DLT

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In the news tonight, DLT is vehemently protesting his innocence.
 
i used to go to a night club in rhyl where groping was the norm ,trust me its very hard to drink your pint when a womans feeling your b*****ks :beer::beer::beer:
 
the black fox said:
i used to go to a night club in rhyl where groping was the norm ,trust me its very hard to drink your pint when a womans feeling your b*****ks :beer::beer::beer:
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I assume you knew that it was a woman for sure?
Just asking :D
 
Oooh a female crocodile dundee checking up perhaps ;)
 
Bernie174 said:
Ok Shapeshifter, you have an opinion. But based on what? What you have read in the papers, or been fed by TV News?

That's hardly complete is is it, and in reality, you are condoning trial by media/internet which is the real problem here.

I don't and have not said that said that no one can complain because this has followed due process, I have said that people are not qualified to comment because they have not had access to the evidence, nor do they have any idea on the legislation on the matter. Unlike the Jury who had the law spelt out to them, after having heard and seen the evidence delivered.

OK, so you claim that it's a witch hunt. And you have expressed that as factual not opinion, please show us the evidence that supports that.
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OK Bernie you keep saying that we- no one else can say as we were not in court and did not hear all the evidence ect.I agrre about that.It's mine and alot of other peoples opinio
viv1969 said:
The fact that she's a respected journalist is immaterial.
It happened, she wrote about it, she addressed it neither to DLT nor to the authorities it would appear, so it couldn't have bothered her that much.
As a grown woman she could have taken control of the situation and put and end to it. She clearly didn't.
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Top man.I like it. :plus1:
 
Bernie174 said:
Jonathan

Jury's acquit on a regular basis, it does not mean there's a witch hunt against the defendant, or that the charge was incorrect. They acquit for many reasons, and again, that does not mean the original allegation is wrong.

A charge is made out because there is sufficient evidence to support a charge being put before a Court for trial. It isn't the CPS, or Police deciding guilt. If the public want to imply in their minds that means guilty then it is the public that are wrong, and are doing so without the evidence or the knowledge of law. It's as simple as that.

No one in the Criminal Justice System has said he was guilty, until a verdict was announced, so that implication cannot be laid at the door of the 'system'.

What you have said, is not evidence of a witch hunt at all. It's your opinion, nothing more. You have formed that opinion on the basis of the end result, you have not formed it on the basis of the evidence in the case.

So, I issue the same challenge as I did earlier, provide some evidence, that's real evidence not what you think based on an end result that there's been a witch hunt?
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It's an opinion we have that it is a witch hunt,You can keep hiding your opinion behind the fact that a court of law has found him guilty so that's it and you or no one else is entitled to an opinion if you want. What's your opinion?:naughty:
 
shapeshifter said:
It's an opinion we have that it is a witch hunt,You can keep hiding your opinion behind the fact that a court of law has found him guilty so that's it and you or no one else is entitled to an opinion if you want. What's your opinion?:naughty:
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....Of course you and everybody else is entitled to an opinion! @Bernie174 is merely explaining the reality of how cases are judged on all the detailed information which is presented to a court, not on the opinions of the general public. Otherwise it's not fair justice but a lynch mob.

The less information you have, the less you are able to form a valid opinion. Opinions of the general public and the media are simply not valid in a court's process of arriving at a judgement.
 
It's an opinion we have that it is a witch hunt,You can keep hiding your opinion behind the fact that a court of law has found him guilty so that's it and you or no one else is entitled to an opinion if you want. What's your opinion
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Again, that's not what I said, or meant. I said that you claim it's a witch hunt, but you have not seen or heard any of the evidence. In fact it appears to be an opinion simply based on acquittal on the majority of charges.

what you call a witch hunt is called due process. It applies to DLT as well as everyone else in the UK.

I am not hiding any opinion, I would say the same had he been cleared of all charges.
 
Cobra said:
I assume you knew that it was a woman for sure?
Just asking :D
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oh most definitely female 100% ,you obviously lead a sheltered life doon sarf ,the women of wales are mean and tough and direct lets face it they do have competion from the sheep :naughty::naughty::naughty:
 
Les McLean said:
That wasn't quite the point I was making, I'm sure Camilla Long is a big enough girl that she can handle herself, the main issue for me was the way DLT thought he could assault any woman, without any consequence of his actions.

Concerning the assault he was convicted of, the victims impact statement was ' I was a naive and trusting 22-year-old when I was subjected to an unprovoked and terrifying physical assault at my place of work. I was too paralysed with fear to confront my assailant.".

