Death Penalty in Bali

Status
Not open for further replies.
Definitely justified, their rules their decision
 
Yes and Yes

I doubt it will actually happen given the direction the country is heading (at least according to the Aussie lawyer on the radio this morning). I'm against the death penalty for any crime in any country for reasons which have been discussed here many times already but... I have no vote there and the penalty for drug smuggling is and has been well known, if someone then gets caught I cannot see why they should not apply the law to them. I'm also a bit concerned that there's been no public reaction to the possible fate of the thirteen other people currently on death row in Indonesia. Our press is great at the holier than thou attitude when it comes to defending Brits abroad but very quiet when they don't think it will generate sales.
 
FWIW....I say justified. I am for the death penalty in any country in which it has been proved beyond doubt that the accused in guilty. And I can think of one personal instance in this country in which I'd carry out the sentence myself :D
 
harsh - very harsh

paedos and murderers yes

drug trafficking under duress NO
 
It seems a bit had but there country there rules... Don't break them!
 
Gr8Shot said:
harsh - very harsh

paedos and murderers yes

drug trafficking under duress NO
Click to expand...

Hmmm...You don't think that someone, sometime, has killed another person under duress?
 
viv1969 said:
Hmmm...You don't think that someone, sometime, has killed another person under duress?
Click to expand...
yes and i believe there are circumstances that should be accounted for, but in my eyes they are not Murderers just someone who flipped,

i'm talking about cold blooded ruthless killers, rapists, molesters, the proper scum of the earth.
 
She's claiming her family were threatened. If true then that would put you in an awkward position.

Prosecution only wanted 15 years prison so how has she managed to make things worse for herself?
 
I don't see why if the prosecutors were looking for 15 years as punishment why the judges went with the firing squad..


If she really was forced into it then I feel a little sorry for her, but if its cock and bull then 'dems da rules.
 
I hate it when politicians get involved in cases like this.
 
ecoleman said:
They are making an example out of her and send a clear message. Something the UK should try now and then.
Click to expand...

I think the opposite, her sentence will be remitted as a 'magnanimous' gesture by the President or on appeal during the process. Unless there are circumstances which we are not aware of.
 
The bullet will hopefully send a message.
 
neil_g said:
If she really was forced into it then I feel a little sorry for her, but if its cock and bull then 'dems da rules.
Click to expand...

exactly - it sounds like a cock and bull story - she was forced into drug trafficking into bali after a disagreement over rent money she paid for her son in england, yeah erm right, and we also believe in the easter bunny :shake:

If it was trafficking into the UK I could just about see that - but there are far easier ways for an asian based gang to bring drugs into indonesia than coercing a british grandmother (fast boats into deserted beaches being the obvious one)

AFAIK we only have her word for any of this supposed coersion being true (its also odd that she feared for her families life so much that she was willing to smuggle, but having been caught she's now willing to tell that she was coerced, doesnt she fear reprisals against her family if she doesnt keep her mouth shut ? )
 
big soft moose said:
exactly - it sounds like a cock and bull story - she was forced into drug trafficking into bali after a disagreement over rent money she paid for her son in england, yeah erm right, and we also believe in the easter bunny :shake:

If it was trafficking into the UK I could just about see that - but there are far easier ways for an asian based gang to bring drugs into indonesia than coercing a british grandmother (fast boats into deserted beaches being the obvious one)

AFAIK we only have her word for any of this supposed coersion being true (its also odd that she feared for her families life so much that she was willing to smuggle, but having been caught she's now willing to tell that she was coerced, doesnt she fear reprisals against her family if she doesnt keep her mouth shut ? )
Click to expand...

Drug dealers threaten family member is hardly a fantastical work of fiction. She had £1.6 million pounds of drugs on her, chances are this mob don't say please.
 
Any person of reasonable IQ and intelligence must realise the potential consequences of smuggling best part of 4.5kg of cocaine in a suitcase. A lot of the far east asia is well known for their no tolerance laws and penalties for drug smuggling.

To be the whole son and rent thing sounds a bit implausible. Who knows - however it it were true, then surely better causes of action.
 
Death penalty is never justified. A savage punishment dealt out by savage nations. I'll probably be accused of being in some sort of 'brigade' but I don't care :)
 
viv1969 said:
And I can think of one personal instance in this country in which I'd carry out the sentence myself :D
Click to expand...

Jimmy is already dead though :D
Yup! She knew what she was doing and would have probably got a nice earner out of it had she pulled it off. A few more harsh punishments brought back in this country would make a few think twice. Out of interest has anybody watched the first episode of Death row with trevor Mc Donald?
 
Last edited:
norters said:
Death penalty is never justified. A savage punishment dealt out by savage nations. I'll probably be accused of being in some sort of 'brigade' but I don't care :)
Click to expand...

