Derren brown: apocolypse/fear and faith

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I'm a self confessed super fan of derren brown and I thought his new experiment/show last night was superb.

Anybody else see it on ch4, part 2 is next week.

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Yep, it was very good. Ok some of the acting was a little flakey, but I dont think it matters, as if you woke up in that situation, you wouldnt be thinking, "hold on this girl sounds scripted"

Great idea, and so far very well put together. cant wait for the next one!
 
I thought I might enjoy it, certainly a fantastic clever idea and application of his skills, but after about 15mins I found I didn't enjoy the guy getting upset or scared, and I didn't enjoy watching Darren gloating over his goals success in achieving such a level of deceit.

Clever and very interesting bur I personally switched off wishing Darren had choose something other than another show torchering humans to show off his skills.
 
That's kinda what he does though.

His last few have been the same, the bank robbery one, the seance one etc.

All performance hypnotism is in a way torturing a human, be it making them do chicken impressions in front of an audience a la Paul McKenna or being chased through a desolate waste ground by zombies.

I assume the guy involved has allowed it to be showed, so he obviously didn't mind it too much.
 
Based on our planet has been destroyed and there are Zombies roaming everywhere :thinking: Well both the former and latter are kinda happening. As for anything like this on TV, it is a bit hard to take seriously imho :shrug:
 
Pointless, inane drivel.
 
I have to agree with fracster

Years ago I watched a guy I knew munching on an onion like it was a juicy apple, we all know hypnotists can make people do pretty much anything

This was just an elaborate version of munching on an onion
 
I'm not a fan of hypnosis and very sceptical about whether you can actually just put
a guy to "sleep" by means of a quick touch. From that point on, it was all a bit of a joke for me.
 
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That's kinda what he does though.

His last few have been the same, the bank robbery one, the seance one etc.

All performance hypnotism is in a way torturing a human, be it making them do chicken impressions in front of an audience a la Paul McKenna or being chased through a desolate waste ground by zombies.

I assume the guy involved has allowed it to be showed, so he obviously didn't mind it too much.
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Your right for sure, I've not seen the two before this one but they sound good.

I like the silly and fun stuff...dunno, guess I'm just uninterested in watching humans suffer even if it is not going to be remembered by the victim.... We may as well bring back public hanging, pretty much the same audience...Ok im being a little dramatic yes. ;)
 
wippers said:
I'm not a fan of hypnosis and very sceptical about whether you can actually just put
a guy to "sleep" by means of a quick touch. From that point on, it was all a bit of a joke for me.
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I believe it can be done, the guy I knew wasn't quite there during the interval , like he was slightly dozy

He'd been programmed with a trigger word to get him back on the stage

It was let's have a party

He was in the 4th row, as soon as he heard party he jumped up and climbed over all 3 rows of seats at speed

By the look of surprise on the hypnotists face he definitely wasn't expecting that :lol:
 
Surely to get him to go to sleep he must have hypnotised him at some point beforehand, so when did that happen? And if he had hypnotised him before could he not have told him to believe that the apocalypse was coming without all that stuff leading up to it - fake websites, news reports, etc?

Brown said they had checked that he was psychologically strong enough to take it, but how can they be sure he doesn't suffer some time in the future?
 
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f1charlie said:
Surely to get him to go to sleep he must have hypnotised him at some point beforehand, so when did that happen?
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i was thinking that at some point in the pre-selection he may have been pre-programmed if you like?

otherwise i thought it was very good. if the guy can turn his life around after this then why not..
 
Never been a fan of his, all smoke and mirrors with paid actors just like that Dynamo bloke too!. :thumbsdown:
 
Sony_SoFar said:
:suspect::shrug:

How did he predict the lottery then...:gag::thinking:
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Just google it sucker :D Why did he not buy himself a ticket and fill it in beforehand :thinking:
 
cant wait for the next part on friday. prety messed up, but compelling to watch!
 
not-a-king said:
cant wait for the next part on friday. prety messed up, but compelling to watch!
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Why dont you give Derren a call, he might be able to predict what happens in it :thinking: :D
 
While it was entertaining, there's a couple of things that don't sit right with me about Apocalypse.

Firstly the main guy is an actor, I'm not saying he's acting in this, but it makes you think. Also even though the young girl told him her name was Leona, he shouts "Katie, run" to her on on occasion.

I'm not saying its fake or not, and no-one can honestly predict how you would react in that situation, but I am sceptical by nature when it comes to anything like this, especially things that are aimed at a TV audience.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
While it was entertaining, there's a couple of things that don't sit right with me about Apocalypse.

Firstly the main guy is an actor, I'm not saying he's acting in this, but it makes you think. Also even though the young girl told him her name was Leona, he shouts "Katie, run" to her on on occasion.

I'm not saying its fake or not, and no-one can honestly predict how you would react in that situation, but I am sceptical by nature when it comes to anything like this, especially things that are aimed at a TV audience.
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How do you know he is an actor? Cos the paper said he was listed on a acting agency website?

So I'm I. I'm not an actor.
 
If you have ever been involved in anything to do with Derren and then strange things start to happen why wouldn't you be immediately suspicious?! Where do they find these gullible fools from?

When did he refer to the girl as Katie not Leona? If he really did I cannot imagine how that would end up in a final edit. Mr Brown is nothing if not meticulous.
 
srichards said:
If you have ever been involved in anything to do with Derren and then strange things start to happen why wouldn't you be immediately suspicious?! Where do they find these gullible fools from?

When did he refer to the girl as Katie not Leona? If he really did I cannot imagine how that would end up in a final edit. Mr Brown is nothing if not meticulous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CSmp5LfxE

Here at 35:53 you can hear him say it.