Some would maintain she should have taken control of the situation and put an end to it.
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chadders said:
Yes and I'd be one of them.
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You're soft in the head. Have you seen the size of DLT?
 
the black fox said:
oh most definitely female 100% ,you obviously lead a sheltered life doon sarf ,the women of wales are mean and tough and direct lets face it they do have competion from the sheep :naughty::naughty::naughty:
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viv1969 said:
Not to mention many of them being blood relatives :exit:
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Ahem <cough>
Watch it you two, or you'll find out how mean and tough we really are :bat:

:p


On a serious note, I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of the verdict. I wasn't there, I haven't seen all the evidence, I have no idea whether it was 'fair' or not.
And I'm absolutely not saying that his behaviour was acceptable in any way.
However, I really do question whether it was in the public interest to prosecute someone for groping somebody's boobs twenty years ago and what it was supposed to achieve.
 
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@SarahLee

Clearly there are exceptions......(grovel grovel) :lol:
 
the black fox said:
oh most definitely female 100% ,you obviously lead a sheltered life doon sarf ,the women of wales are mean and tough and direct lets face it they do have competion from the sheep :naughty::naughty::naughty:
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viv1969 said:
Not to mention many of them being blood relatives :exit:
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Although to be fair, I have a mate that's a farmer, and he reckons that he's never seen an ugly one (Sheep) yet :D
 
The23rdman said:
You're soft in the head. Have you seen the size of DLT?
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I'll assume that's an attempt at being witty, because, if it isn't, it would seem that you are making the assumption that no woman would attempt to defend herself in that situation. That's clearly b****ks.
 
chadders said:
I'll assume that's an attempt at being witty, because, if it isn't, it would seem that you are making the assumption that no woman would attempt to defend herself in that situation. That's clearly b****ks.
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She said she was terrified. Did you miss that part or are you suggesting that she shouldn't have felt terrified by the fella standing 18 inches taller who was assaulting her? Yes, some women would behave differently, but that would not be the majority.
 
Plus if you fight back you have to make damn sure you disable them so you can get away. Had she harmed DLT in any way I'm sure he'd be the first to complain to the police about an unprovoked assault from a mad women.
 
The23rdman said:
She said she was terrified. Did you miss that part or are you suggesting that she shouldn't have felt terrified by the fella standing 18 inches taller who was assaulting her? Yes, some women would behave differently, but that would not be the majority.
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I'm sorry, but his nuts are in the same ballfield.
It works.
Anyone (grown woman) who doesn't report the kind of "abuse" in that article, bears a little responsibility for any that follow.
 
However, I really do question whether it was in the public interest to prosecute someone for groping somebody's boobs twenty years ago and what it was supposed to achieve.
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These days in isolation, I don't think it was. But, because of 'public opinion' whipped up by the Saville issue the CPS seem to have formed the opinion it is now in the public interest.

In actual fact, I think the 'public interest' bit should be dropped, it is a dangerous precedent to start charging simply because something is flavour of the month, and conversing, not charge something because crime x it is prevalent.

A far better system is what existed before the CPS came along, which was if there was credible evidence to support a charge, then charge. The CPS should not be in effect 'finding not guilty' themselves by discontinuing charges. The system is becoming more and more like the US, where charging decisions are based on the attempts by the District Attorney to become popular and keep in office.
 
The23rdman said:
She said she was terrified. Did you miss that part or are you suggesting that she shouldn't have felt terrified by the fella standing 18 inches taller who was assaulting her? Yes, some women would behave differently, but that would not be the majority.
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And just how do you know the majority would not have defended themselves?

srichards said:
Plus if you fight back you have to make damn sure you disable them so you can get away. Had she harmed DLT in any way I'm sure he'd be the first to complain to the police about an unprovoked assault from a mad women.
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Again another assumption. If he had assaulted her, and if she'd kicked him in the nuts because he had, I'll guarantee there's no way he'd have gone to the police.
 
