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I have a dilemma and need to ask for some opinions please :(

Due to hand strength issues I have sold some kit recently, reluctantly. Only due to the weight issue.

So now I'm thinking Fuji X-T2 with a 18-55 lens on the front or a the Canon EOS 200d with a EF-S 17-55 lens attached.

What are your thoughts please?
 
Depends on your budget and if you need f2.8.
Personally I would go for the 18-135 if funds allow and you don't need f2.8, the OS on the lens is very good and the extra length IMHO makes up for the loss of the extra stop.
I might be a bit biased ( as its what I have ) but unless you need all the extras of the XT-2 I would save a lot of cash and get the XT-1 and spend the difference on a 10-24mm.
But certainly compare the XT-1 and XT-2 before you spend, you might find the XT-1 is more than adequate for your needs.
 
Sorry to hear about your issues. Do you think it's possibly something that may get worse? If so maybe plan ahead and possibly consider the M4/3 system. Like for like it will be slightly lighter still than the Fuji system, with only a minor difference in IQ.

Also, I would always advise anyone looking into the Fuji system to try them out first as whilst the images are generally beautiful, a small percentage of users see artefacts in certain scenarios and if you're one of the ones that does you'll not see past it unfortunately.

Edit: flagship Fuji and Olympus cameras with 24-82.5mm (equivalent) f2.8 and 24-80mm (equivalent) f2.8 lenses on.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#679.448,692.412,ha,t
 
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Excellent link to the camera size website, thank you (y)
 
I am not telling you what to go for Norkie, but for me it was a case of I had to change system altogether from Canon to Fuji. I tried both the X-T20 and X-T2 and loved how much lighter they were. I now have the X-T20 and will be picking up the X-T2 today. Try before you buy and see what you are comfortable with.
 
snerkler said:
Sorry to hear about your issues. Do you think it's possibly something that may get worse? If so maybe plan ahead and possibly consider the M4/3 system. Like for like it will be slightly lighter still than the Fuji system, with only a minor difference in IQ.
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I've added the mini SLR style Panasonic G85 and 12-35mm f2.8 and also the RF style GX85 and 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 mega OIS.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#692.412,679.448,689.336,673.374,ha,t

The 14-42mm lens is tiny and sharp from wide open and will obviously fit other MFT bodies. I have both of those zooms, I'd say that the 12-35mm f2.8 is excellent, the 14-42mm is excellent too but only f3.5-5.6. It is however tiny and makes for a compact and light camera and "kit zoom" package.

I don't know if the OP would prefer a SLR or RF style body for handling.
 
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woof woof said:
I've added the mini SLR style Panasonic G85 and 12-35mm f2.8 and also the RF style GX85 and 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 mega OIS.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#692.412,679.448,689.336,673.374,ha,t

The14-42mm lens is tiny and sharp from wide open and will obviously fit other MFT bodies. I have both of those zooms, I'd say that the 12-35mm f2.8 is excellent, the 14-42mm is excellent too but only f3.5-5.6. It is however tiny and makes for a compact and light camera and "kit zoom" package.

I don't know if the OP would prefer a SLR or RF style body for handling.
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The 14-42mm is indeed a nice lens, and produces nice images. The 12-40mm f2.8 is not only slightly sharper but overall renders nicer imo. However, as a compact setup the 14-42mm EZ is hard to beat.
 
Many thanks indeed for all the replies, it is very much appreciated :)

SLR or RF, I have no preference at present. I recently sold my Canon M5, the body was excellent but there is no decent glass for it. I like the X-T2, I've only handled it in store so not fully experienced with it, although I do like the size/handling.

I took a look at the EOS200 because of it's size etc. There is some decent glass in the EF-S range to consider.

You've given me food for thought, thank you.

I'll keep you posted (y)
 
Dave70D said:
I am not telling you what to go for Norkie, but for me it was a case of I had to change system altogether from Canon to Fuji. I tried both the X-T20 and X-T2 and loved how much lighter they were. I now have the X-T20 and will be picking up the X-T2 today. Try before you buy and see what you are comfortable with.
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Hi Dave, what lens are you currently using on to T20?
 
