Dental implants - any words of wisdom (see what I did there..?)

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Anyone here know anything about implants - what to think about before having some, what difference they have made to your day-to-day life and how the whole process works ?

I have been loosing teeth for many years, partly through a succession of what I think were bad dentists, bad luck (injury and accidents) and bad living (don't ask..) and a couple of years ago I had to have a plate which is not a pleasant thing, and the teeth-in-a-glass by the bedside is not a thing of beauty.
Aging Mum has suggested that she would like to see me with teeth rather than think that I may get them done after she dies so has a little money aside to contribute to the cost, and I'll be making up the rest.
I have heard about people going to Hungary to get it done at way lower cost, so if you know about that then again, please let me know - Thanks !
 
Dental implants - any words of wisdom (see what I did there..?)
Yes, your pulling the other one. ;)
 
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I don't have any personal info but Mrs Tringa had three implants done last year at Perfect Profiles in Houghton Regis near Dunstable(they have another centre at Wolverhampton). It was done over a few months and took a few visits but she is very pleased with the result at a price a good bit below what the local dentisit quoted.



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I don't have any personal info but Mrs Tringa had three implants done last year at Perfect Profiles in Houghton Regis near Dunstable(they have another centre at Wolverhampton). It was done over a few months and took a few visits but she is very pleased with the result at a price a good bit below what the local dentisit quoted.



Dave

Thanks Dave - Dunstable is a fair way from me, and Wolverhampton even further, but I'll take a look into Perfect Profiles.
 
My missus is a dentist and they do implants, can get very expensive and depends very much on your bone density etc in the gums.
 
There is an advert on local radio up here is Scotland for somebody called Michael Kelly cosmetic dentistry and apparently they have branches nationwide. Luckily though i've never had to use them but if i lost my teeth and i had the money i'd definitely go for it. I think someones smile is the first thing you notice unless of course they're Lola Ferrari !!
 
I've had three dental implants and they're great, after a while you accept them as your own, natural teeth. I would hesitate to go abroad myself as the propensity for things to go wrong is fairly high I think.

I guess like many things, you get what you pay for, choose a good, reputable dentist would be my advice.
 
I was looking into this a year or so back, I think then it was about £500 per tooth.
 
I was looking into this a year or so back, I think then it was about £500 per tooth.
That's a right rip off considering the tooth fairy only used to leave 1 shilling for a tooth or half a crown for a "double tooth" talk about inflation :(
 
One of my friends is one of Scotland's leading dental implant specialists, and gets patients referred to him from all over the country. His practice is in Dundee. Getting the job done properly to the highest standard isn't cheap and I think you are looking at upwards of £1k per tooth depending on what is needed.
 
Had one over 10 years ago and it was circa £2000 (with bone grafting material) - £500 per tooth......maybe in Hungary
It's expensive but well worth it.
 
The most expensive element in my procedure was having the porcelain crowns made to fit the implants. One implant and two crowns bridged together and all associated treatment cost about £3,500 IIRC. (Cheltenham)

Many dentists won't go ahead if you're a smoker or will at least urge you to give up for a period of time but if the implant fails and you have to have bone grafts and so on and you have been smoking, the insurance won't pay up.
 
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I took a look at the Perfect Profiles website as mentioned by Tringa and they give a price of £680 per tooth plus whatever other work needs doing, so clearly I need to think of starting at about a grand upwards per tooth.
My local dentist seems to be one of the better Cornish practises and I am booked in for an initial assessment in a couple of weeks.

Obviously it has to be worth getting done well, and while I mentioned going abroad, I think I would rather it was nearer than farther just in case of problems.
Having already had several crowns, bridges and caps I know how easy is it to get used to them, and anyone who has ever had or still has a plate will know just how unpleasant they are.
Might just splash out on a lottery ticket tonight if they may end up closer to £2000 per tooth..

Thanks for all the replies so far - much appreciated !
 
