Did you get paid, Did you get paid, Did you get paid????

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I am SICK of seeing this, especially when the OP is talking about a teeny-small publication/a way in which they can see their work portrayed/through an avenue that the publisher had NO intention of paying for in any case (some of the pics on the likes of BBC etc - really filler material and to make readers of the site feel involved and come back again and again and again).

Y'all do realise that this is a forum for all levels of photography? What if those 'lucky togs' who happened to take the pic you didn't got paid? You wre not there anyway. :shrug:

I have yet to see a thread that states, categorically, that a professional tog was there at the same time, could prove it and could also state that they lost out. If the person who took the photo did not therefore, rip the food out of the baby's mouth by virtue of Dad or Mum not being there to earn it, what's the problem?

Just saying :D

Now, come flame if you want to...:)
 
Grow up.
 
PaulF said:
And now, duck......:runaway:
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I will do! Don't you worry about that!

However, this is a fairly mixed forum and to see people berated for their achievements kind of grates after a while, especially when it's not the guy with the camera to blame but the wheels of media/internet/whatever - some just feel very proud to have their pic on a popular site, they don't seek or want payment, they don't take photographs the average professional would stoop to and those who complain wouldn't have taken the photo in the first place, much less submit it for publication.

Same as the paps have to kind of compete against a guy with a 'phone who gets his pic into Heat Magazine.
 
~Sam~ said:
I am SICK of seeing this, especially when the OP is talking about a teeny-small publication/a way in which they can see their work portrayed/through an avenue that the publisher had NO intention of paying for in any case (some of the pics on the likes of BBC etc - really filler material and to make readers of the site feel involved and come back again and again and again).

Y'all do realise that this is a forum for all levels of photography? What if those 'lucky togs' who happened to take the pic you didn't got paid? You wre not there anyway. :shrug:

I have yet to see a thread that states, categorically, that a professional tog was there at the same time, could prove it and could also state that they lost out. If the person who took the photo did not therefore, rip the food out of the baby's mouth by virtue of Dad or Mum not being there to earn it, what's the problem?

Just saying :D

Now, come flame if you want to...:)
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Good Post.

Should a sunday league footballer demand to be paid so as not to rob the food off premiership players table?

If folk want to get paid for taking photographs, then take better ones than the amateur across the street.
 
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And conversely, lots of threads come up with someone with a low level of skills and experience saying that they have got a 'job' somehow shooting something or other - how should they charge? what shoot should they do? how do they set up the lighting? etcetc.

This is what the real issue is with. 'well my boss was going to hire a professional but I told him not to because I had a big camera....'


*ducks*
 
I have popcorn if anyone needs it :wave:

This is quite possibly one of the best posts I've seen in a while!!
 
What are you ducking for?

You speak the truth. Mind you, some people strive to achieve mediocrity and succeed. The forum is now full of people like the OP, bitter and narrow minded.............:thumbsdown:
 
Sam - when will you and people like you realise that getting published without getting paid is NOT an achievement - it's a RIP OFF!
 
Tony, Andy, don`t waste your time..................:)
 
david1701 said:
well if your work aint worth being paid for :p
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It's not, I can assure you!! My main point is that pretty much anyone who states that they have been published pretty much anywhere is attacked very quickly regarding whether or not they have been paid.

For those who are grabbing the popcorn, I am merely stating that a non-pro can gain a lot from a little exposure and that the pros aren't always there for the pic.
 
Well, I wasn't going to bite, but sure why not! It wouldn't be a forum if we didn't discuss stuff eh!

~Sam~ said:
...had NO intention of paying for in any case (some of the pics on the likes of BBC etc - really filler material and to make readers of the site feel involved and come back again and again and again). ...
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You see, that bit there makes no sense. They'll pay a person to build the web site. They'll pay a person to write the text for those pages. They'll pay someone for the servers that the website is hosted on. But they shouldn't pay for any photos?
 
Just to clarify Sam is not me in disguise. :lol:

But i do like the cut of her Jib... GO GIRL YOU TELL THEM. :thumbs:
 
~Sam~ said:
It's not, I can assure you!! My main point is that pretty much anyone who states that they have been published pretty much anywhere is attacked very quickly regarding whether or not they have been paid.

For those who are grabbing the popcorn, I am merely stating that a non-pro can gain a lot from a little exposure and that the pros aren't always there for the pic.
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They get 'attacked' because some people do rely on photography to pay the bills and if papers etc know they don't have to pay it becomes harder to earn a living.

Imagine if you did want to earn a living from it but couldn't because people are prepared to work for free so no one wanted to pay you?
 
~Sam~ said:
For those who are grabbing the popcorn, I am merely stating that a non-pro can gain a lot from a little exposure and that the pros aren't always there for the pic.
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You gain absolutely nothing from FREE exposure - and if the pros arn't there it's because no-one is paying them to be there any more.

They pay everyone else - and I dare say you get paid in your daily job - because of the FREE merchants professional photography is being down rated.
 
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KIPAX said:
Why does it upset you so much?
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It does not upset me really, I just see so many posts attacking someone who is proud of what they have done, with the follow up questions regarding payment and all that it led me to state that this is not the be all and end all for some (which is obvious from so many posts and ensuing discussions).
 
~Sam~ said:
I am merely stating that a non-pro can gain a lot from a little exposure and that the pros aren't always there for the pic.
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And to add, the only thing you really gain is a nice warm feeling in your tummy, because you got a photo published. The only people that look at who took said photo are other photographers. When did you EVER look at the photographers name below a photo before you got into photography? Be honest... If you're like me then the answer is never.
 
Can I ask what about competitions that dont have a prize? Just for the sake of winning is that the same as "You should of got paid" JW.
 
david1701 said:
well if your work aint worth being paid for :p
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I think thats Sam's point David, it's not her "work", its her hobby and the items are her photographs.
For you it is your work, in both respects.

