Disabled blue badge question

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Had a quick look online but unsure about this.

As I am the main person responsible for my 89yo nan, I have her disabled badge for when I take her out/shopping etc... I know that I can only use it when she is with me.

My 3yo girl today broke her leg and is in plaster for 6 weeks and is not allowed to walk. Would I be able to use the badge for her or not? View attachment 2995
 
No. The blue badge is person specific. Unfortunately it's also impossible to get temporary "spacehoppers" (my disabled sister's description of the badge, dating back to the orange ones!) for things like broken legs.
 
Legally I would suspect not.

But on the other hand if someone saw you carrying / wheeling out your daughter
from a blue badge bay, they would have to be a right arse to question the fact, or indeed ask to see the details
on said badge,
so morally, I know I would use it ;)

Hope's she gets better quickly :thumbs:
 
Absolutely not.

The badge is not transferable and should actually be with the person whose it is and not in your car.


Heather
 
With the number of 'jobsworths' around I can see it coming unstuck!
 
Cobra said:
But on the other hand if someone saw you carrying / wheeling out your daughter
from a blue badge bay, they would have to be a right arse to question the fact, or indeed ask to see the details
on said badge,
so morally, I know I would use it ;)
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That has to be the worst advice out!

It is the "right arses" job to check the details on the badge to prevent abuse which could result in the badge being withdrawn.

Simon, is it worth risking your Nan being left without her badge?

Blue badges are a privilege NOT a right, and quite rightly are not easy to get.
 
Simon, the problem if you used it and were caught from what I understand is that the blue badge can be revoked
 
Tigger.ufo said:
OK...and how exactly would you explain to your 89yr old Nan that her badge had been taken away by a "right arse" doing their job?
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Its a risk that I would take.
As I don't believe that the parking patrol would be that interested in asking me to dig the badge of of the car,
so they could inspect it that closely.
If they did I would refuse.
Obviously its likely that I would then get a parking ticket

I would just take the "badge" down to the parking office a few weeks later.
And say there has been a mistake.

Jeeeze have you never broken or bent any rules in your life?
Ever?
 
Not me guv,never.
 
Cobra said:
Its a risk that I would take.
As I don't believe that the parking patrol would be that interested in asking me to dig the badge of of the car,
so they could inspect it that closely.
If they did I would refuse.
Obviously its likely that I would then get a parking ticket

I would just take the "badge" down to the parking office a few weeks later.
And say there has been a mistake.

Jeeeze have you never broken or bent any rules in your life?
Ever?
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They don't have to ask you to dig anything out of the car as the badge must be on display in the windscreen and clearly shows the person's photograph on it.

You cant refuse to show them the badge, they have a legal right to inspect it, failure to do so will mean its revoked.

There is no getting away with it and if I as a severely disabled person found you doing it (if I could still get out) then I would shop you and make sure you lost it.
 
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magicaxeman said:
They don't have to ask you to dig anything out of the car as the badge must be on display in the windscreen and clearly shows the person's photograph on it.
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From the Gov.uk website
The front of the badge should face
upwards, showing the wheelchair symbol.
The side showing the photograph should
not be visible through the windscreen.
 
magicaxeman said:
They don't have to ask you to dig anything out of the car as the badge must be on display in the windscreen and clearly shows the person's photograph on it.

You cant refuse to show them the badge, they have a legal right to inspect it, failure to do so will mean its revoked.

There is no getting away with it and if I as a severely disabled person found you doing it (if I could still get out) then I would shop you and make sure you lost it.
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Are there different types of badges as this has no name or photograph on it.
 
Cobra said:
Its a risk that I would take.
As I don't believe that the parking patrol would be that interested in asking me to dig the badge of of the car,
so they could inspect it that closely.
If they did I would refuse.
Obviously its likely that I would then get a parking ticking.
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I think it actually says on the badge that it has to be given to any person in authority if requested.

However, the "right arse" may well be a police officer so refusing to hand it over may not be an an option.

Cobra said:
I would just take the "badge" down to the parking office a few weeks later.
And say there has been a mistake.
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So you would be willing to lie about it too?

