Dell U2715H

[Livin The Dream]

Is this the replacement for the U2713HM?

Finally going to get a new screen and these seem more widely available at about £100 less. Can't see the spec is much different or have I missed something?

 

[Pookeyhead]

It's not a replacement no.

It's 25" vs. the 27 inches of the U2713.

The U2713 s wide gamut whereas this is standard gamut (99% of sRGB).

25" is a little small for 1440P IMO as well.

Save a little longer, and get the U2713HM

 

[Livin The Dream]

Are you sure David, it's this one (definitely the 27")

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2715h.htm

 

[wyx087]

I'd trust TFTcentral, they are my main source of monitor reviews. This U2715H looks great.

 

[Mikesphotaes]

Dell normally use the first two numbers to indicate screen size so I think the Pookey fella got mixed up.

 

[Livin The Dream]

I think David has missed something fellas as he's generally the authority on such subjects

 

[Pookeyhead]

Sorry.. just misread. There is a U2515H... just read it lazily too soon after getting out of bed

Everything else I wrote applies though... this is not a replacement for the 2713H or HM. It's a sRGB gamut panel. Never used it, but it looks solid enough on paper, but I hate to comment on stuff I've not actually used.

I'd still put my money into the U2713HM though.

 

[Livin The Dream]

What's the difference on the gamut, they both state 99% sRGB?

Will have to snap up the older version quickly if I'm going to get one as there doesn't appear as many around. There's refurbed versions in fleabay but about 500 on Amazon.

And what is the difference between the H and HM models? The latter used to be £100 cheaper but is priced the same at £525?

 

[Pookeyhead]

What's the difference on the gamut, they both state 99% sRGB?

Depends if you're talking about the H or HM version I suppose.. You mentined the U2715 being £100 cheaper... and as it's over £400 I just assumed you meant the H version of the U2713... not HM.

The H is a true Adobe RGB monitor. There's not really a great deal of difference in the two prices these days... maybe £60 if you shop around. The HM version is, according to Dell 73% Adobe RGB.. I measured it at 82% Adobe RGB... so not as wide as the H, but significantly wider gamut than sRGB. I measured the H at 99% Adobe RGB. It's difficult to get a truly objective figure half the time, even from somewhere like TFT Central, as no one is clear about their testing methodology. I test to ISO12464 spec... I suspect many do not. I'd actually class the HM as a wide gamut screen.. technically. The H however is a definitely a full blown wide gamut screen.

Will have to snap up the older version quickly if I'm going to get one as there doesn't appear as many around. There's refurbed versions in fleabay but about 500 on Amazon.

Technically it's end of line now so far as I know... there should still be plenty of stock floating around though. I don't actually recall reading anything that says it's actually ended production... although I could be wrong... I don't sit here scouring the web for such news . Dabs still have the H Listed at £559.. bit pricey that though. NRG-IT on Ebay (very well known for selling refurbs.. excellent reputation - free on-site 3 year warranty! ) knocks them out for £420ish... and that's for the H version.

And what is the difference between the H and HM models? The latter used to be £100 cheaper but is priced the same at £525?

The U2713H can be hardware profiled with a i1 Pro.. meaning you're loading the profile directly into the monitor's LUT instead of the graphics card's. As the Monitor's LUT uis 14bit as opposed to the card's 8bit, gradients are smoother, and clours more accurate. The HM can only be software profiled.. meaning you're loading the profile into the graphics card.. not the monitor.

The HM is narrower gamut, but as above... seems to comfortably exceed sRGB when tested here.... not full Adobe RGB, but impressive nonetheless.


sRGB isn't actually a limitation. Anyone who doesn't really pay that much attention to colour workflow is probably better off with a sRGB gamut screen anyway.

In all honesty, I can only assume the new U2715 is a superb screen... but as the price is over £400, I'd be tempted to look for some end of line offers for the U2713... pick up a bargain.. especially if you can get a cheap H version, or a refurb from NRG-IT

The reason I suggest the U2715 is not a replacement is that according to the Dell website, it's not carrying the "premier color" blurb in it's description, and it's not wide gamut. I'd be willing to bet a large amount there's another wide gamut 1440p screen coming out soon.

I'd have no worry about buying an end of line product. In fact, when learned that Eizo were stopping production of high end 16:10 screens I scoured as many places as I could to get my hands on the CG303W... which is the last of their 30" 16:10 ColorEdge screens.

 

[Livin The Dream]

Thanks again David I have just placed an order for an H with NRG, £430. I'm not too bothered if there's a few minor cosmetic niggles.

I have a Display Pro so should be able to calibrate properly easy enough.

 

[boliston]

Sorry.. just misread. There is a U2515H... just read it lazily too soon after getting out of bed

Everything else I wrote applies though... this is not a replacement for the 2713H or HM. It's a sRGB gamut panel. Never used it, but it looks solid enough on paper, but I hate to comment on stuff I've not actually used.

I'd still put my money into the U2713HM though.