Having a photograph published or it winning accolade of some sort is the pinnacle for most amateur tog's, it gives us a healthy boost of confidence and pushes us on, and for some it will even steer them towards making it their work.


itsdavedotnet said:
And conversely, lots of threads come up with someone with a low level of skills and experience saying that they have got a 'job' somehow shooting something or other - how should they charge? what shoot should they do? how do they set up the lighting? etcetc.

This is what the real issue is with. 'well my boss was going to hire a professional but I told him not to because I had a big camera....'


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Nah your right Dave and it highlights one of my personal bug bears, that's people who are just amateur photographers plastering "Dominic Davis photography" or similar all over their sites and images. Just cos you have some half decent kit and can throw a few decent images together doesn't make you a pro or a business, for gods sake be proud to be an amateur photographer, I am and when my site goes live it will be quite clear on there that I am an amateur, doing photography for pleasure, not to pay the bills.

Re competitions.. no its not the same as getting paid, I entered one recently, my first ever and only did so for the fun of it and because the entry fee's where helping a charity.
I was both delighted and gob smacked that I won it, primarily for two reasons, the judges where my peers and leading members of this site, that they judged my image worthy meant more than prizes ever could, secondly one of the prizes was a 16 X 12 print of the image and I had wanted a large print of it for ages. The £25 voucher that came with it was spent on a new bed for my dog but in all honesty I wasn't worried about the voucher, the previous two reasons where all I needed.
 
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iancandler said:
. . . and for some it will even steer them towards making it their work.
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That is the point - if amateurs continue to give work away then there won't be anyone prepared to pay! It's happening already - rates for pro work are dropping. Getting published for free is nothing I'm afraid. They are being taken advantage of and just to vain to see it.
 
To be honest, people should just learn to deal with it. COMPETITION is in pretty much any area of business... There will always be someone, somewhere, that can offer a similar service for a cheaper price.
Does Waitrose go on forums and complain about the fact that that cheap b****r down the road, Aldi, is undercutting him? No. I seriously have absolutely no idea why photographers get so caught up in it, just man up and get on with it. Some people want to be paid, some don't. Simple.
 
If it's worth publishing it's worth getting paid for. If you give your work away you're a mug. The picture editir will be laughing at you. Another free photo that will help sell our publication and make us money. While you have nothing. Having a photo published is not a sign of it's worthyness. It was just free.
 
Aldi don't give stuff away for free. I can cope with fair comeptition but that's not what we are discussing here. People who give their work away for free are being taken for fools.
 
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SamuelHearn said:
To be honest, people should just learn to deal with it. COMPETITION is in pretty much any area of business... There will always be someone, somewhere, that can offer a similar service for a cheaper price.
Does Waitrose go on forums and complain about the fact that that cheap b****r down the road, Aldi, is undercutting him? No. I seriously have absolutely no idea why photographers get so caught up in it, just man up and get on with it. Some people want to be paid, some don't. Simple.
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There is a difference between "cheaper" which is fair competition and "free" surely you can see that? :cuckoo: As you say yourself you're 15 year old wannabe. If you can't grasp the basic ecenomic facts you are going to be a neverbe!
 
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Maybe the image only got published was because is was free...... not much to be proud of there. Both photography & gardening are hobbies but if someone went around my town offering free gardening i would be screwed. Now apply that to what ever you do for a living.
 
Ahhhh, the good old Pro/Am divide. Always great to see it alive and prospering. :'(

I think that as a working snapper, if you're worried about someone with next to no experience taking your work away, you really need to up your game or get another job. You just make yourself look foolish moaning here.

This is photography, not medicine or law and society has rightly decided that we don't need to be regulated or qualified because what we do is just not that critical or complicated. If a punter wants to take a chance on a cheap or freebie service and it goes horribly wrong, for the most part the world doesn't end.
 
awp said:
That is the point - if amateurs continue to give work away then there won't be anyone prepared to pay! It's happening already - rates for pro work are dropping. Getting published for free is nothing I'm afraid. They are being taken advantage of and just to vain to see it.
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Totally agree.It does not matter if you are amateur or pro, if someone wants to publish your photo they should pay. simples.
 
awp said:
Aldi don't give stuff away for free. I can cope with fair comptition but that's not what we are discussing here. People who give their work away for free are being taken for fools.
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You know what I mean though, just a comparison ;)

You may think they are foolish, but to be honest there is nothing that can be done about that.

I will continue to do shoots for cheap / free, if somebody wants a top quality product they will go to a top quality tog, which I am not. Simple as that really, people usually get what they pay for. If they want something truly awesome, they will pay a lot for it. If they aren't too bothered, they obviously wouldn't have been willing to pay the full price of the amazing product anyway..
 
dazzajl said:
Ahhhh, the good old Pro/Am divide. Always great to see it alive and prospering. :'(

I think that as a working snapper, if you're worried about someone with next to no experience taking your work away, you really need to up your game or get another job. You just make yourself look foolish moaning here.

This is photography, not medicine or law and society has rightly decided that we don't need to be regulated or qualified because what we do is just not that critical or complicated. If a punter wants to take a chance on a cheap or freebie service and it goes horribly wrong, for the most part the world doesn't end.
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Agree to a certain degree, but why should the people who do this for a living offer free,good and experienced advice on here if they are to be subjected to nonsense threads like this?

Less and less pros will offer that advice, so where do the people ,who want to learn, go then?.........:shrug:
 
dazzajl said:
I think that as a working snapper, if you're worried about someone with next to no experience taking your work away, you really need to up your game or get another job. You just make yourself look foolish moaning here.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. I am pretty appalling at trying to get my point across, this is far more to the point :thumbs:
 
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