Not at all, I'm opposed to the death penalty myself for the reason that it is never possible to be 100% certain of the guilt of the defendant, too many times people have been executed and later evidence shows there to be doubt as to their guilt. I'd be a touch miffed if that person was me.
 
u8myufo said:
Jimmy is already dead though :D
Yup! She knew what she was doing and would have probably got a nice earner out of it had she pulled it off. A few more harsh punishments brought back in this country would make a few think twice. Out of interest has anybody watched the first episode of Death row with trevor Mc Donald?
Click to expand...

yeah the death penalty has really cut crime in America hasn't it?
 
u8myufo said:
Jimmy is already dead though :D
Yup! She knew what she was doing and would have probably got a nice earner out of it had she pulled it off. A few more harsh punishments brought back in this country would make a few think twice. Out of interest has anybody watched the first episode of Death row with trevor Mc Donald?
Click to expand...

Yes watched it last night. Must admit to feeling a little bit sorry for the guy who whilst not on x row got 170 yrs for the double murder when he was 13. Not saying he should not have been punished... Seems to be trying to make the best of his situation...
 
Gr8Shot said:
yeah the death penalty has really cut crime in America hasn't it?
Click to expand...

Something nobody will ever know, could it or would it be worse if there was no such punishment as the death penalty :shrug:
 
viv1969 said:
And I can think of one personal instance in this country in which I'd carry out the sentence myself :D
Click to expand...

thats a littler harsh - I'd have thought that divorcing him was sufficient :lol:
 
Lynton said:
Yes watched it last night. Must admit to feeling a little bit sorry for the guy who whilst not on x row got 170 yrs for the double murder when he was 13. Not saying he should not have been punished... Seems to be trying to make the best of his situation...
Click to expand...

That guy stood out in my mind as well, like you say, not as though he should not have been punished,. Kind of hard to put into words really, he has certainly had a lot of time to reflect and change his perception on life. Some though are just outright fruit loops.
 
u8myufo said:
Jimmy is already dead though :D
Yup! She knew what she was doing and would have probably got a nice earner out of it had she pulled it off. A few more harsh punishments brought back in this country would make a few think twice. Out of interest has anybody watched the first episode of Death row with trevor Mc Donald?
Click to expand...

Nothing to do with Jimmy.
 
How many people have been killed due to the proliferation of drugs ... two today just because of ecstacy - you want to deal in misery, accept the consequences.
 
I think when people say "death sentence", they gloss over the fact that what they're really saying is "Yes, I think she should be killed for what she did".

Nobody should be killed for a crime. Not even murder. The reason why we have the society we do is because we don't kill, under ANY circumstances. We don't do it because it would be easy. We stick with the harder task of trying to educate and rehabilitate. It's what makes us better than every country that thinks executing people is a deterrent. You will never deter the desperate.

Whatever role this woman played, she is survived by people who have committed no crime, and they will grieve for the rest of their days because of this woman's actions.

An old lady is going to be blindfolded and made to stand against a wall so that her fellow humans can blow her brains out from a distance. Because she transported a drug across a border.

It's disgusting.
 
gramps said:
How many people have been killed due to the proliferation of drugs ... two today just because of ecstacy - you want to deal in misery, accept the consequences.
Click to expand...

Or you could spin the problem on its head. Legalise the drug, regulate it's production so that it isn't cut with dodgy chemicals that normally create greatest risk, and then sell it through official channels. That way you simultaneously improve the quality of the drugs available, you pull the rug from under the organisations that traffic drugs illegally and often fund more extreme interests with the profits, and prevent the need for the proliferation of new legal highs that are created in a test tube and are often far more dangerous.

It's pretty clear that a blanket ban hasn't exactly prevented their use, just like prohibition has previously completely failed to stop alcohol consumption.
 
London Headshots said:
I think when people say "death sentence", they gloss over the fact that what they're really saying is "Yes, I think she should be killed for what she did".

Nobody should be killed for a crime. Not even murder. The reason why we have the society we do is because we don't kill, under ANY circumstances. We don't do it because it would be easy. We stick with the harder task of trying to educate and rehabilitate. It's what makes us better than every country that thinks executing people is a deterrent. You will never deter the desperate.

Whatever role this woman played, she is survived by people who have committed no crime, and they will grieve for the rest of their days because of this woman's actions.

An old lady is going to be blindfolded and made to stand against a wall so that her fellow humans can blow her brains out from a distance. Because she transported a drug across a border.

It's disgusting.
Click to expand...

:clap: said far better than I could.
 
London Headshots said:
I think when people say "death sentence", they gloss over the fact that what they're really saying is "Yes, I think she should be killed for what she did".

Nobody should be killed for a crime. Not even murder. The reason why we have the society we do is because we don't kill, under ANY circumstances. We don't do it because it would be easy. We stick with the harder task of trying to educate and rehabilitate. It's what makes us better than every country that thinks executing people is a deterrent. You will never deter the desperate.

Whatever role this woman played, she is survived by people who have committed no crime, and they will grieve for the rest of their days because of this woman's actions.

An old lady is going to be blindfolded and made to stand against a wall so that her fellow humans can blow her brains out from a distance. Because she transported a drug across a border.

It's disgusting.
Click to expand...

This. 100%. Thank you for this post.
 
Many people who die due to reasons only at the control of another person are survived by others who will grieve thier passing. That particular reasoning is inane.
 
London Headshots said:
Thanks for stating the blindingly obvious. I was wondering who was entitled to their opinion, and now you've cleared that up for me. So that's good.
Click to expand...

Blindingly obvious is obviously what was needed. No thanks necessary.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top