Death penalty

mid_gen said:
States should never murder their citizens, pretty straightforward principle in my book. By all means lock up dangerous individuals, but the snuffing out of someone's life is never acceptable.

Anyway, we're talking about the US which is also totally cool about torturing people, so no surprise they don't even manage to kill their own citizens humanely.
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FFS it's not murder. That's that leftist nonsense. These "citizens " are guilty of rape/murder/paedophilia, do they show in their intentions to their victims that compassion. No. Then why should they?
 
I don't agree with the death penalty at all - taking of a persons life is wrong and executions are nothing more than state sanctioned murder.

The current situation in the states is nothing short of barbaric, using any means required to kill people is pretty shocking.

A gas mask where the prisoner breathes in nitrogen would be pain free and stressless for the convict, it would also be cheap.
 
Denying the executed oxygen would suffocate him/her so would hardly be painless or stress free.
 
Nod said:
Denying the executed oxygen would suffocate him/her so would hardly be painless or stress free.
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But It is.
Check killing with kindness.
 
Nod said:
Denying the executed oxygen would suffocate him/her so would hardly be painless or stress free.
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you don't realise you are breathing in nitrogen and you actually get a euphoric feeling. why do you think people die from nitrogen asphyxiation, they don't realise its happening. its why you have to have doors open and oxygen sensors when you are dealing with liquid nitrogen.
 
ST4 said:
Are we really debating the kindness that should be extended to murderers and child rapists? Just so I'm clear...
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see thats what makes me different from you, while their crimes are horrific, killing is wrong
 
ST4 said:
Are we really debating the kindness that should be extended to murderers and child rapists? Just so I'm clear...
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Just addressing a clinical point, not a moral one. :-)
 
POAH said:
see thats what makes me different from you, while their crimes are horrific, killing is wrong
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Not when you kill scum like that it ain't. It's right. That is what makes you different to me. I can understand not all killing is wrong be it humans or animals.

By your logic you'd not euthanise a dog if it were suffering or eat meat as killing is wrong, or even kill someone if it meant saving your life if you were under attack...Or am I wrong.
 
ST4 said:
Not when you kill scum like that it ain't. It's right. That is what makes you different to me. I can understand not all killing is wrong be it humans or animals.

By your logic you'd not euthanise a dog if it were suffering or eat meat as killing is wrong, or even kill someone if it meant saving your life if you were under attack...Or am I wrong.
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You wouldn't know logic if it bit you on the arse. You sound like a very frustrated little man, mad at authority who gets all his ideas wholesale from people down the pub.
 
ST4 said:
Not when you kill scum like that it ain't. It's right. That is what makes you different to me. I can understand not all killing is wrong be it humans or animals.

By your logic you'd not euthanise a dog if it were suffering or eat meat as killing is wrong, or even kill someone if it meant saving your life if you were under attack...Or am I wrong.
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I've had to euthanise a dog before and its a horrible choice to make even when Nero had 2 strokes. However, thats not the same as killing a healthy animal and killing someone in self defense is not the same as premediated killing. You need to look up the definition of logic before you use it again.
 
norters said:
You wouldn't know logic if it bit you on the arse. You sound like a very frustrated little man, mad at authority who gets all his ideas wholesale from people down the pub.
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Excuse me. Stop making it personal. Just because I don't hold the grotesque liberal views you do doesn't give you the right to sling insults my way. Stop trolling.
 
POAH said:
I've had to euthanise a dog before and its a horrible choice to make even when Nero had 2 strokes. However, thats not the same as killing a healthy animal and killing someone in self defense is not the same as premediated killing. You need to look up the definition of logic before you use it again.
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But you said earlier killing is wrong. Now you are attaching conditions to it to justify it. Let me attach one more for you.

Premeditated killers (murderers) deserve to die. You will not change that fact. A fact many countries agree on as they still have the death sentence.
 
