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At risk of becoming even more confused....here goes.

Some of you will be sick of me by now, hopefully this is nearing its conclusion :LOL::LOL:.

I NEED to make a decision.....but I really am torn here.

Background:

Had the 7d, but after a while I fancied FF for landscape and wanted a compact kit so went for the Sony A7. I like this but thought it was very slow in operation and ergonomics weren't great. Fancied seeing what the Fuji hype was about so got the X-T2 (absolutely love this, apart from its integration with LR) so I have sold it.

Now, here are my options and lenses:

A7II + 28-70mm kit - New UK stock + (used) 16-35mm + (used) adapted Canon 70-200 F4 + probably Samyang 35mm 2.8 + (may add the 55mm 1.8 at some point)

D750 + 24-120mm kit - New Panamoz + (used) 35mm 1.8 + (at some point used 20mm)

Here's what I like about them:

A7II - light, versatile, option to use vintage glass, IBIS, EVF, Focus peaking, ergonomics, would get me shooting more, with the glass above effective focal range of 16-200, video options

D750 - My ultimate 'do it all', wedding ready, good low light, ergonomics, with the glass above effective focal range of 20-120

Here's what I don't like:

A7II - Slowish focusing, expensive native glass

D750 - SIZE SIZE SIZE, weight, no IBIS/ cool mirrorless features, concern I would leave my camera at home sometimes due to size, video options


Heres the thing -

For what I currently shoot, the A7II is by far the best option I think, mainly landscape, cityscapes etc and some pet photography

For what I want to get into shooting in the future (Weddings) the D750 definitely has an advantage


The question is - do I buy for what I shoot now, or buy for what I want to shoot in the future? (next year or 2)

Footnote: If I was going to shoot weddings on the A7II I would add the 55mm 1.8 + 85mm 1.8
 
If I were going back to a DSLR it would be one of the Nikon units, 750 or 800 FF bodies. I know nothing about Sony, other than it's expensive. Do you really need IBIS? Most of us do fine with IS in the lens.
 
I have no idea what you should buy,but I would like to know what you mean by lack of fuji integration with LR
 
Just get a D750 it’s not that big and heavy. Maybe get a 50/1.8 as well as a “lightweight@ setup.
 
Are you shooting professionally? If not, go with the one that feels most comfortable to you and enjoy. Nobody can make the decision for you.
 
Buy what you're shooting for now. If and when you think youre good enough for weddings then buy a camera for the job. No point in "what if in the future.."
 
Have you handled both cameras? Might make a big difference.
You are a young guy and if fit weight should not matter too much.
Also, if you are looking to become a semi-pro make a business decision as to which will be the best tool for your job.
You seem to be conflating a hobby and a business.
 
If size is a problem then consider a D610/600. Not tiny, but not terribly bulky either, and smaller than the D750. Decent dynamic range, enough pixels for high image quality, long battery life, and probably half the price of a D750. Biggest weakness is that focussing is a bit crap in low light, but it's reasonably quick about it.
 
Bloody Hell. I love Fuji. Just get the D750. It’s what I’d do.
Fast accurate focus. Good lenses. Reliable results...
 
Tom Green said:
Had the 7d, but after a while I fancied FF for landscape and wanted a compact kit so went for the Sony A7. I like this but thought it was very slow in operation and ergonomics weren't great...

Footnote: If I was going to shoot weddings on the A7II I would add the 55mm 1.8 + 85mm 1.8
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What do you mean by "very slow in operation"?

Could this be a body + lens thing as speed of operation is surely a combination of the camera and the lens.

Have to say that although my A7 isn't lightening fast (unlike my MFT cameras which are very fast but a FF camera and lens is never going to be as fast as MFT and a tiny lens) with any of the AF lenses I have it doesn't strike me as being very slow in operation.
 
Peter123 said:
Have you handled both cameras? Might make a big difference.
You are a young guy and if fit weight should not matter too much.
Also, if you are looking to become a semi-pro make a business decision as to which will be the best tool for your job.
You seem to be conflating a hobby and a business.
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Yes - handled them both - like them both but 100% appreciate the size difference of the A7ii.