The U2715H definitely replaces the U2713HM - I have been using the U2713HM for 15 months and my OH has just got a U2715H - They are essentially the same monitor but with a few "modernisations":
Much thinner bezel - the whole also thing just seems a lot slimmer and seems smaller even though the actual panels are the same size.
They have got rid of the legacy "thumb screw" type connectors (DVI & D-sub) leaving the more up to date Displayport and Mini-displayport (and HDMI which I guess people might use to plug it into a dvd player, but can't see any other use for it)
Seems a bit brighter by default although this can be easily controlled - the OSD menu is similar and both have the ability to adjust RGB channels independently instead of having to use the stupid "preset" modes like "movie" "text" "gaming" etc modes.
Both screens avoid the dreaded PWM dimming which can cause flicker and eye strain at lower brightness levels.

 

[Pookeyhead]

The U2715H definitely replaces the U2713HM - I have been using the U2713HM for 15 months and my OH has just got a U2715H - They are essentially the same monitor but with a few "modernisations":
Much thinner bezel - the whole also thing just seems a lot slimmer and seems smaller even though the actual panels are the same size.
They have got rid of the legacy "thumb screw" type connectors (DVI & D-sub) leaving the more up to date Displayport and Mini-displayport (and HDMI which I guess people might use to plug it into a dvd player, but can't see any other use for it)
Seems a bit brighter by default although this can be easily controlled - the OSD menu is similar and both have the ability to adjust RGB channels independently instead of having to use the stupid "preset" modes like "movie" "text" "gaming" etc modes.
Both screens avoid the dreaded PWM dimming which can cause flicker and eye strain at lower brightness levels.

Appreciate all that... but they've not got a Hardware calibratable Wide gamut equivalent. The lack of "premier color" tag for the U2715H, and lack ability to be hardware calibrated suggests there's something in the pipeline. It makes no sense to retain the U2713H as the flagship 27" 1440P screen and give the new "neo-blade" design to a lesser screen.


It's not a replacement because Dell actually have no plans that I'm aware of to replace the U2713H just yet. So far as I can tell it continues to be available alongside the U2715H.... but...

If this is a replacement, the only thing it could possibly be replacing is the U2713HM.. which may make some sense, but... to do this without replacing the U2713H makes zero sense, so I fully expect an updated 2715 with wide gamut and programmable LUT before too long. However, they can no longer call that the "H" version either, so I strongly suspect a completely new model is imminent to fill the gap once they withdraw the ageing U2713H: They can't keep selling it forever... and they can't leave a gap between the U2715H and the UP2715K, as that's a £1000 price gap... so a new screen WILL be coming.. bet on it.


It looks like a fantastic screen though either way... lovely looking thing. I'd just not be buying one when I could get a fully refurbed U2713H with 3 year on-site swap out warranty for £420.

 

[wyx087]

It makes me wonder, what have Dell done to reduce the '15H price by more than 25% of '13HM?

U2713H for £420 is very tempting, how much can I fetch for a 2013 warranty replacement U2711?

 

[boliston]

It makes me wonder, what have Dell done to reduce the '15H price by more than 25% of '13HM?

U2713H for £420 is very tempting, how much can I fetch for a 2013 warranty replacement U2711?

They are both about the same price, just over £400 although the 2013 model is discontinued so might be hard to get "new"

 

[wyx087]

Ah yes, I made the Pookie-mistake, searching Dell U2715H actually returns Dabs selling Dell U2515H for £250.

 

[Pookeyhead]

They are both about the same price, just over £400 although the 2013 model is discontinued so might be hard to get "new"

Only the HM is discontinued... just thought I'd make that clear as there's always confusion between the two.

 

[Livin The Dream]

Well i've set it up and it's just great. There were a couple of small little scuff marks on the bezel but really can't see them unless you look up close. Very please so far and much better than my old very aged Dell screen.

 

[Livin The Dream]

Hmmmmm, I may have missed a significant point. I'm trying to get my head around LUT calibration and it appears there's no support for OS X? I have a mini mac and was hoping this would work ok.

Just reading a few various conflicting reports, one or two say that there is support, does anyone know for certain?

 

[Livin The Dream]

So I have had a good read up and tried a workaround. Essentially I have used my windows based laptop to hardware calibrate the monitor and sent the icc profile to the Mac. Checked the profile with dispcalgui and it seems to have done the trick, the curve profile is totally flat and there is a significant difference between it and the software profile.

Question is: if the monitor is calibrated now how often should it be recalibrated in this format?

 

[Pookeyhead]

Hmmmmm, I may have missed a significant point. I'm trying to get my head around LUT calibration and it appears there's no support for OS X? I have a mini mac and was hoping this would work ok.

Just reading a few various conflicting reports, one or two say that there is support, does anyone know for certain?

You can only hardware profile using Dell's own software, which as far as I know, is only currently available on the PC. But as you've already found out, you can plug the monitor into a PC, hardware profile it, then then use that .ICM profile on the Mac. As the profile is for the monitor, and not the graphics card LUT, this is fine.