Do you not think that the "right arse" would not have made notes that can be produced in court as evidence?

Cobra said:
Jeeeze have you never broken or bent any rules in your life?
Ever?
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Of course I have! :naughty:

Many times, but if I am in the wrong, (and get caught!) I accept it, it is the risk I was willing to take at the time.

Just accept that whatever YOU would do is not right in this case, (unless, of course Simon is willing to take the risk of having his Nans badge confiscated?)

.....and, yes, I know about this scenario from BOTH sides, having been a traffic warden (yes really!) and also being married (in a previous life) to a blue badge holder, so I know the rules and also how inconvenient life might be without one.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
Of course I have! :naughty:

Many times, but if I am in the wrong, (and get caught!) I accept it, it is the risk I was willing to take at the time.
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Thats the one :thumbs:
 
As Chris has posted, the photo is not on display at any time so it's impossible to tell whose badge it is just by looking through the windscreen.

The chances of anyone 'official' asking to see the reverse of the badge is extremely remote but any 'official' who sees you, if they're at all switched on, may get a little suspicious if they think it's only a broken leg so there is a risk and the actual badge holder may end up losing out.

I do think it's wrong that there aren't temporary badges available for these instances though.
 
fabs said:
I do think it's wrong that there aren't temporary badges available for these instances though.
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Completely agree, especially for the very young or the very old.
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Cobra said:
Its a risk that I would take.
As I don't believe that the parking patrol would be that interested in asking me to dig the badge of of the car,
so they could inspect it that closely.
If they did I would refuse.
Obviously its likely that I would then get a parking ticket

I would just take the "badge" down to the parking office a few weeks later.
And say there has been a mistake.

Jeeeze have you never broken or bent any rules in your life?
Ever?
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Some councils (including most London councils) have staff who specifically enforce blue badges, failing to comply will at best see the badge revoked, at worst you can be arrested and charged for the fraudulent use as it's a criminal offence so it wouldn't just be a parking ticket.

  • Misuse of genuine badges. This means using the badge when the holder is not present. Some people who fall into this category think (wrongly) that what they are doing is not fraudulent. A few will have failed to understand the restrictions on use, but most will chance their luck on the basis that it can be hard to prove. Either way, this is still a criminal offence; it can lead to prosecution and a criminal conviction.
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http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/tacklingbluebadgefraud.htm?showpage=-1

Camden seem quite proactive as well.

Camden
Blue badge enforcement has been carried out in Camden for the past five years. The Camden blue badge enforcement team consists of one council officer and two NSL CEOs. One CEO patrols the streets on foot and the other on a moped and they regularly cover the whole borough. The CEOs are currently trialing the use of the Blue Badge Improvement Services (BBIS) and are able to login and use the information on the BBIS website whilst on the streets to check the validity of blue badges.

The Camden fraud enforcement team is in daily contact with the surrounding local boroughs. Special operations with other councils and the Police are carried out throughout the year.

In the past five years, the council has collected £117,000 in tow away charges from vehicles displaying invalid blue badges, seized 963 badges, and been awarded £48,000 in prosecution costs by the courts.
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Simon, very simple short answer - no you would not be able to use the badge for your daughter.
 
MagicMynx said:
From a legal POV, parent and child bays are usually in the same area as disabled bays and have no law associated with them. ;)
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Quite right in a supermarket car park, but not in the high street.

I have absolutely NO qualms about parking in the parent/child bays at my local supermarkets as I see pregnant ladies who think that pregnancy is a disability and block up the disabled bays.

....not to mention the ones with older children who use the parent/child bays.

Supermarket car parks are private.
 
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Tigger.ufo said:
I have absolutely NO qualms about parking in the parent/child bays at my local supermarkets,
as I see pregnant ladies who think that pregnancy is a disability and block up the disabled bays.
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Maybe because the disabled driver have nicked their "mother and child" spots? :p

Tigger.ufo said:
....not to mention the ones with older children who use the parent/child bays.
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I always park in there when I take my mum shopping, it doesn't specify the "ages"
or whether the parent or child should be the driver, now does it?

