Death penalty

AHILL said:
But one thing to remember is that there are a lot more motorists than nonces, rapists & murderers so your argument doesn't stack up.
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I think it does "stack up" as I'm comparing members of the general public who rape & kill with drivers who kill. Both groups are capable of killing but not all rapists and murderers drive, so the "pool" of people who might rape or murder is larger than the "pool" of drivers who might kill.
 
boliston said:
unfortunately motorists kill far more people than "nonces, rapists & murderers" do.
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But not intentionally. It's not like they wake up one day and say, hey I'm gonna run over a child and deliberately drive their car into a child.

No, they do it unintentionally, negligently, carelessly not not deliberately.

There's a case in Edinburgh at the moment where a guy broke into a 85year olds house, sexually assaulted her and beat her up so bad she's dead. The leftists would say he had a bad child hood and it's societies fault etc and would hate to think of such a person hanging from the ropes but as soon as a car driver is involved in a death all the hysterical tripe of how they should never see the light of day comes out.

For the record the guy was in his twenties, I hope he dies in jail, hopefully some armed robber called Vinnay gives him a seeing too.,,

For the record although I disagree with moose he is refreshing and consistent in his posting, yeah he has a bee in his bonnet about maniac drivers and wants tough punishment for them but he's not afraid to say rapists, nonces and murderers (not accidental killers but deliberate ones) should die in the justice system. It pains me, he's right and you sir, are not.
 
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ST4 said:
But not intentionally. It's not like they wake up one day and say, hey I'm gonna run over a child and deliberately drive their car into a child.

No, they do it unintentionally, negligently, carelessly not not deliberately.

There's a case in Edinburgh at the moment where a guy broke into a 85year olds house, sexually assaulted her and beat her up so bad she's dead. The leftists would say he had a bad child hood and it's societies fault etc and would hate to think of such a person hanging from the ropes but as soon as a car driver is involved in a death all the hysterical tripe of how they should never see the light of day comes out.

For the record the guy was in his twenties, I hope he dies in jail, hopefully some armed robber called Vinnay gives him a seeing too.,,

For the record although I disagree with moose he is refreshing and consistent in his posting, yeah he has a bee in his bonnet about maniac drivers and wants tough punishment for them but he's not afraid to say rapists, nonces and murderers (not accidental killers but deliberate ones) should die in the justice system. It pains me, he's right and you sir, are not.
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This 'leftist' (whatever that means), would say that that man was a vicious psychopath that should be locked up for the rest of his life.
 
boliston said:
unfortunately motorists kill far more people than "nonces, rapists & murderers" do.
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And in 99.9% of cases they did not intend to. Most of us have had an accident at some point, if only kerbing a wheel. A lot of the time it is often a mistake, human error.
 
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AHILL said:
But one thing to remember is that there are a lot more motorists than nonces, rapists & murderers so your argument doesn't stack up.
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and also most motorists don't do it intentionally (and even the number who do it recklessly is quite small)
 
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ChasG said:
I am curious as to where you could find all the dog***t - round our way, a not so salubrious area of Nottingham, there is generally very little.
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We have an ample supply of it down here - We could send you some if you want ;)

that aside even if its not dog s*** , presumably you have chewing gum, used condoms, cigarette butts, graffit and all the usual urban detritus which since austerity the council can no longer afford to pay to have cleaned up
 
big soft moose said:
that aside even if its not dog s*** , presumably you have chewing gum, used condoms, cigarette butts, graffit and all the usual urban detritus which since austerity the council can no longer afford to pay to have cleaned up
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Perhaps they should set up more speed traps or increase the fines for speeding, and fine the nonces/murders/rapists as well as shoot them. Ought to plug the gap.
 
ST4 said:
Perhaps they should set up more speed traps or increase the fines for speeding, and fine the nonces/murders/rapists as well as shoot them. Ought to plug the gap.
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I reckon we fit all police cars with hell fire missiles , a laser designator, and a chain gun , and let them light up anyone they see breaking the law ... that should cut down sharply on crime - then we film it and release the tapes to a new reality show " police, camera, eat s*** and die mother f****r "
 
big soft moose said:
I reckon we fit all police cars with hell fire missiles , a laser designator, and a chain gun , and let them light up anyone they see breaking the law ... that should cut down sharply on crime - then we film it and release the tapes to a new reality show " police, camera, eat s*** and die mother f****e "
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Dibble with a chain gun, in Glasgow they'd still lose but it would level the odds a bit.
 
ChasG said:
I too have concerns about the death penalty.
1. Why do they keep he prisoners alive so long before they actually carry out the sentence? This does not mean that I agree they should be killed but in the UK most would have served their term and be free long before the event.
2. Why are the drugs used in lethal injection so complicated? I have, in the past, had to have my dog put down and it was one simple jab and they go to sleep peacefully, I hope. Or does it mean that my dog suffered horrifically?
3. If you are going to execute someone why not use hanging? It is said that Albert Pierrepoint, Britains last hangman, took at most 11 seconds from the death cell to the death. I am aware also that he, eventually, was against hanging.
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1. To allow sufficient time for any options for appeal to lapse. The justice system is administered by people after all. People do make mistakes.

