normal service. You really do need to wait for the report to come back from canon before threatening legal action. when WHE come back and say what they intend to do, THEN you can get technical with the regulations. you have to let them do what they are doing first. Yes, they could have been a little quicker, and yes, they could come back to you faster, but i'd wager that they are not sitting around playing tiddlywinks all day
 
you have 7 days to outirght reject a distance selling item, the paragraph i quoted states that the seller must offer a repair in the first instance after the initial 28 days, which is what they are doing.

thats the distance selling regulations & that 7 days covers rejection for any reason - its enough to ask for your money back cause you've changed your mind.

The sale of goods regulations are different and cover quality, faults, moneyback, repairs etc etc.

thats the full paragraph that I quoted from

the main problem here is that the OP contacted them after 28 days rather than as soon as the fault emerged. WHE might be able to turn on a camera and see if its working or not, but are they qualified to say if it is a simple repair or not? My TV had to be examined by the engineer from the manufacturer as the shop didnt have a clue.

that's a little misleading - the regulations don't say 28 days but a 'reasonable time' so whats reasonable for a 29.99 DVD player will be different from a £1,600 camera for example.

I still don't believe WEX haven't a clue, but even if that is true, then doesn't the SoG act allow for a replacement to be supplied during repairs as your quote below and not the sorry state of service from WEX described here?

As I've said above, the measure of a company is how they do when things go wrong, and tbh this can only be described as P poor.
 
another thing I would be asking WEx (and I may pop in there tomorrow and ask in person) , is just WHY Canon don't have your camera back yet?

I would have expected RMSD before noon as a minimum........


Kay - if there i anything else I can do, with ref to WEx - living on their doorstep - compared to you - just let me know.


Just to clarify once and for all to others on here under the SOG Act - the contract is with the buyer and the seller. It is the sellers responsibility to resolve any issues that occur within a reasonsble time with referenrence for an item being not fit for purpose. (Wex is big enough to ride £1600 or so for a few days and usually the seller then takes it up with the manufacturer through the Account manager - generally) The WEx policy of after 28 days it goes back to the manufacturer is [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] and not worth the paper it is printed on.........



However Kay, whilst small claims court sounds appealing and entertaining, and no doubt you will win, as above, the fees will soon mount up and WEX solicitor, will probably instruct a Scottish solicitor, who will instruct a local one..............
 
canon will repair if it can be repaired, that is normal service. You really do need to wait for the report to come back from canon before threatening legal action. when WHE come back and say what they intend to do, THEN you can get technical with the regulations. you have to let them do what they are doing first. Yes, they could have been a little quicker, and yes, they could come back to you faster, but i'd wager that they are not sitting around playing tiddlywinks all day


I understand what you are saying.
But warehouse express will not replace the camera as i had it over 28 days.
They even told my credit card company this.
This is wrong. The Sale of Goods Act disagree
 
another thing I would be asking WEx (and I may pop in there tomorrow and ask in person) , is just WHY Canon don't have your camera back yet?

I would have expected RMSD before noon as a minimum........


Kay - if there i anything else I can do, with ref to WEx - living on their doorstep - compared to you - just let me know.

Thankyou thats very kind

Anna Paton said last thursday, she would email me when camera sent to canon. No email

Canon have said they will also email me when camera arrives. No email

So i assume camera still in wex warehouse, definately not with canon

How did the 2.30 meeting go? did you have enough pitch forks? :D
 
thats the distance selling regulations & that 7 days covers rejection for any reason - its enough to ask for your money back cause you've changed your mind.

The sale of goods regulations are different and cover quality, faults, moneyback, repairs etc etc.

that's a little misleading - the regulations don't say 28 days but a 'reasonable time' so whats reasonable for a 29.99 DVD player will be different from a £1,600 camera for example.

I still don't believe WEX haven't a clue, but even if that is true, then doesn't the SoG act allow for a replacement to be supplied during repairs as your quote below and not the sorry state of service from WEX described here?

As I've said above, the measure of a company is how they do when things go wrong, and tbh this can only be described as P poor.

WHE have offered to repair, that is within their contractual requirements.
In the first instance and if considered appropriate, the seller must offer to at least repair the goods

that is WHE first obligation at this point. if the camera is found to be faulty and is likely to have been so since it was sold, THEN you can demand a replacement.

I do agree that WHE look like they are dodging resposibility, and that camera should have been sent RMSD to canon, i agree with that totally

I understand what you are saying.
But warehouse express will not replace the camera as i had it over 28 days.
They even told my credit card company this.
This is wrong. The Sale of Goods Act disagree

Kay, yes, you do have the option to get a replacement, but until its been examined (and forget if they do quick checks or not)by an engineer to ascertain the fault, they dont have to. The reason is that you could drop it in the sea, dry it, clean it and return as faulty. if they said 'ahh yeah it wont turn on, heres a new one' they would be left with an item you broke, so it is up to them to get it checked first, THEN they should decide if its a repair or replace.
They are entitled to repair the item in the first instance, it is not a given that you get a new one straight away as the condition of the item needs to be ascertained first.

http://whatconsumer.co.uk/what-are-my-statutory-rights/
http://whatconsumer.co.uk/returning-damaged-or-faulty-goods/

im not trying to argue here, im trying to highlight what is going on, once the camera has been examined then you can start turning the legal screws.
 
bye bye warehouse express i wont be using your services again, mike rockey.:nono: oh and i,ll be telling my friends not to either :thumbsdown:
 
My point here is.
My very first post listed the problems i have with the camera.
I also stated i do not want that camera back, i would never be confident with it working.
My other point to posts. Anna Paton wex sales manager has said they will not replace as its over 28 days since i bought. regardless of what fault found.

I admit to not knowing the ins and outs of the law
But i do know whats right and wrong
 
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