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ST4 said:
The 3rd part, after the New Testament ends is nothing like the bible and that's the defining part of the religion. It talks of beheading non believers, raping the women of non believers, acts of martyrdom and jihad (the struggle).

It even talks of veiled women which is where that oppressive practice of burkas comes from.
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The word burqa or burkah is not to be found anywhere in the Quran
Chapter 24 v21 does instructs men and women to dress and behave modestly in society
Chapter 24 v31 instructs women to Cover your chest
Chapter 33 v59 instructs women to lengthen your garments
Chapter 7 v26 says, the best garment is righteousness and modest conduct

Some Muslims base their authority regarding the burqa on the hadith (the collected traditions of life in the days of prophet Muhammad) but written by some scholars, so their interpretations.

The arabic word hijab (loose translation of veil or yashmak in terms of clothing) can be found in the Quran, however hijab can also be translated as screen, barrier, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider etc.
It appears in the Qur’an seven times, five of them as “hijab” and twice as “hijaban”. See 7:46, 17:45, 19:17, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51. however at no time does it refer to it as a womans dress code.
 
Christians have persecuted Muslims for centuries...more like the other way round. We had to fight to keep the Ottoman empire at bay and fight them out of spain...

Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe due to Muslim immigration.
 
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Byker28i said:
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The word burqa or burkah is not to be found anywhere in the Quran
Chapter 24 v21 does instructs men and women to dress and behave modestly in society
Chapter 24 v31 instructs women to Cover your chest
Chapter 33 v59 instructs women to lengthen your garments
Chapter 7 v26 says, the best garment is righteousness and modest conduct

Some Muslims base their authority regarding the burqa on the hadith (the collected traditions of life in the days of prophet Muhammad) but written by some scholars, so their interpretations.

The arabic word hijab (loose translation of veil or yashmak in terms of clothing) can be found in the Quran, however hijab can also be translated as screen, barrier, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider etc.
It appears in the Qur’an seven times, five of them as “hijab” and twice as “hijaban”. See 7:46, 17:45, 19:17, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51. however at no time does it refer to it as a womans dress code.
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Its fairly obvious from all that lot exactly what is expected. As I said, an oppressive custom rooted in that religion.
 
Oh dear god / Allah... X2
Are you aware of just how you come across, to other people ?

Can I suggest you speak to a barclays digital eagle to review you social media profiles...
 
See steve, I was brought up a christian, but a non believer now, but those morals stick with you.

Plenty of stuff in the bible about judging people. You've only got to look at some using it to judge gay people for example.

Seen the new Canadian Premier and his government? Proper diversity, related people for the posts and when asked why he thought it important to have a gender mix said: "Because it's 2015"
http://www.newsweek.com/because-its-2015-canadas-trudeau-sums-his-gender-equal-cabinet-390797
 
@ST4, when you say about Saudi women not being allowed to drive and the country is backwards blah blah.. A question.

In the UK women were not allowed to vote. Is it the Christian Religion (seen as the UK is Christian majority) that caught up to modern day that then allowed women to vote..?

My wife is Muslim but allowed to drive.. Does that mean the Religion is allowing that or the UK laws..?
 
ST4 said:
Christians have persecuted Muslims for centuries...more like the other way round. We had to fight to keep the Ottoman empire at bay and fight them out of spain...
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We can trade Moorish Spain for French North Africa, the siege of Vienna for the crusades against Jerusalem, and keep this bouncing backwards and forwards forever - but a belief in holier-than-though christianity is difficult to justify.

As much as it would simplify things if global politics and the role that religion plays within it could be reduced to a game of top trumps, it isn't that straightforward.



Personally I'm with the French, the state should be secular. And I'd give no charitable/tax benefits to any religion that didn't comply with the laws of the land - and as far as gender equality is concerned that puts the anglicans and catholics in the sh*tter just as much as islam. I have an equal opportunity dislike of the hypocrisy of organised religion.
 
So your cartoons in post 187 https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/did-isis-down-a-passenger-jet.606716/page-5#post-7117554

The first was from Charlie Hebo, well known for satirical cartoons against muslims, in fact their offices were attacked because of it.
The second is interesting, it's a change from the original cartoon from soviet russia in the 50's warning against the perils of drink

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ST4 said:
I see it as best person of the post, not picking someone based on their gender.
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Unfortunately not, to have so much of an equal split, there has to be discrimination, what if all of the best were all women? Or all men?
 
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ST4 said:
I see it as best person of the post, not picking someone based on their gender.
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Which is in part the root of the problem. When an exclusively white, male, middle-aged group is tasked with appointing the best person for the job it's conceivable that they may lack the diversity of thought to consider that someone that's not like them may be the best person for the job.

Governments, boards of directors, etc. have struggled to break through the initial impasse caused by a lack of diversity to reach the other side where a diverse pool of experience and thought might reach the conclusion that different people are the right people for the job. They've entrenched into senior roles modes of working and values of what's "best" that precludes people not like them from fulfilling the criteria they've defined as "best".
 
Byker28i said:
See steve, I was brought up a christian, but a non believer now, but those morals stick with you.