Weight isn't much of an issue to be honest - its the size. If I want a smaller package with the A7ii I can just stick a 35mm 2.8 on it and that would be me sorted and its barely noticeable.

But yes - couldn't have put it better myself, definitely a conflict of interests.
 
woof woof said:
What do you mean by "very slow in operation"?

Could this be a body + lens thing as speed of operation is surely a combination of the camera and the lens.

Have to say that although my A7 isn't lightening fast (unlike my MFT cameras which are very fast but a FF camera and lens is never going to be as fast as MFT and a tiny lens) with any of the AF lenses I have it doesn't strike me as being very slow in operation.
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When compared to the 7D I had before it, its slow :) IQ wise though I loved it.
 
ancient_mariner said:
If size is a problem then consider a D610/600. Not tiny, but not terribly bulky either, and smaller than the D750. Decent dynamic range, enough pixels for high image quality, long battery life, and probably half the price of a D750. Biggest weakness is that focussing is a bit crap in low light, but it's reasonably quick about it.
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Have considered that, but I am down to these two - the D750 is the only way I would go back to DSLR I think!
 
Jelster said:
If I were going back to a DSLR it would be one of the Nikon units, 750 or 800 FF bodies. I know nothing about Sony, other than it's expensive. Do you really need IBIS? Most of us do fine with IS in the lens.
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Interesting points.

They are expensive - but I think they are relatively affordable until you want an F2.8 zoom.

I mean, it would be helpful for video etc but IS in the lens is good. However, if I go Nikon - only one of the lenses I would initially get would have IS. The 35mm 1.8 wouldn't, the 20mm wouldn't.
 
Wrong lens for the A7ii, I know its cheaper as a kit but do yourself a favour and go for the 24-70 F4 at least, rather than the 28-70, far better would be to go for the 16-35 as your first lens as your primarily shooting landscapes at present.
You could always up the ante and go for a secondhand A7Rii , theres one on here for around £1300 at present, focus is fine and the eye tracking really useful for weddings etc later on.
 
magicaxeman said:
Wrong lens for the A7ii, I know its cheaper as a kit but do yourself a favour and go for the 24-70 F4 at least, rather than the 28-70, far better would be to go for the 16-35 as your first lens as your primarily shooting landscapes at present.
You could always up the ante and go for a secondhand A7Rii , theres one on here for around £1300 at present, focus is fine and the eye tracking really useful for weddings etc later on.
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16-35mm would be my main lens (did include that above) - 28-70mm would probably be sold and replaced with 55mm 1.8.

I would get that if it had dual card slots but I think the RII is overkill for my current needs and well above my budget.

I can get a brand new A7II for £800 so £500 difference is a fair chunk.
 
Tom Green said:
Interesting points.

They are expensive - but I think they are relatively affordable until you want an F2.8 zoom.

I mean, it would be helpful for video etc but IS in the lens is good. However, if I go Nikon - only one of the lenses I would initially get would have IS. The 35mm 1.8 wouldn't, the 20mm wouldn't.
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You seem very confused. Decide your budget, apply to both systems, look at lenses..... Not a bunch of random lenses... what you'll actually use.
 
Hang on.... a new d750 and 24120 is 1500, a 35 is 450. That's 1950.

A7ii and 2870 is 1150, 1635 is 900 and 55mm is 550. A used 70200 is 400 ish.... That's 3000.
 
twist said:
Hang on.... a new d750 and 24120 is 1500, a 35 is 450. That's 1950.

A7ii and 2870 is 1150, 1635 is 900 and 55mm is 550. A used 70200 is 400 ish.... That's 3000.
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Not sure where you got your pricing from:

D750 + 24-120mm is £1500 + 35mm 1.8 is £330-£350 used + 20mm 1.8 around £400 used = £2250


A7II + 28-70 is £1000 on the deal I got - 16-35mm is £650-£700 used - 55mm about £450 used - 70-200 about £300 used (+£50 cheap adapter) then sell the 28-70mm for £200 (same price I got for one 2 months ago) = £2250-2300

All of these prices are readily available if you look in the right places
 
Tom Green said:
Eh? I am pricing that based on selling the 28-70mm - then having 16-35mm, 55mm 1.8 and getting canon 70-200 (used prices for all lenses). They're not random lenses, they are the lenses I would want.
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Where did Canon come from?? We were talking Sony & Nikon...
 