Norkie said:
Hi Dave, what lens are you currently using on to T20?
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Hi Norkie, just got back from town, with the X-T2 + XF 18-55mm. When I traded in at Jessops using some Canon lenses a few weeks back, I got the X-T20 + XC 16-50mm + XC 50-230mm, and have used both lenses, at the airshow I used the XC50-230mm and it was very light to have round my neck for the whole day, and no pain at all.
 
Dave70D said:
Hi Norkie, just got back from town, with the X-T2 + XF 18-55mm. When I traded in at Jessops using some Canon lenses a few weeks back, I got the X-T20 + XC 16-50mm + XC 50-230mm, and have used both lenses, at the airshow I used the XC50-230mm and it was very light to have round my neck for the whole day, and no pain at all.
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How do you find the 16-50mm vs the 18-55mm? I was really impressed with the 18-55mm.
 
Excellent, enjoy your new camera, keep us informed as to how you like it compared to the T20 ;)
 
I too have recently changed from Canon DSLR to Fuji - X-T1 & X-T10 with a few lenses and have no regrets at all.
The weight saving is massive and I was surprised how light the T1 is even with the battery grip and XF 10-24 or XF 55-200 mounted on it.
I suffer from back & neck injuries which forced my hand but in a weird way, I'm glad they did.
The Fuji images are first class and I wouldn't go back now after using the Fuji system - it doesn't feel like a compromise in any way shape or form, in fact I've got back my enthusiasm to get out and about and no longer suffer the aches and pains.
 
Norkie said:
So now I'm thinking Fuji X-T2 with a 18-55 lens on the front or a the Canon EOS 200d with a EF-S 17-55 lens attached.
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If you're looking to reduce weight, look at the Tamron 17-50/2.8.

woof woof said:
I've added the mini SLR style Panasonic G85 and 12-35mm f2.8 and also the RF style GX85 ...I'd say that the 12-35mm f2.8 is excellent, ...

I don't know if the OP would prefer a SLR or RF style body for handling.
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I have both the G80/85 and GX80/85 -- both great little cameras, however, the G80/85 with its SLR style shape might be easier to hold.

snerkler said:
The 12-40mm f2.8 is not only slightly sharper but overall renders nicer imo.
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The Olympus 12-40/2.8 is nice and the close focus can be really handy, but again the Panasonic 12-35/2.8 weighs that bit less.

If going the u43 route, I'd also be tempted to look at the Olympus 9-18, 12/2 or 17/1.8 and the Panasonic 12-32, 35-100/2.8, and 45-150.

(The Panasonic 100-300 is a little heavy but there is a third party -- Roche? -- tripod mount for the old version, and I'd assume the mkII.)
 
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acs said:
I have both the G80/85 and GX80/85 -- both great little cameras, however, the G80/85 with its SLR style shape might be easier to hold.
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I keep thinking about getting a G80 for the excellent EVF, I'd say that the one on the GX80 is poor by todays standards. Anyway, I definitely wouldn't buy a G80 without holding one first as I had the previous G7 and it was the most uncomfortable camera I've ever had, the shape of the grip bothered me every time I picked it up and was to be honest a big part of why I only kept it a short time, that and the shutter shock issue.
 
woof woof said:
I keep thinking about getting a G80 for the excellent EVF, I'd say that the one on the GX80 is poor by todays standards. Anyway, I definitely wouldn't buy a G80 without holding one first as I had the previous G7 and it was the most uncomfortable camera I've ever had, the shape of the grip bothered me every time I picked it up and was to be honest a big part of why I only kept it a short time, that and the shutter shock issue.
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Not sure how the grip compares to the G7, but I find the one on the G80 works well and much better with heavier lenses than the rangefinder style GX80 -- it even feels good with the Olympus 40-150/2.8 and Panasonic 100-400. I have a vague recollection of reading they'd made the grip a bit bigger on the G80 vs the G7. ...but it'd probably be wise for anyone moving to a much smaller body to hold one first, and ideally with a medium-large lens. (Given you liked the G1, I'd certainly give the G80 a try.)