Just asked my missus on text and she says 1k each pretty much is a good figure to go on.
she also said depends on gum conditions and did mention smoking big no no.
 
I think you also have to consider the underlying reasons why you lost your own teeth. A good dentist shouldn't just go ahead and do the work without addressing your overall oral health, gum disease leading to erosion of the bone being the main reason of course. I'm sure your Cornwall dentist will take all this into consideration but keep in mind the implants are but one aspect of any overall treatment I think.

I went only yesterday to my (implant) dentist for a routine check and, after having problems with my teeth for years (and subsequently giving up smoking etc) everything is fine now and I consider the implants to be money well spent. It's been about four years since I first embarked on the implant trail, good luck.
 
Again, many thanks for all the help. I stopped smoking about 20 years ago so that shouldn't be a problem. As for my general oral health, my problems started when I passed out, landing on my jaw, which resulted in my lower teeth wrecking my uppers and doing themselves in at the same time. Extensive repairs done badly has meant a lifetime of ulcers and infections(as I write I am in my dentist waiting room with another) and many teeth being removed.. I just have to hope that there is enough jaw left to fix to, and that my numbers come up tonight!
 
I've got 2. I had them done at Pittville Lawn in Cheltenham. Excellent service.
You have all the drilling done and the implants put in and then you'll have to wait several weeks for them to bed in before they fit the tooth on.
 
I've got an upper plate (partial, 9 gnashers) and get on fine with it. The gradual bone density reduction caused (as I understand it) by the bone no longer carrying the stresses directly from the teeth to the jaw means that it will need relining at some point in the not-too-distant future. The onlt thing that gives me trouble is the first bite into a crispy apple - so I eat them in slices now! Corn on the cob took practise but presents no real problems. Considered implants but decided on a nice car instead - at a similar cost.
 
I've got an upper plate (partial, 9 gnashers) and get on fine with it. The gradual bone density reduction caused (as I understand it) by the bone no longer carrying the stresses directly from the teeth to the jaw means that it will need relining at some point in the not-too-distant future. The onlt thing that gives me trouble is the first bite into a crispy apple - so I eat them in slices now! Corn on the cob took practise but presents no real problems. Considered implants but decided on a nice car instead - at a similar cost.

I've got 6 on mine, and many of my remaining teeth are caps or crowns. I HATE having this lump of plastic covering half of the top of my mouth, find it takes away a lot of the pleasure of eating, and while it fits better now as it has been relined it is still the one thing I would change about my physical self given the money, and that brings me on to your other point - I too would like a nice car but Mum isn't offering to contribute towards one of them..
 
Just make sure the dentist has a good reputation & the teeth look natural.

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That IS natural for Congleton and Crewe... :D
 
There's a few questions to ask yourself regarding implants:
What was the original reason of the loss of teeth? Do you have any active gum disease?
I don't know your specific details, but it's rare that the loss of a large number of teeth is caused by a single event or traumatic event alone. The problem is a lot of patients do not know the real reason why they have lost their teeth - either because the dentist hasn't bothered really explaining the condition (common amongst time strapped NHS dentists) or that patient refuses to accept the cause of the loss of their teeth was ultimately their own (common amongst people that think the dentist is fobbing them off or don't like being 'told off' for inadequate cleaning- the reason usually being gum disease - which is the result of inadequately cleaning your teeth and gums loosens teeth, or tooth decay, if you're a chronic snacker / drink a lot of sweet drinks or graze a lot) . If the original issue isn't addressed, then implants will not work either. Implants are held in by the bone and gums that hold in your normal teeth so if you have gum disease, then your implants will fall out too.