2. To prevent replication outside the legal system.

3. Because even hanging is not foolproof.
 
the reason death penalty in america takes so long to process is more to do with lawyers stringing it out than to do with prisoners rights - really you have to wonder how many appeals are necessary - if they've been found guilty, been found guilty again by the appeal court and had an appeal the clemency rejected that should really be that
 
ST4 said:
Dibble with a chain gun, in Glasgow they'd still lose but it would level the odds a bit.
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In glasgow they'd probably need to replace the police car with a Bradley fighting vehicle, and the police helicopter with an apache gunship :D
 
big soft moose said:
In glasgow they'd probably need to replace the police car with a Bradley fighting vehicle, and the police helicopter with an apache gunship :D
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Is that to demolish this sess pit of a place, or just to round up the contents of suchiehall street on a friday night. If its the later, you probably want to add a fleet of challenger 2 tanks and maybe a few harrier jump jets, to deal with the riots in Barlinnhe
 
ST4 said:
just to round up the contents of suchiehall street on a friday night.
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I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit , its the only way to be sure
 
MWHCVT said:
How exactly is suffer long years in prison a Christian mentality, I was under the impression that Christians practiced forgiveness!
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Both in the Bible and the lords prayer, it says God will forgive us ( on the day of judgement) in the same way we have forgiven others.

Forgiveness is not the same as not punishing.
For our sins to be forgiven we need to both repent and change our ways.
Only God can forgive sins.

The law punishes crimes.
 
Although many of our laws are based on the "bible", and the 10 commandments,
Exodus 21:24 "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot",
25"burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise".…

Not exactly very Christian is it?

Edit Steve, ( @ST4 ) stop copying me while I'm still typing :p
 
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Cobra said:
You're certainly special I'll give you that :D
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If I was a Gaurdian reading, Bristol residing, hemp bag carrying sort of person who saw SUVs as the end of the earth and death sentences as murder/community service as slavery..., I'd be able to take offence at that....

As it were, I am special and I rock :D
 
Cobra said:
Although many of our laws are based on the "bible", and the 10 commandments,
Exodus 21:24 "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot",
25"burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise".…

Not exactly very Christian is it?

Edit Steve, ( @ST4 ) stop copying me while I'm still typing :p
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To be fair to the best selling work of fiction (...), Exodus isn't a Christian text, more an adaptation from the older version (which I have a feeling is now followed by the 3 religions based on ancient middle Eastern folklore.)
 
Nod said:
To be fair to the best selling work of fiction (...), Exodus isn't a Christian text,
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Well Exodus appears in the old testament, (Protestant)
Old testament (Catholic)
Besides the Easter Outhodox (Old testament) and the Tanakh.

Who knows who, and to be frank, I don't care, who first coined the words and the sayings.
But its there in black and white in the English Version.
 
Cobra said:
Although many of our laws are based on the "bible", and the 10 commandments,
Exodus 21:24 "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot",
25"burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise".…

Not exactly very Christian is it?

Edit Steve, ( @ST4 ) stop copying me while I'm still typing :p
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old testament innit -ie judaism (while it did say thou shalt not kill it meant 'without good reason' - as shortly after receiving these comandments the isrealites went on to slaughter a shed load of philistines ) - it also said thou shalt not covet thy neighbours ass not thy neighbours wife - but a whole load of coveting goes on in the old testament as well

new testament is all forgive your enemies's , turn the other cheek and get crucified for your trouble stuff
 
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big soft moose said:
old testament innit -ie judaism (while it did say thou shalt not kill it meant 'without good reason' - as shortly after receiving these comandments the isrealites went on to slaughter a shed load of philistines ) - it also said thou shalt not covet thy neighbours ass not thy neighbours wife - but a whole load of coveting goes on in the old testament as well

new testament is all forgive your enemies's , turn the other cheek and get crucified for your trouble stuff
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Back on topic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28565546

Here is a murderer that should hang. He used a lorry to drive over someone. 15 years and he will be out, for deliberately killing someone with intent.
 
big soft moose said:
I reckon we fit all police cars with hell fire missiles , a laser designator, and a chain gun , and let them light up anyone they see breaking the law ... that should cut down sharply on crime - then we film it and release the tapes to a new reality show " police, camera, eat s*** and die mother f****e "
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Why am I not surprised.
 
I love how only those 10 commandments are the "sexy" ones when there were supposedly so many more :lol:
 
viv1969 said:
I love how only those 10 commandments are the "sexy" ones when there were supposedly so many more :LOL:
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Yeah but they are the fun ones to break :D
 
ST4 said:
If I was a Gaurdian reading, Bristol residing, hemp bag carrying sort of person who saw SUVs as the end of the earth and death sentences as murder/community service as slavery..., I'd be able to take offence at that....
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Why single out Bristol residents?:confused:
 
ST4 said:
If I was a Gaurdian reading, Bristol residing, hemp bag carrying sort of person who saw SUVs as the end of the earth and death sentences as murder/community service as slavery..., I'd be able to take offence at that....

As it were, I am special and I rock :D
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I am not in Bristol any more and I am eyeing a nice SUV... :)
 
only someone from Glasgow could think Bristol was middle class ;)
 
The old testament is Jewish in origin. It predates Christianity by hundreds of years.
most Jews interpret thou shalt no kill, as you should not murder, the concept of an eye for an eye is Jewish not Christian.
 
Because people follow a faith does not make them surrogates for God.
It is not our function to carry out punishments on behalf of God.
He is more than capable of doing that for himself.

However we are required to support civil laws, both to obey them and if appointed to do so, to enforce them.

In neither civil nor religious offences have we any justification to take things into our own hands.
 
States should never murder their citizens, pretty straightforward principle in my book. By all means lock up dangerous individuals, but the snuffing out of someone's life is never acceptable.

Anyway, we're talking about the US which is also totally cool about torturing people, so no surprise they don't even manage to kill their own citizens humanely.
 
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