So I have had a good read up and tried a workaround. Essentially I have used my windows based laptop to hardware calibrate the monitor and sent the icc profile to the Mac. Checked the profile with dispcalgui and it seems to have done the trick, the curve profile is totally flat and there is a significant difference between it and the software profile.

Question is: if the monitor is calibrated now how often should it be recalibrated in this format?

I calibrate once every 200 hours use. As a rough guide... once a month. Ensure the screen has been on for at least 30 minutes, so switch off screen savers that put the monitor in standby etc. Calibrating when cold is a bad mistake... there's a significant change in gamut and luminance from cold to warm.

So it may be a bit of a faff being a Mac user. I wish I knew you were a Mac user earlier on in the thread, I could have forewarned you about this. I had no idea though, as Mac users are usually convinced that Mac screens are the best in the universe though, so rarely seem interested in anything else.

Worth a little faff once a month though to keep it in shape. Who knows... it may even convince you get a proper computer

 

[Livin The Dream]

Thanks David.

PC vs Mac is quite subjective. I have been a PC user all my life until a couple of years ago. Fact is, macs just maintain their speed and don't get clogged up, for longer. Pc's last about 3 years generally, the Mac is definitely quicker in raw processing power. The processor and speed is similar to my old system but it handles everything you can throw at it, which is all down to the OS, windows is lame in comparison. Anyway, that's my view but it's a little like canon vs nikon, both will do the job. Luckily I have my works laptop which is windows based and just had a new version so that is quite quick at the moment.

What I find interesting is that many of these top end photographers seem to use OSX but with reference screens, it's not ideal if you want to hardware profile them?

 

[Tony101]

You can only hardware profile using Dell's own software, which as far as I know, is only currently available on the PC.

Damn! I wasn't aware of this. I was looking to update my monitor sometime in the near future with one of these, to enable me to implement economical hardware profiling. I guess that saves me some money then.

Mac users are usually convinced that Mac screens are the best in the universe though

I appreciate you added a smilie - but...grrrrrrr! (I wish forums would grow up and rise above all this Mac/PC, Canon/Nikon, DSLR/CSC etc. b*****ks.)
I abhor the glossy screens. In an ideal world I'd have a 27" iMac without the screen - I want something more than a Mini and I can't justify a Pro and I most certainly don't want a PC, so I'm kinda stuck!

David, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge about screens etc. - thank you.

 

[Pookeyhead]

Damn! I wasn't aware of this. I was looking to update my monitor sometime in the near future with one of these, to enable me to implement economical hardware profiling. I guess that saves me some money then.

I've mentind it in many other posts about the Dell profiling software and the range of Dell monitors that can be hardware profiled.

I appreciate you added a smilie - but...grrrrrrr! (I wish forums would grow up and rise above all this Mac/PC, Canon/Nikon, DSLR/CSC etc. b*****ks.)

Dude.. the point of a smiley is that it was a joke. I use both Macs and PCs.

David, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge about screens etc. - thank you.

You're welcome. I probably should mention the Dell software in EVERY post though. Not everyone uses the forum search function. It's not the end of the world though if you have access to a PC as well (see post #20)

 

[Pookeyhead]

What I find interesting is that many of these top end photographers seem to use OSX but with reference screens, it's not ideal if you want to hardware profile them?

Only the Dell screens insist on their own software that's PC specific. I use an Eizo screen, and while I use ColorNavigator (Eizo software) it is available on PC and Mac, as is the NEC software for their Reference series screens. Both Eizo ColorEdge and NEC Reference screens are hideously expensive compared to the Dell alternatives though.

 

[Pookeyhead]

Fact is, macs just maintain their speed and don't get clogged up, for longer. Pc's last about 3 years generally,

Sorry, but this is nonsense. I built this PC in 2012... it's just as fast now as it was then. PCs CAN get clogged up, but it's user error (installing crap that insists that you un-check boxes if you don't want a load of resource hogging crap installed etc). Macs can get clogged up as well if you install a load of crap that insists on running background tasks. It's a myth... like Macs don't get viruses... they can, and do.. regularly. They're both computers - install stuff that runs processes in the background and your machine will slow down whether it's a Mac, or PC.

Sorry... not starting a PC vs. Mac argument... as I said, I use both regularly. I do however want to explode this myth that Macs are somehow inviolate, and not at risk from bloat/spyware and viruses. They're not. They're just not the main target for such software. Anyone who wants to make money, or cause chaos, will always target the largest user base... which is the PC. It's as simple as that. Using PCs just requires more care. I always recommend Macs to those who have no interest in computers, or I suspect would just fill up a PC with crap once they go on a clickfest. Macs are just less likely to run into issues due to misuse.

Saying things like "PCs will sow down" is just pure nonsense though If you doubt me, I'd be more than happy to put my almost 4 year old PC up against any Mac you care to mention to test the theory

A more useful piece of advice would be "PCs will slow down if you're an idiot that just clicks on everything without thinking, and installs stuff without reading the small print on the install dialogues... or browse porn and warez sites without taking adequate precautions."

 

[Livin The Dream]

I'm not going to disagree and argue with much of that David the clogging is usually down to crap that's running in the background.