Digital Medium Format Thread

Mr Perceptive said:
With the GFX50SII due to be announced on Thursday - this will then (no doubt) determine the price of 50R's and current 50S's (bothe new and secondhand) - GFX50SII expected to between £3800 and £4200 - we will also know full specs (sound like FGX100S body with GFX50S sensor but with IBIS) - also new 'kit' lens coming GF35-70 rumoured to be £500 budled as a kit.
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Will be interesting to see whether they'll sell original GFX50s alongside GFX50sII like Sony do - you can still buy Sony A7RII's and A7RIII's new.

Kit lens sounds interesting - but with the 32-64, 45-100, 100-200 and now a 35-70 there seems to be a lot of intermediate focal length zoom lens overlap - but nothing zoom wise wider than 32mm, or longer than 200. The 200-250 range remains uncovered.

I'd have thought given the price of the body, the 32-64 would make a good kit, and a wide zoom say 20-45mm would make really good sense and they could then upsell a trinity zoom package to those upgrading from smaller formats.
 
SFTPhotography said:
Will be interesting to see whether they'll sell original GFX50s alongside GFX50sII like Sony do - you can still buy Sony A7RII's and A7RIII's new.

Kit lens sounds interesting - but with the 32-64, 45-100, 100-200 and now a 35-70 there seems to be a lot of intermediate focal length zoom lens overlap - but nothing zoom wise wider than 32mm, or longer than 200. The 200-250 range remains uncovered.

I'd have thought given the price of the body, the 32-64 would make a good kit, and a wide zoom say 20-45mm would make really good sense and they could then upsell a trinity zoom package to those upgrading from smaller formats.
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I think that the original GFX50S will disappear, the kit lens makes a lot of sense, a £4.5K MF package (small body camera with IBIS) will be enticing for many. yes there is overlap (and the new lens is not an F4 lens (F4.5-5.6). I agree that a wide angle zoom is lacking, earlier in the year there were rumours of a 20-32mm, but these have disappeared (for the moment) - they also have been slow in tele photo lengths, but they were also slow with the X-series cameras in this department, so maybe they just don't see it as a sweet spot.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
I think that the original GFX50S will disappear, the kit lens makes a lot of sense, a £4.5K MF package (small body camera with IBIS) will be enticing for many. yes there is overlap (and the new lens is not an F4 lens (F4.5-5.6). I agree that a wide angle zoom is lacking, earlier in the year there were rumours of a 20-32mm, but these have disappeared (for the moment) - they also have been slow in tele photo lengths, but they were also slow with the X-series cameras in this department, so maybe they just don't see it as a sweet spot.
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20-32 isn't great, because then you need 32-64, and 45-100 to cover that range. They need to come up with zoom lens range that spans a FL range without much overlap.

Eg with 645z you can get 28-45, 45-85, 80-160, 150-300 - ie a series of zooms with very little overlap.

Sadly the 150-300 isn't very good otherwise I'd have gone for that but I have the other 3 and they work really nicely. The Fuji 45-100 looks really good and a 100-200 and UWA zoom would work well for a lot of landscapers, who lets face it, will be the bulk buyers of this system along with studio shooters.

The 23mm looks interesting, as goes the 30, but there's a huge gap in these commonly used landscapers field of view that's left unattended.
 
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The problem with the 35-70mm is Fuji are bound to do a massive price reduction on it as soon as I've bought it, just the same as the 50mm ;)

I have to agree about the GF lens line up, there is a lot of overlap.
 