Plenty of stuff in the bible about judging people. You've only got to look at some using it to judge gay people for example.

Seen the new Canadian Premier and his government? Proper diversity, related people for the posts and when asked why he thought it important to have a gender mix said: "Because it's 2015"
http://www.newsweek.com/because-its-2015-canadas-trudeau-sums-his-gender-equal-cabinet-390797
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That is not good imo. Why not just pick the best person for the job. If they are all men, fine. All women, fine. All black, fine. Picking people because of sex and colour is as bad as not picking them because of the same.
 
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@ST4, when you say about Saudi women not being allowed to drive and the country is backwards blah blah.. A question.

In the UK women were not allowed to vote. Is it the Christian Religion (seen as the UK is Christian majority) that caught up to modern day that then allowed women to vote..?

My wife is Muslim but allowed to drive.. Does that mean the Religion is allowing that or the UK laws..?
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Maybe it would be a safer place if we followed the Saudi model and didn't allow women to drive? [emoji6]
 
Alastair said:
Which is in part the root of the problem. When an exclusively white, male, middle-aged group is tasked with appointing the best person for the job it's conceivable that they may lack the diversity of thought to consider that someone that's not like them may be the best person for the job.

Governments, boards of directors, etc. have struggled to break through the initial impasse caused by a lack of diversity to reach the other side where a diverse pool of experience and thought might reach the conclusion that different people are the right people for the job. They've entrenched into senior roles modes of working and values of what's "best" that precludes people not like them from fulfilling the criteria they've defined as "best".
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Didn't stop Maggie being PM for 10 odd years, succeeded in a 'mans world'.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXzaX2J-UWE


What do you make of this moderate cleric and his honest responses to legitimate questions.....Intresting considdering many of the posts here are supportive of Islam and its religon of peace label.

I know what I think, and I know how it scares me and how it makes me feel for the future. The worry I have for my son and his generation. What do you think? This is not a lone cleric mouthing off! these are honest considered widely felt views, not very often shared as open as this I think though.

I did say I would bow out, but there is a lot riding on public opinion and it seems so very one sided. There seems to be alot of heads in the sand when these things are discussed and a lot of people in denial.....

I have no ill will against anyone of ANY faith as long as we ALL free to choose I am happy! Its up to individuals if they have or do not have a faith.
 
ST4 said:
I was thinking more Saudi. I'm not sure if you're married but best not to give/rent your wife a car to drive. She won't be able to go far.

Just one example of how Islamic culture is so backward. Best not denounce the great Mohammed as your head will be cut off.

That sort of culture is leading to planes being taken out the sky and the crimes we're seeing due to migrants in Europe. But that's ok, you defend it. View attachment 49870View attachment 49871
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I've driven in Saudi.
 
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What do you make of this moderate cleric and his honest responses to legitimate questions.....Intresting considdering many of the posts here are supportive of Islam and its religon of peace label.

I know what I think, and I know how it scares me and how it makes me feel for the future. The worry I have for my son and his generation. What do you think? This is not a lone cleric mouthing off! these are honest considered widely felt views, not very often shared as open as this I think though.

I did say I would bow out, but there is a lot riding on public opinion and it seems so very one sided. There seems to be alot of heads in the sand when these things are discussed and a lot of people in denial.....

I have no ill will against anyone of ANY faith as long as we ALL free to choose I am happy! Its up to individuals if they have or do not have a faith.
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With those sort of videos it'd be nice to see a source so we could know what's been said actually matches the subtitles......
 
That'll be a no then.
 
ZoneV said:
Incorrect.

Google "Muslim VC winners".

Your turn. :)
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Didn't realize a vc was proof that you have done more for your country!!! Did a quick look on my phone and the are 3 but judging by the state of pictures they seem to be pre-1945. Not knocking them but I fail to see how that proves anything.
 
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Didn't realize a vc was proof that you have done more for your country!!! Did a quick look on my phone and the are 3 but judging by the state of pictures they seem to be pre-1945. Not knocking them but I fail to see how that proves anything. Am sure many of mosleys crew won medals for bravery in ww2 also. .
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ZoneV said:
Incorrect.

Google "Muslim VC winners".

Your turn. :)
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Well, you could have related that instead of posting an inane, sarcastic 'lol'.
 
I wonder, how many life-saving operations were performed in our hospitals by Muslim surgeons this week?

Meanwhile, the Royal Anglian Regiment tell Britain First to remove a picture of their soldiers from its propaganda.

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Britain First: British Army regiment asks group to remove photograph of soldiers from Facebook page

Far-right organisation Britain First has been asked to remove a photograph of British soldiers from its official Facebook page.

The group, known for their anti-immigration rhetoric, posted a photograph of soldiers from the Royal Anglian Regiment over the weekend, captioned: “How many likes for the Royal Anglians, the ‘Vikings’!” "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-of-soldiers-from-facebook-page-a6719571.html
 
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Far too many people trying to score point off each other in this thread!
One day you may actually manage a sensible discussion without getting personal or trying to score points..
But for now :lock:
 
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