Tom, I think you'll be left wanting no matter what you choose. Not long back you were all over Fuji, and even then you were looking to Sony, now it's Nikon with Canon lenses in the mix. When I decide I'm making a switch, or trying a new brand, I just .... do it! The longer you hesitate the harder it'll be, and honestly, no one else can make the decision for you. You're just going to wait until someone posts exactly what you want to hear.
 
Tom Green said:
When compared to the 7D I had before it, its slow :) IQ wise though I loved it.
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But does the relative slowness actually matter? If it does forget it and move on but if it's just speed lust then have a serious think.
 
Hire some bodies to see what you want or you will be buying / selling till you quit photography
 
woof woof said:
But does the relative slowness actually matter? If it does forget it and move on but if it's just speed lust then have a serious think.
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I'm not sure why speed is an issue for landscape work, though possibly for pets. I'd expect image quality on A7II and D750 to be similar, but if one is not being used because it's too bulky then that's a very good reason to leave well alone.
 
Surely a lot of the issues that made you sell the Sony Sony a7 will be the same in a7ii?

Unfortunately the grass is always greener on the other side, both are excellent cameras with their own downsides, if you go dslr you will be left wishing you had some of the mirrorless magic like eye af and what you see is what you get, If you go mirrorless you will be composing on speed and ergonomics etc unless you get one of the new Sonys like the a9 a7rIII and rII
 
ancient_mariner said:
If size is a problem then consider a D610/600. Not tiny, but not terribly bulky either, and smaller than the D750. Decent dynamic range, enough pixels for high image quality, long battery life, and probably half the price of a D750. Biggest weakness is that focussing is a bit crap in low light, but it's reasonably quick about it.
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I was surprised to learn recently that the D610 is actually fractionally larger than the D750 and a noticeable amount heavier too. Never expected that. Did like my D610 though. Often forgotten about in these discussions but a really good performer and great value new or used.

Anyway, probably doesn't help answer the original question much. There isn't a right or wrong answer with those two, so I'll put my own personal view on it. I'd be going for the Nikon. I really like what Sony are doing but it's really only the A9 and A7Riii where it seems to me like they can compete on all fronts without excuses. And they're both still very £££y. I think this will be a very interesting question in another year or so when an A7iii and maybe some more lens options are floating around. I haven't used all Nikon DSLR's but the D750 always seems to me to be their best all round DSLR bar none when performance for £ is accounted for. It does just about everything well and is a very safe bet.
 
gad-westy said:
Anyway, probably doesn't help answer the original question much. There isn't a right or wrong answer with those two, so I'll put my own personal view on it. I'd be going for the Nikon. I really like what Sony are doing but it's really only the A9 and A7Riii where it seems to me like they can compete on all fronts without excuses. And they're both still very £££y. I think this will be a very interesting question in another year or so when an A7iii and maybe some more lens options are floating around. I haven't used all Nikon DSLR's but the D750 always seems to me to be their best all round DSLR bar none when performance for £ is accounted for. It does just about everything well and is a very safe bet.
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This is something that keeps being said but I think I'm right in saying that body wise if you compare a Sony A7/9 to the direct equivalent the Sony looks even reasonable... Lens wise any defence is more difficult but the lenses may justify any higher price due to the quality and possibly being high mp count ready.
 
woof woof said:
This is something that keeps being said but I think I'm right in saying that body wise if you compare a Sony A7/9 to the direct equivalent the Sony looks even reasonable... Lens wise any defence is more difficult but the lenses may justify any higher price due to the quality and possibly being high mp count ready.
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Yep. I was comparing them to the price of a d750. Which is unfair of course. But from my own perspective it’s only those latest two Sony cameras that have really got me interested.
 
ancient_mariner said:
If size is a problem then consider a D610/600. Not tiny, but not terribly bulky either, and smaller than the D750. Decent dynamic range, enough pixels for high image quality, long battery life, and probably half the price of a D750. Biggest weakness is that focussing is a bit crap in low light, but it's reasonably quick about it.
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D600 and D610 are the same size as the D750 and 10g heavier, plus aren't as good and don't have as nice a grip ;)
 
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