Mr Bastable said:
The problem with the 35-70mm is Fuji are bound to do a massive price reduction on it as soon as I've bought it, just the same as the 50mm ;)

I have to agree about the GF lens line up, there is a lot of overlap.
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Rumours are £500 extra in a kit or £1000 on its own. I think I'd be waiting for someone to sell on one bought in a kit :)
 
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trevorbray said:
Something keeps me coming back to this thread. Constantly checking used prices..(Fuji)
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Same here, it's very frustrating because I know that I'll regret losing the A9 AF system. I suppose the A1 is the solution for me, but will it have that magical MF look?
 
gman said:
Same here, it's very frustrating because I know that I'll regret losing the A9 AF system. I suppose the A1 is the solution for me, but will it have that magical MF look?
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And for the price of an A1 would would be in a GFX100s. If you shoot stuff that moves and is far away, get the A1 as the range of Tele's, frame rate is amazing with the Sony. If you shoot stuff that's still, and closer, GFX100s.
 
gman said:
Same here, it's very frustrating because I know that I'll regret losing the A9 AF system. I suppose the A1 is the solution for me, but will it have that magical MF look?
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Crikey. Thanks. I thought it was just me. Thing is, I love that shallow depth of field from my f1.2 and 1.4 lenses.
Bloody cameras ....grrrr
 
Hi just a question.....I can see that older digital backs are becoming more tempting on the used market, yes I am sure they have many short comings, and I can see thinks like the Phase P25 which can mount onto older Hasselblad 500 series cameras.

Question is, can you slap one of these backs on and off you go shooting or do you need some form of adaptor to mount them?
I am aware that there are cables that are needed to connect to the lens.

Thanks
 
Knikki said:
Hi just a question.....I can see that older digital backs are becoming more tempting on the used market, yes I am sure they have many short comings, and I can see thinks like the Phase P25 which can mount onto older Hasselblad 500 series cameras.

Question is, can you slap one of these backs on and off you go shooting or do you need some form of adaptor to mount them?
I am aware that there are cables that are needed to connect to the lens.

Thanks
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WIth the correct back it should go straight on. A few things to be aware of:-

1) Some of these backs are quite old, and when the electronics die, you will probably be the owner of a paperweight!
2) Many of them have a smaller sensor area than the film back would, resulting in a cropped image
3) Most older ones are CCD technology, as opposed to today's CMOS sensors, these may have less dynamic range than newer sensors though their edge sharpness may be better.

 
Mr Perceptive said:
Fujifilm Summit (today)

GFX50S II available end of Sept US$3999
GF35-70 available at same time

GF20-35 zoom in pipeline and a tiltshift GF lens
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Tilt shift is very good idea.

20-35 seems a good idea, then 32-64, then 45-100, then 100-200. 4 zooms...reckon with 25-45 they could have done it in 3 but this system I could see myself in if I had to go mirrorless years down the line
 
Mr Perceptive said:
GFX50S II £3,499 WEX
GFGX50S II + GF35-70 £3,899 WEX
GF35-70 £849 WEX

All Pre-Order


and hints of a GF55mm F1.7 further down the line
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You'd be mad not to take the 35-70 if its in the kit. Free dual charger.

Expect Wex will have to discount the 50s I as it's more expensive than the 50s II body only.
 
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With the kit lens seems a no brainer if just getting into Medium Format
 
Any delivery dates ?
 
trevorbray said:
Any delivery dates ?
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They suggested available by end of the month, but that depends on numbers of pre-orders and stocking allocations. Fujifilm are generally quite good at meeting pre-orders, but if demand is high who knows. If you are going for it, then personally I would put an order in before the photography show next week and get up the queue.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
They suggested available by end of the month, but that depends on numbers of pre-orders and stocking allocations. Fujifilm are generally quite good at meeting pre-orders, but if demand is high who knows. If you are going for it, then personally I would put an order in before the photography show next week and get up the queue.
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Pre Ordered Don’t really want the kit lens. But stupid not to have it with the camera.
Better get selling. I’ve quite a bit of unused gear.
 
trevorbray said:
Pre Ordered Don’t really want the kit lens. But stupid not to have it with the camera.
Better get selling. I’ve quite a bit of unused gear.
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Well I'd be up for the kit lens, less than one on its own but more than you've paid for it...if that sounds interesting lets talk after its in your hands!

My shooting habits are changing, I'm shooting a lot more film, and using the X100F and the GFX for digital, think the X-H1 and the associated lens might be for the chop!
 