Like I said I'm not necessarily calling fake on this, but I'm generally a pretty hardcore sceptic until proven otherwise!
 
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It's a weird one that, as he's been told she's called Leona, and the actress's name is Jordan (should you go down the stooge path).

The inclusion of this would suggest that it's not a mistake in Derren's planning, just Steve acting oddly.

If you have ever been involved in anything to do with Derren and then strange things start to happen why wouldn't you be immediately suspicious?! Where do they find these gullible fools from?
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An advert went out on Twitter looking for volunteers. After being screened, Steve was told he hadn't been selected. As there would have been many others that weren't successful (I know someone who applied for the Russian Roulette stunt but wasn't selected), this isn't unfeasable.

By this point though, the early stages of the influence would have been underway.
 
It definitely sounded like 'Katie'. That's odd. The subtitles say 'quick' instead. Perhaps he said 'quickly, run' but it was just mumbled and sounds like Katie??
 
His multiple chess game against all those Grand Masters (or whatever level they were) was very good.

Nothing fancy, no tricks, just a simple method that made complete sense in hindsight.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CSmp5LfxE

Here at 35:53 you can hear him say it.

Like I said I'm not necessarily calling fake on this, but I'm generally a pretty hardcore sceptic until proven otherwise!
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I quite often forget people's names and call them something completely different.. I do it when chilled out and relaxed, I hate to think how I'd be after just waking up from the world ending and only meeting the girl a few hours before, then coming face to face with a load of infected mutant zombie people...

I think he can be forgiven for getting a name wrong!!
 
I'm a big fan of Derren Brown but not seen this his latest show - will watch it on demand tonight! Admittedly when you see some of the stunts you don't believe them as they just don't seem real. However, I do like his live shows and I saw him at a live show during his Svenlagi tour in Glasgow; it was just mind boggling. Everything was centred around audience participation. He managed to control half of the room with his mind tricks. If you haven't seen it I would recommend watching it if you can (think it was on 4OD but not sure anymore).
 
I can't wait to watch the next episode.

I can't help feeling sorry for the poor bloke though lol
 
i watched it, but gave up after about 30 minutes.

what put me off Derren Brown was that dreadful Lottery trick he did a couple of years back.

Not so much the trick itself, but the explanation programme about "how he did it" where he claimed to use some deep mathematical formula seeded by specially selected people.

it was pretty clear the Lottery trick was done with some CG magic or camera trickery, the fact that the "how he did it" film was a load of smoke and mirrors to hide this fact made me feel like he was taking the p1ss and insulting my intelligence. I felt conned and let down by it. I would have had more respect for the guy if he told us the truth. It was a clever trick in itself and would have been no way possible, even a few years ago.

but back to Apocalypse, I can't help but think that this programme is just one great big wheeze and the joke is on us the audience for believing it rather than the subject of the programme.
 
It's essentially an elaborate edition of Beadle's About, isn't it?
 
I gave it a look on the strength of this thread.
Sorry...it's horse poop.
But good luck to him if he's making a fortune from people's gullability.
 
Either way if he was acting it was certainly better acting than the girl he met in the hospital.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
While it was entertaining, there's a couple of things that don't sit right with me about Apocalypse.

Firstly the main guy is an actor, I'm not saying he's acting in this, but it makes you think. Also even though the young girl told him her name was Leona, he shouts "Katie, run" to her on on occasion.

I'm not saying its fake or not, and no-one can honestly predict how you would react in that situation, but I am sceptical by nature when it comes to anything like this, especially things that are aimed at a TV audience.
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I watched it and while I enjoyed it, the program was riddled with holes.

First off there's the phone hacking/computer hacking to deliver fake articles. Fine... if you only read the BBC. I use all kinds of news sources, and I'd expect anyone else to do the same in an incident like that, instead of just reading one news site all the time and taking it as gospel.

The van not starting up wouldn't fly with me as I know a thing or two about mechanics and would know that the whole "static in the air" thing would be a far cry at best. If the van wasn't working, why were other cars on the street... and other machines that Derren hadn't thought of tampering with, for instance.

Then there's the other little things, like when he walked into the shop and the guy behind the counter just happens to turn the radio up as a news broadcast came on about the impending doom.

And not to mention the nuances after he woke up in the hospital. The static on the TV was obviously dramatised and didn't seem real at all. Zombies is an overdone idea. And the one that really stuck out to me... the Scottish guy just happened to have an ambulance to hand, but not any ambulance, an old P reg LDV ambulance! I haven't seen an LDV van be used as an ambulance for years, nor do emergency service vehicles ever get that old and stay in service, so where exactly did he get it? The vehicle is obviously a prop from elsewhere, because it would be impractical to use a real ambulance, but it still lacks the realism.

There's a whole ream of other things too, either I'm too perceptive for my own good, or the test subject is an idiot or it's all staged, or both.

Some of Derren Brown's stuff is good, like his recent program on Channel 4 where he wrapped it all up by subliminally making people choose page 14 of the Daily Mail for the answer; but towards the end of Apocalypse I couldn't help but think it was just pap.
 
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lots of bad acting.. and the worst actor is the main guy!
but the thing about Derren Brown is that he always pretty much tells everyone these things are a trick, and so does his cohort (forgotten his name).
The fake websites and news stories are particularly far fetched.
When they said they took the starter motor fuse out of the van, it was a bit odd that the engine turned over a few times (cant do that without a starter motor fuse)

but, like Top Gear, once you realise its not to be taken seriously, you can sit back and enjoy..
 
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