The new shutters seem to work well and thankfully I seem to have avoided bodies that reportedly suffered from shutter shock.
 
All good suggestions for m4/3 in the above. Another option if you want maximum capability for minimum weight is the Olympus E-M10II.

Also if hand strength is an issue the Olympus bodies have the advantage of in-body IS versus Panasonic where it is usually built into the lens (but not all lenses have it).

Olympus prime lenses in the f/1.8-f/2.0 range are very light and have excellent optics. The 60 f/2.8 macro and the 30 f/3.5 macro are excellent too. The Olympus PRO lenses are a little heavier (but nowhere near DSLR size and weight) and again have first class optics.

If you have a look through my EyeEm portfolio virtually all the recent shots are taken handheld with the Olympus E-M10II and the Panasonic Lumix G Vario 45-150mm f/4.0-5.6 OIS or the Olympus M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 9‑18mm 1:4.0‑5.6.
 
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maarten.dhaese said:
Another option if you want maximum capability for minimum weight is the Olympus E-M10II.
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...and with the E-M10III expected tomorrow ;)

maarten.dhaese said:
Also if hand strength is an issue the Olympus bodies have the advantage of in-body IS versus Panasonic where it is usually built into the lens (but not all lenses have it).
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...though the Panasonic G80 and GX80 do have in-body IS.

maarten.dhaese said:
The 60 f/2.8 macro and the 30 f/3.5 macro are excellent too.
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...yes, especially the 60 :)
 
acs said:
The new shutters seem to work well and thankfully I seem to have avoided bodies that reportedly suffered from shutter shock.
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IMO the new shutters transform the cameras and I also like the ability to set it to auto to let the camera decide between electronic and mechanical.
 
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Dave70D said:
Just a quick update, I love the X-T20, but holding the X-T2 feels better, as the grip is solid and bigger, if you want I can put some shots taken with both in here ?
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That would be great Dave, thank you (y)
 
Many thanks indeed Dave, these are very helpful :)

I do think I'm going down the Fuji X-T2 route! The 18-55 lens feels like my preferred lens to begin with. The 10-24 is also on my favourites list (y)

Regards
 
I don't suppose you could be tempted to a Sony A7? :D
 
Norkie said:
Many thanks indeed Dave, these are very helpful :)

I do think I'm going down the Fuji X-T2 route! The 18-55 lens feels like my preferred lens to begin with. The 10-24 is also on my favourites list (y)

Regards
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Just glad I could help you out, I think you will love the X-T2 as a great grip on the front and thumb rest at the back :)
 
woof woof said:
I don't suppose you could be tempted to a Sony A7? :D
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No thank you Alan, I think I'll go for the Fuji, also the Fuji has some lovely glass to go on the front (y)
 
Well I've traded a M5 and kit lens for a X-T2 body, Bristol Cameras have sold me a 18-55 zoom lens. Not got them as yet but anxiously looking forward to it :)
 
Norkie said:
Well I've traded a M5 and kit lens for a X-T2 body, Bristol Cameras have sold me a 18-55 zoom lens. Not got them as yet but anxiously looking forward to it :)
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Good choice, I'm sure you'll really like the new kit. Look forward to seeing you in the XT thread :welcome:
 
Thanks Chris, can't wait now :banana:
 
Norkie said:
No thank you Alan, I think I'll go for the Fuji, also the Fuji has some lovely glass to go on the front (y)
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Fair enough but I thought the A7 deserved a mention as they're the same size as the Fuji and MFT mini SLR cameras but a step up in quality (IMO, because it's FF and the lenses are excellent) but larger than the MFT RF style cameras.

Good luck with the new kit.
 
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