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viv1969 said:
I'm sorry, but his nuts are in the same ballfield.
It works.
Anyone (grown woman) who doesn't report the kind of "abuse" in that article, bears a little responsibility for any that follow.
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You beggar belief.
 
i simply cannot believe the b******t i,m reading on here ,lets get the record straight ,times may well have changed now but during the 60's 70's and 80's having a grope was not seen as the crime of the century ,and i would go so far as to say in a lot of pubs and clubs it was the acceptable norm and the majority of girls/women laughed it off especially after a few drinks or more .lets face it theres two reasons all these ATTROCE-TITTIES are coming to light 30 years later ,its either to get there 15 minutes of fame and there name in the paper or on t.v ,or to hopefully sue the famous persons estate or person so as to get a payment out of it ,you can mix either of those two combinations in any order they are one and the same .

i don't see many or indeed any 30 plus year old cases of fred the bus conductor or bill the dustman groped me cases coming to court .not going out much these days i can't really observe whether the attitudes have changed much but i shouldn't think they have in reality
 
So could someone put me in the "p**** lock up gang" because of something that might of happened at a school disco 30 years ago when i was 15 :thinking:
Holds breath for the "we all waited until 16 brigade", i'm getting worried about what the papers might say :eek:
 
Neil B said:
So could someone put me in the "p**** lock up gang" because of something that might of happened at a school disco 30 years ago when i was 15 :thinking:
Holds breath for the "we all waited until 16 brigade", i'm getting worried about what the papers might say :eek:
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Rather than buy a girl a few drinks and get her into bed like the old days, these days you can only sleep with someone with no comeback if you only only buy a couple so she is not legless, take a copy of passport and then get written consent.

Police seem more interested in celebs that touched a few boobs 30'years ago that the p**** gangs doing the rounds now (Peterborough and Rotherham)
 
Plus i reckon that in the past i have had more than one case of a woman taking advantage of me whilst slightly worse for drink, now should i cry rape, she did buy me a drink after all :runaway:
 
viv1969 said:
I'm assuming you've never been in the position of having to try it first hand.
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Again, you're speaking from the position of what you as a robust and feisty woman would do. The majority would be scared and intimidated and, yes, I do know that for a fact, Chadders, because I understand psychology.

It's irrelevant anyway because the onus is not on the victims it is on the perpetrator to not be a slimy s***.
 
The23rdman said:
Again, you're speaking from the position of what you as a robust and feisty woman would do. The majority would be scared and intimidated and, yes, I do know that for a fact, Chadders, because I understand psychology.

It's irrelevant anyway because the onus is not on the victims it is on the perpetrator to not be a slimy s***.
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You might have a good bent oh psychology, but you cannot ever think as a woman.
Yes, I might be "feistier" than some, but a breast grope does not render one terrified.
Offended yes. Outraged yes. Terrified? No.
 
viv1969 said:
You might have a good bent oh psychology, but you cannot ever think as a woman.
Yes, I might be "feistier" than some, but a breast grope does not render one terrified.
Offended yes. Outraged yes. Terrified? No.
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Does not render YOU terrified, but it did render this victim terrified apparently. Unless she is lying and you know this for a fact?
 
i don't see many or indeed any 30 plus year old cases of fred the bus conductor or bill the dustman groped me cases coming to court .not going out much these days i can't really observe whether the attitudes have changed much but i shouldn't think they have in reality
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Lets be honest here, if there are any getting charged, then you probably wouldn't hear about it, simply because the press aren't interested. Not hearing doesn't mean doesn't happen.

As for what happened in the 60's/70's/80's...Albeit I was only really 'in play' from the mid 70's, I'm afraid I didn't see wide spread groping, fondling or any more rape and ravage than there is now. I do know I nicked a fair number for the above, and I didn't see much reluctance to prosecute, and we prosecuted all cases where the victim was happy to make a statement.

I think some are remembering selectively from the past.
 
The23rdman said:
Does not render YOU terrified, but it did render this victim terrified apparently. Unless she is lying and you know this for a fact?
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I know as many facts as you do.
i'll be interested to hear, down the line, how much she gets in compensation though, and whether that mollifies her "terror".
 
viv1969 said:
I know as many facts as you do.
i'll be interested to hear, down the line, how much she gets in compensation though, and whether that mollifies her "terror".
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Difference is that the jury believed her having heard all the evidence...
 
The23rdman said:
Difference is that the jury believed her having heard all the evidence...
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Actually the jury were having trouble deciding and were directed that a majority verdict would do.
 
viv1969 said:
Actually the jury were having trouble deciding and were directed that a majority verdict would do.
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And the majority decided that she was telling the truth.

Truth be told I agree with you that she should have just kicked him in the nuts and I wish self defence was compulsory in schools, but we can only guess as to her motives for coming forward. Fundamentally I like to think the best of people whereas you appear to be a cynical b****r. ;)
 
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