The cost of an implant, certainly in the Yorkshire region, is around £2-2500 per implant with the crown. Some dentists will try and make the price more appealing by quoting £1000, but that would just be the surgical aspect of the implant (the titanium rod itself). After 3-6 months this needs to have a crown (single tooth) or bridge (multiple teeth) cemented on top of it which will make it up to £2000. Depending on what you've got left, it isn't necessarily a case of you need an implant for every single tooth gap. If you've got a single gap, then a single implant is the way to go. If you have a large gap, then you be able to have 2 implants and a bridge. If you have no upper teeth, then 4 implants with a denture or bridge may be possible. It starts to get expensive when you have sound teeth breaking up the gaps as then you will need implants on each side of the sound teeth and some dentists may recommend to get rid of any poor prognosis teeth and recommend full implants on the top.

Be careful when selecting dentists that place your implants. Word of mouth certainly will tell you how NICE a dentist is, but it certainly doesn't tell you how good they are. If you want implants, I'd recommend asking your dentist for a recommendation to where to go. Most should know somewhere pretty reasonable. I wouldn't just look it up at google - you'll find the one with the nicest websites, but not necessarily anyone any good. Just in the same way I wouldn't know what makes a good electrician or plumber, the public will not know a good implant dentist. Ask someone in the profession for a recommendation.

Are you an NHS or Private patient? If your check up is a 5 minute in and out job, there may well be several un addressed issues that need fixing far before considering implants. I have some issues with NHS dentists that I feel a majority do not spend enough time looking or explaining problems - I would recommend a private dentist as with anything in life you get what you pay for. Again not to put a downer on the issue but there are some terrible private dentists as well, a private fee is no guarantee of quality.

Implants are being a bit of a fad where there is no specialist training or exam required as such to place them - this may be introduced in future but certainly isn't the case currently. If someone has a masters degree in implantology that is a great sign but strictly speaking someone could have done a weekend course and be providing implants so you have to be aware of this.

In regards to 'dental tourism' - no dentist in the UK would recommend this. It's not a case of being 'jealous' that you're taking your business elsewhere where they can undercut our prices - the after care you need can be substantial if things go wrong - implants can get infected, painful, loose, and you really want someone local. Even referring someone to have implants on the other side of the country is difficult - we've had many a patient turn up who decided to go somewhere 'cheaper' and we then face difficulty as general dentists in knowing how to deal with their implant related problems.

From the sounds of your problems I'd strongly recommend getting all your crowns investigated if you decide to invest in any implants - most private dentists would be happy to do this - NHS not so much sadly. Getting recurrent infections (and the fact you have numerous crowns) suggests that you have underlying problems. This may well factor into the overall plan if you decide to get implants as you may decide that you'd prefer to get these poor condition teeth extracted. But like I said before, you need to make sure all your problems (gum disease being the main one, and then tooth decay) have been addressed. If you don't already go and see a dental hygienist, then please ask. Most implantologists will refuse to see patients if the hygienist hasn't cleared them first so this is a great step to make sure your gums are in check. If the hygienist does not recommend interdental brushes (and does not demonstrate them to you in your mouth) , doesn't do a pocket chart, and doesn't use an ultrasonic scaler, find someone else.

Feel free to PM if you wish.
 
There's a few questions to ask yourself regarding implants:
What was the original reason of the loss of teeth? Do you have any active gum disease?
I don't know your specific details, but it's rare that the loss of a large number of teeth is caused by a single event or traumatic event alone. The problem is a lot of patients do not know the real reason why they have lost their teeth - either because the dentist hasn't bothered really explaining the condition (common amongst time strapped NHS dentists) or that patient refuses to accept the cause of the loss of their teeth was ultimately their own (common amongst people that think the dentist is fobbing them off or don't like being 'told off' for inadequate cleaning- the reason usually being gum disease - which is the result of inadequately cleaning your teeth and gums loosens teeth, or tooth decay, if you're a chronic snacker / drink a lot of sweet drinks or graze a lot) . If the original issue isn't addressed, then implants will not work either. Implants are held in by the bone and gums that hold in your normal teeth so if you have gum disease, then your implants will fall out too.

