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Hello all i am booked on a course for Adobe Photo shop in August, i have software that came with the canon 400D EOS Digital Solutions Disk V3.1, forgive my ignorance but which software would be easier for a thicko like me to use, All my questions seam so dull compared to others, better get up to speed on this :thinking:

Regards Mark dumbfounded:thinking:
 
Hello all i am booked on a course for Adobe Photo shop in August, i have software that came with the canon 400D EOS Digital Solutions Disk V3.1, forgive my ignorance but which software would be easier for a thicko like me to use, All my questions seam so dull compared to others, better get up to speed on this :thinking:

Regards Mark dumbfounded:thinking:

If your booked on a Photoshop course then Photoshop elements or CS3 would probably be the way to go.
 
NO links to dodgy software, end of.
 
I hope this doesn't open up a war of words... but I have used Corel software since version 3 (about 15 year nearly - current version is 14 or X4 as they brand it now) and I have found this to be far more functional than the matching Photoshop offering. Ok PhotoShop CS isn't bad nowadays but previously it's all been a bit hype - all froth no beer so to speak.

I refer to Corel PhotoPaint which is their premier image editing package, not Corel PaintShop Pro which is photographer and photo editing dedicated software, which is Corel's competition to Adobe Elements. However this too is an excellent package and puts out some cracking results with little effort which head-to-head has matched and in some cases beaten Elements in some mag and user reviews. There is plenty under that bonnet I can assure you.

Before PS lovers start picking up their verbal baseball bats, I need to add that I run a business that provides graphic design and imaging solutions for both printed media and the web (not a sales plug - just putting everyone in the picture) so we have always required more than just 'photo editing' from an image package. Photography is something I do for pleasure and have done since a teenager as I love it, but it also has now become part of my work too.

Personally (and professionally in some respects) I have found PS to be overly engineered and can sometimes take 15-20 steps (if not more) to do the same thing with equal results that Corel can do in 10!

I met an Adobe engineer at the Windows 2000 show (year not OS) and he admited to me and my printer colleague that Adobe purposly engineered their products to be compicated as (without predigest and every other leagal cover I can think of .. :help:) they didn't want their software being used by small businesses and home users! Their market was firmly the 'professional design' market and they saw us (then perhaps) as 'diluters of their brand'.!! :wave:

I remember PS v5.5 or 6 (I think) making a big noise about 'it's all new text handling features..' :shrug: Corel PP had been doing that for ages, and doing it very well. Popping text into or around your photos using PS then was not good - Corel just flew through the task with cracking results.

I still today (when I can be bothered to 'have another go') find it overly complicated. PS CS2 is ok and yes it has become the 'industry standard' so well done Adobe marketing dept (:clap:) but it is not necessarily the best at everything. i.e. Canons Photostitch offering (free with your Canon DSLR - if you havent tried it, do - it's great) produces comparible and some times far better results than CS2 does at stitching panorama elements together. My recent Snowdonia panorama in PS on auto took forever to work out and ended up looking pants. Phtotstitch turned in a cracking performance on auto first time, and in less than half the time too.

This is not a PS bashing reply honest, and I do hope your course goes well, but just be aware that Photoshop has become a comon phrase nowadays - people even refer to 'photoshopping your images' even if they don't use Photoshop (it's a bit like the Hoover brand name if you get my drift).

And don't even get me on the £'s issue.. thats a whole new ball game :thumbsdown: :bang: Training centres can afford the £'s that a full copy of PS costs - I bet not everyone using this forum can.

Examples:

Corel PaintShop Pro X2 £40 - latest version
Adobe Elements 6 £55 - latest version

CorelDraw X3 Suite (includes PhotoPaint) £70 - previous version, still available
CorelDraw X4 Suite (includes PhotoPaint) £340 - latest commercial version
CorelDraw X4 Suite (includes PhotoPaint) £99 - student version

Photoshop CS2 (only) £230 - previous version, still available
Photoshop CS3 (only) £500 !! - latest commercial version
Photoshop CS3 (only) £127 - student version


I'd better stop now... :bonk::bonk: :wave:
 
Boney Boy, that's a very interesting reply.

I used Paintshop Pro until about 2 years ago and often wish I'd updated to the latest version then rather than buying in to the Photoshop brand. I suppose I did believe the hype and thought that if I wanted to take digital seriously I'd better get the "best".

A while ago I read a review of PSP which basically concluded "who needs Photoshop ...... buy PSP and get a new lens with the money you've saved - or go on holiday" Perhaps the same thing could be said for Elements.

It seems to me that Photoshop is not really designed for photographers - its just too difficult, and does so many things that you will never need. It sometimes seems to be designed to confuse.

Unless you really enjoy complex software programs, go for something more basic - it will probably do 99% of what you will ever need. And you'll never know you needed the other 1%.

If its a photoshop course, you'd better go for elements, I guess. You may well need the Canon software as well for opening up RAW files as they come off the Card.
 
I did make the change from PSP10 I think it was to Photoshop. I actually preferred PSP, quicker, less resource hungry, easier to use, but for whatever reason I could not get it to autorotate images. It was really messing up the workflow so it had to go.
 
Hi Mercman,

I take it that you're a windows user?

I only ask because I use a MacBook and was recently advised to look at Aperture 2, Apples photographic suite. I've looked at the website and read some reviews and it looks good, although I'm totally inexperienced with any software so can't compare. They do a free 30 day trial.

Comus
 
I've got PSE6 and been using it for 5 months now. It's a great program and editing tool for the hobbyist. I wouldn't be without it now but my only beef is that it doesn't come with any meaningful manual. I had to go out a get the PSE6 for Dummies @ £16 for a fuller understanding.

Paul
 
Hi and many thanks for the replies, One of the main reasons i went for photo-shop was,

1 it will get me out of the house, on a course,

2 i am really bubbling with excitement at the prospect of actually joining in with a group again. i have not been out for a long time,

3 this course runs with basic digital photography and advanced.

4 the wife will let me go as long as she can do "cake decorating":thumbs:

5 it's wheelchair friendly,

this has opened up a whole new life for me i am so glad i found this site, very quick responses, and very informative people, This is just the kind of distraction in need from the pain, still take meds but my minds else where.


Kind Regards Mark the very optimistic.
 
Hi Mercman,

I take it that you're a windows user?

I only ask because I use a MacBook and was recently advised to look at Aperture 2, Apples photographic suite. I've looked at the website and read some reviews and it looks good, although I'm totally inexperienced with any software so can't compare. They do a free 30 day trial.

Comus

Hi comus we have vista home premium as well i wounder if that would be better than XP,

Regards Mark.
 
A lot of the concepts on the course will probably be the same what ever software you are using to manipulate images.

FWIW I don't use Photoshop, there are 2 reasons:
1 - Lightroom does everything I need
2 - I can't afford it!
 
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