OK before anyone jumps down my throat, that was tongue in cheek.
As Mum has a disabled badge So I do know where you lot are coming from,
and yes it hisses me off when healthy people park in them too.

Nothing like a good argument on Monday evening though is there ? (y)
 
Bloody hell. You just don't use disabled or parent/child bays unless you're disabled or with small kids. I have a mate who cheerfully told me he always parks in the parent spaces as they're wider and he is frightened of people dinging his doors with trolleys. I said I'd do it myself with a pram if I caught him at it!
 
Cobra said:
Maybe because the disabled driver have nicked their "mother and child" spots? :p


I always park in there when I take my mum shopping, it doesn't specify the "ages"
or whether the parent or child should be the driver, now does it?

OK before anyone jumps down my throat, that was tongue in cheek.
As Mum has a disabled badge So I do know where you lot are coming from,
and yes it hisses me off when healthy people park in them too.

Nothing like a good argument on Monday evening though is there ? (y)
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Considering that the bays in supermarkets are merely advisory you could park anywhere you like (if you can put up with the nasty looks from OAPs who feel only they have the right to the nearest bays ;)).

I've noticed our new Tesco has no problem with people using Parent and child or Disabled marked bays, they put most of them further away from the doors then the normal parking:rolleyes:.
 
Dave1 said:
I've noticed our new Tesco has no problem with people using Parent and child or Disabled marked bays, they put most of them further away from the doors then the normal parking:rolleyes:.
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That kinda defeats the object I would guess, but PMSL none the less.
Good old Tesco :thumbs:
 
I have a blue badge and no you wouldnt be able to use it for your daughters as it specifically for your Nan use, however I once broke my leg badly and I was given a temporary blue badge for a year so its worth looking into to see if your daughter qualifies, hope she feels and gets well soon :)
 
Cobra said:
That kinda defeats the object I would guess, but PMSL none the less.
Good old Tesco (y)
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Parent and child bays and Disabled bays are allocated in supermarkets to be wider than conventional bays for easier access for prams/wheelchairs etc, once the pram or wheelchair is out of the vehicle it shouldn't matter that it's 10 or 20 meters to the door.

It might sound strange, but putting them into the second row and slightly further away means less use by those who don't really need the bigger bay so they are more likely to be available for the people who do need them. There is nothing stopping a person who doesn't walk well from parking in the first row, if all they have is a stick do they really need the wider bay?
 
Just Dave said:
I have a blue badge and no you wouldnt be able to use it for your daughters as it specifically for your Nan use, however I once broke my leg badly and I was given a temporary blue badge for a year so its worth looking into to see if your daughter qualifies, hope she feels and gets well soon :)
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Must have been a long time ago, there are no temporary badges anymore, and no provision for a badge for a broken leg, no matter how badly broken.
 
Dave1 said:
It might sound strange, but putting them into the second row and slightly further away means less use by those who don't really need the bigger bay so they are more likely to be available for the people who do need them. There is nothing stopping a person who doesn't walk well from parking in the first row, if all they have is a stick do they really need the wider bay?
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I understand where you coming from Dave and actually yeah I can see the point.
Actually it makes more sense than it first appeared to (y)
 
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One of my work colleagues is miffed that he has just lost his disabled badge that he had for a couple of years following an op. Bearing in mind that he is on his feet walking or driving most of the day I never thought he should have had it renewed anyway.
His wife is more annoyed, he used to park his car in the disabled section of the local supermarket, nice and close, then take the dog for a walk whilst his wife did the shopping
 
Gremlin said:
One of my work colleagues is miffed that he has just lost his disabled badge that he had for a couple of years following an op. Bearing in mind that he is on his feet walking or driving most of the day I never thought he should have had it renewed anyway.
His wife is more annoyed, he used to park his car in the disabled section of the local supermarket, nice and close, then take the dog for a walk whilst his wife did the shopping
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Theres a lot of Blue Badge abuse goes on
 
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