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ST4 said:
Excuse me. Stop making it personal. Just because I don't hold the grotesque liberal views you do doesn't give you the right to sling insults my way. Stop trolling.
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And I'm the troll! You're priceless. And very entertaining. Long may it continue xx
 
norters said:
And I'm the troll! You're priceless. And very entertaining. Long may it continue xx
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Don't you think you are when you include phrases like arse, frustrated little man etc?

Attack the view, not the person but that's always the issue with liberal/human rights/lefty types. They can't help themselves. Executing murders is not murder, making prisoners work in chain gangs isn't slavery, it's punishment and a deterrent to others.

ST4 said:
FFS it's not murder. That's that leftist nonsense. These "citizens " are guilty of rape/murder/paedophilia, do they show in their intentions to their victims that compassion. No. Then why should they?
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I notice my question here remains unanswered to my satisfaction. Please attempt to answer it?
 
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Human rights types!!! Priceless. Don't you want yours because I'll have them!

By not having state sponsored murder of our own citizens it makes us better people than the murderers. Simple. Eye for an eye is a punishment from the dark ages and that's where it deserves to stay.
 
ST4 said:
But you said earlier killing is wrong. Now you are attaching conditions to it to justify it. Let me attach one more for you.

Premeditated killers (murderers) deserve to die. You will not change that fact. A fact many countries agree on as they still have the death sentence.
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It's not a fact, it's your opinion. An opinion most civilised countries disagree with.
 
ST4 said:
But you said earlier killing is wrong. Now you are attaching conditions to it to justify it. Let me attach one more for you.

Premeditated killers (murderers) deserve to die. You will not change that fact. A fact many countries agree on as they still have the death sentence.
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premeditated killers don't deserve to die, killing without purpose is wrong. in this day and age eye for an eye justice is morally outdated.

many countries do have the death sentance but lets see those countries


fab list of countries you like to be associated with. maybe you should move to one of them
 
@viv1969 & @POAH, thanks for enlightening me. I wasn't aware that N2 poisoning (or however it works!) was painless and euphoric.
 
Nod said:
@viv1969 & @POAH, thanks for enlightening me. I wasn't aware that N2 poisoning (or however it works!) was painless and euphoric.
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The facts aren't always tasteful :-)
 
@viv1969 & @POAH, thanks for enlightening me. I wasn't aware that N2 poisoning (or however it works!) was painless and euphoric.

I believe that I watched a documentary, some while ago on the Beeb, on the search for painless killing and CO2 was used on pigs. They put a number of apples in a feed trough and the pig started to eat them. The experimenters then upped the level of gas and the pigs simply keeled over. Fortunately the pigs were revived by adding O2 whereupon they awoke and went back to eating the apples.

Simply my observation.
 
ChasG said:
@viv1969 & @POAH, thanks for enlightening me. I wasn't aware that N2 poisoning (or however it works!) was painless and euphoric.

I believe that I watched a documentary, some while ago on the Beeb, on the search for painless killing and CO2 was used on pigs. They put a number of apples in a feed trough and the pig started to eat them. The experimenters then upped the level of gas and the pigs simply keeled over. Fortunately the pigs were revived by adding O2 whereupon they awoke and went back to eating the apples.

Simply my observation.
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And the point?
 
norters said:
You wouldn't know logic if it bit you on the arse. You sound like a very frustrated little man, mad at authority who gets all his ideas wholesale from people down the pub.
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And you just don't like anyone whose opinion differs from yours
 
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cambsno said:
And you just don't like anyone whose opinion differs from yours
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And that's just not true. If there was coherent arguments coming from the hang 'em brigade then there would be a healthy debate. But all your ilk do is sensationalise things and rattle your cute little sabres.

It's a daft debate really as the death penalty will NEVER be re-introduced to this country. We are civilised. Nations that kill their own are not. Do you not wish to live in a civilised country? I certainly do.

Have a pleasant night sweetums xx
 
I understand the reasons for and against the death penalty. Personally I do side with being pro for the most extreme crimes. While some may take the moral high ground saying we are better than murderers, can someone explain the benefit of letting the likes if sutcliffe, neilsen, Huntley and the rugby killers (among others) live? Surely they can never be released?