The cost of an implant, certainly in the Yorkshire region, is around £2-2500 per implant with the crown. Some dentists will try and make the price more appealing by quoting £1000, but that would just be the surgical aspect of the implant (the titanium rod itself). After 3-6 months this needs to have a crown (single tooth) or bridge (multiple teeth) cemented on top of it which will make it up to £2000. Depending on what you've got left, it isn't necessarily a case of you need an implant for every single tooth gap. If you've got a single gap, then a single implant is the way to go. If you have a large gap, then you be able to have 2 implants and a bridge. If you have no upper teeth, then 4 implants with a denture or bridge may be possible. It starts to get expensive when you have sound teeth breaking up the gaps as then you will need implants on each side of the sound teeth and some dentists may recommend to get rid of any poor prognosis teeth and recommend full implants on the top.

Be careful when selecting dentists that place your implants. Word of mouth certainly will tell you how NICE a dentist is, but it certainly doesn't tell you how good they are. If you want implants, I'd recommend asking your dentist for a recommendation to where to go. Most should know somewhere pretty reasonable. I wouldn't just look it up at google - you'll find the one with the nicest websites, but not necessarily anyone any good. Just in the same way I wouldn't know what makes a good electrician or plumber, the public will not know a good implant dentist. Ask someone in the profession for a recommendation.

Are you an NHS or Private patient? If your check up is a 5 minute in and out job, there may well be several un addressed issues that need fixing far before considering implants. I have some issues with NHS dentists that I feel a majority do not spend enough time looking or explaining problems - I would recommend a private dentist as with anything in life you get what you pay for. Again not to put a downer on the issue but there are some terrible private dentists as well, a private fee is no guarantee of quality.

Implants are being a bit of a fad where there is no specialist training or exam required as such to place them - this may be introduced in future but certainly isn't the case currently. If someone has a masters degree in implantology that is a great sign but strictly speaking someone could have done a weekend course and be providing implants so you have to be aware of this.

In regards to 'dental tourism' - no dentist in the UK would recommend this. It's not a case of being 'jealous' that you're taking your business elsewhere where they can undercut our prices - the after care you need can be substantial if things go wrong - implants can get infected, painful, loose, and you really want someone local. Even referring someone to have implants on the other side of the country is difficult - we've had many a patient turn up who decided to go somewhere 'cheaper' and we then face difficulty as general dentists in knowing how to deal with their implant related problems.

From the sounds of your problems I'd strongly recommend getting all your crowns investigated if you decide to invest in any implants - most private dentists would be happy to do this - NHS not so much sadly. Getting recurrent infections (and the fact you have numerous crowns) suggests that you have underlying problems. This may well factor into the overall plan if you decide to get implants as you may decide that you'd prefer to get these poor condition teeth extracted. But like I said before, you need to make sure all your problems (gum disease being the main one, and then tooth decay) have been addressed. If you don't already go and see a dental hygienist, then please ask. Most implantologists will refuse to see patients if the hygienist hasn't cleared them first so this is a great step to make sure your gums are in check. If the hygienist does not recommend interdental brushes (and does not demonstrate them to you in your mouth) , doesn't do a pocket chart, and doesn't use an ultrasonic scaler, find someone else.

Feel free to PM if you wish.

Thank you for such a full and in depth reply Cheng - I will PM you tomorrow when I can think straight as it's been a long weekend.
Very much appreciated !
 
Mrs Blue is nearing the final stage of getting one done. At a cost of a smudge over £2k - but that's Cheltenham for you.
 
Mrs Blue is nearing the final stage of getting one done. At a cost of a smudge over £2k - but that's Cheltenham for you.

It may well be Cheltenham, but from what I am finding out, it doesn't seem too expensive for a decent job, which I hope it is !

I would like to say a big Thank You to Cheng who has sent me a few informative, detailed and very helpful PM's, and I now feel better able to make a start in choosing who to get to do my work.

Time for the fun to begin....
 
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