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Peter123 said:
Question.
Is the £2k extra for the 100S worth it?
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More modern sensor
102MP v 51MP
16bit RAW v 14bitRAW
Faster AF (Phase Detection) v Contrast Detection
More video options

Only you can tell if those extra MP are worth it, unless you are printing big, and I mean big (bigger than A1) or are cropping heavily, I expect the 50 is enough for most. I expect for most people the 2K difference would be best invested in another lens.

I'm very happy with the output from the 50 (Mk1, obviously as upgrade would give me more MP and IBIS, but I would lose that lovely tiltable EVF)

There some negatives to going to 100MP, mostly to do with the huge file size and subsequent processing of the images, you will need a decent computer.
 
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Mr Perceptive said:
More modern sensor
102MP v 51MP
16bit RAW v 14bitRAW
Faster AF (Phase Detection) v Contrast Detection
More video options

Only you can tell if those extra MP are worth it, unless you are printing big, and I mean big (bigger than A1) or are cropping heavily, I expect the 50 is enough for most. I expect for most people the 2K difference would be best invested in another lens.

I'm very happy with the output from the 50 (Mk1, obviously as upgrade would give me more MP and IBIS, but I would lose that lovely tiltable EVF)
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I'm with you on the tilting EVF wouldn't be without mine.
 
Topsy said:
I'm with you on the tilting EVF wouldn't be without mine.
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that's for the full GFX100, no?

Is the price worth it? If you're selling a decent volume of images or prints it's not so much. If not, then all depends on circumstances.
 
TimHughes said:
that's for the full GFX100, no?

Is the price worth it? If you're selling a decent volume of images or prints it's not so much. If not, then all depends on circumstances.
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I have the original 50S but the tilt adapter does fit the original 100S. I never thought the 100S was worth the money to upgrade from the 50S I am very happy with my 50S no intention of changing it unless it dies.
 
I think if I was buying into the Fuji system I'd be tempted to find the £2k extra for the 100s.

My computer can cope.
The massive files would open up some nice printing options and potentially other commercial things.
And I love to pixel peep.

In saying that I don't feel 50mp is lacking. It would be an agonising choice
 
See the 50S II - is it the same sensor as the 50S I - with no on sensor PFAF - in otherwords the same one that's in the 645z I sport.

What would be interesting if they did a GFX100r - basically a GFX50r with the 100s chip for about £7-800 less than the 100s. I also wonder if they'll bridge the gap between 50 and 100mp - but that might clutter the range a little/
 
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SFTPhotography said:
See the 50S II - is it the same sensor as the 50S I - with no on sensor PFAF - in otherwords the same one that's in the 645z I sport.

What would be interesting if they did a GFX100r - basically a GFX50r with the 100s chip for about £7-800 less than the 100s. I also wonder if they'll bridge the gap between 50 and 100mp - but that might clutter the range a little/
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I suspect the 50R will continue, but I would expect a price drop, at £3199 it's not going to sell against the 50S MkII - Fuji have a habit of making multiple body shapes with the same sensor (see the X-series bodies/cluttered range), but in reality the 50R deserves to disappear, its a slab of camera that even its own mother couldn't love (despite it being only slightly different in size to the 50S Mk1)
 
So, while I'm waiting for the new toy I thought i'd revisit some shots taken when I briefly had the 50s in April
Very quick lightroom process.
I keep meaning to shoot this with my other system and compare.
Maybe one day I will, need to do it before I pay for the preorder.
Anyway,,

Another view of the Church.jpg by Trevor, on Flickr
 
Mr Perceptive said:
I suspect the 50R will continue, but I would expect a price drop, at £3199 it's not going to sell against the 50S MkII - Fuji have a habit of making multiple body shapes with the same sensor (see the X-series bodies/cluttered range), but in reality the 50R deserves to disappear, its a slab of camera that even its own mother couldn't love (despite it being only slightly different in size to the 50S Mk1)
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I just wish they’d stick a hybrid viewfinder (like the XPro line) in the 50R, that way they’d get some proper differentiation between the lines and I’d get my digital Mamiya 7!
 
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