All I know is that from a personal point of view, if a loved one was murdered I could probably just about cope if they were jailed for life (and I mean life). If I knew they would be out in 10/15 years then I don't think I could rest until they were dead. Human nature.
 
norters said:
And that's just not true. If there was coherent arguments coming from the hang 'em brigade then there would be a healthy debate. But all your ilk do is sensationalise things and rattle your cute little sabres.

It's a daft debate really as the death penalty will NEVER be re-introduced to this country. We are civilised. Nations that kill their own are not. Do you not wish to live in a civilised country? I certainly do.

Have a pleasant night sweetums xx
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I actually think there are strong and credible arguments to having AND not having the death penalty. There are people that are a serious threat to society and have committed awful crimes. Is it actually more cruel to keep the likes of Ian Brady alive?
 
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norters said:
Human rights types!!! Priceless. Don't you want yours because I'll have them!

By not having state sponsored murder of our own citizens it makes us better people than the murderers. Simple. Eye for an eye is a punishment from the dark ages and that's where it deserves to stay.
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It's very fitting and the US does it properly.
 
ST4 said:
It's very fitting and the US does it properly.
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I think you'll find that when it comes to killing its own, in light of recent events, the US certainly does not 'do it properly'.
 
ST4 said:
They die? Isn't that doing it properly ?
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:)

What's been happening over there is classed as 'cruel and unusual punishment'. Even the Americans frown upon it. They might as well start injecting people with domestos. It's as far from civilised as you can possibly go.

Would you prefer to live in an uncivilised, backwards, morally bankrupt country like the USA or Japan? You'd love it in America. You can shoot people who trespass on your property.
 
ST4 said:
Compared to Glasgow, Coventry is middle class. Just sayin'
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compared to Glasgow, Donetsk is middle class and peaceful
 
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norters said:
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What's been happening over there is classed as 'cruel and unusual punishment'. Even the Americans frown upon it. They might as well start injecting people with domestos. It's as far from civilised as you can possibly go.

Would you prefer to live in an uncivilised, backwards, morally bankrupt country like the USA or Japan? You'd love it in America. You can shoot people who trespass on your property.
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More racism??? Morally bankrupt countries...really. In 2014. What happened to accepting cultural differences and embracing other races.

I'd probably love the US or Japan. More than here.
 
ST4 said:
More racism??? Morally bankrupt countries...really. In 2014. What happened to accepting cultural differences and embracing other races.

I'd probably love the US or Japan. More than here.
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I'm sure America would love you! You can probably fill in your order for fifty assault rifles while you're on the plane over there. Seriously though, why don't you move there? By the sounds of your posts you are quite well off, you could live the American dream.

Ps. Calling America morally bankruptcy is not racist. It's fact. They kill their own. They let sick people die because they cannot afford cancer treatment. They allow private citizens to walk around openly carrying firearms like Wild Bill Hicock! Ah go on. Please go to America. They'd probably love your accent.
 
norters said:
They allow private citizens to walk around openly carrying firearms like Wild Bill Hicock!
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Some states allow "open carry" some states allow "concealed carry"
some states you need a licence (or should that be a permit to exclude?)

I'll put this to you.
Its part of their daily life. just like we wear a watch.
So accept that fact. Its given.
But of course its not compulsory.
You don't have to have a side arm.
Although as I understand it, almost every household has a fire arm of some kind for "home defence"
I spent time in South Dakota, some years back, and never saw one person "carrying"

Would you prefer to walk around wondering if that person is carrying a gun? (Maybe concealed)
Or would you prefer to know? (Open)

Is someone likely to rob a "drug store" 7/11 etc.
when all / half the customers are also wearing side arms?

Mod hat back on, can we please quit with personal insults, thats everyone
I've warned you all enough times.
the won't be any more warnings.
 
I'd rather private citizens be forbidden to own or carry guns but that's an issue that's been hung, drawn and quartered on these forums too often.
 
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