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I am in a discussion on another forum with somebody who has taken exception to the price of a school photo print pack of their kid. They simply want a digital photo for a "fraction of the cost" so they can print it themselves - which they obviously arent going to get.

but........

Somebody has just come onto the thread and suggested to the OP to use the DPA against the photographer, and that the photographer must hand over the photograph in accordance with the DPA for a "nominal fee".

Now I dont believe the DPA applies in the case of a photograph taken under these circumstances - but just wanted to get a second opinion.
 
I'm familiar with the DPA but I fail to see where it relates to this? Well, in short, it doesn't! The data protection act exists only to protect sensitive personal data and the way it is kept and divulged - such as names, addresses, dates of birth, police data, medical records etc etc etc...

As for the photos, its a simple agreement between tog and customer, if they dont want to pay they wont receive the product!
 
surly it has absolutly nothing to do with the DPA??
 
I am in a discussion on another forum with somebody who has taken exception to the price of a school photo print pack of their kid. They simply want a digital photo for a "fraction of the cost" so they can print it themselves - which they obviously arent going to get.

I'd mildly suggest they take their own digi camera and do the thing themselves. There's always someone who wants something for nothing.
 
I suspect they're thinking about the freedom of information act.
This only covers data held by public authorities. I am pretty confident the photographer isn't classed as a public authority therefore the act doesn't apply.
 
That doesn't mention school photos in the same sense as the OP is talking, but this is an offer and acceptance scenario, the tog offers the images for a price, the parent can accept or reject.

It does, as it covers (albeit broadly) those taken for 'personal' reasons, which a school tog doing portraits for the parents to have at home are, which it then confirms don't relate to the DPA.
 
That refers to the schools usage of the photos, ie, they shoudn't use a 'personal' photo (which the ones referred to by the OP are) in, for example, a prospectus, but it does show that personal use stuff is exempt as we thought!

Cant believe someone thought you could use it to get cheap snaps, people will try anything!!

Funny that i'm sure the first paragraph states

This Good Practice Guidance is aimed at Local Education Authorities and those
working within schools, colleges and universities. It gives advice on taking
photographs in educational institutions and whether doing so must comply with the
Data Protection Act 1998


Then goes on to

Where the Act does apply, a common sense approach suggests that if the
photographer asks for permission to take a photograph, this will usually be enough toensure compliance.
• Photos taken for official school use may be covered by the Act and pupils and
students should be advised why they are being taken.
• Photos taken purely for personal use are exempt from the Act.

Your just looking at examples quoted in the text
 
People love to shout "DPA!!", rarely does it actually apply to those shouty people.

A quick phone call to the Registrar will set you straight, although I believe it not to be covered.

Schools, LEA's and local authorities often print "advice" which is wrong, but they still carry on....

Don't believe anyone else, talk to the organ grinder, not the monkey...
 
Funny that i'm sure the first paragraph states

This Good Practice Guidance is aimed at Local Education Authorities and those
working within schools, colleges and universities. It gives advice on taking
photographs in educational institutions and whether doing so must comply with the
Data Protection Act 1998


Then goes on to

Where the Act does apply, a common sense approach suggests that if the
photographer asks for permission to take a photograph, this will usually be enough toensure compliance.
• Photos taken for official school use may be covered by the Act and pupils and
students should be advised why they are being taken.
• Photos taken purely for personal use are exempt from the Act.

Your just looking at examples quoted in the text

I'm confused. Your saying what I'm saying! And your last line which I've highlighted proves my point - personal photos (which are incudes photos taken in school by a school tog but for use at home) are exempt.

The only times the DPA would apply, a good example is in that link, is a photo taken for a school pass. This is not personal use as its for official school use.
 
People love to shout "DPA!!", rarely does it actually apply to those shouty people.

A quick phone call to the Registrar will set you straight, although I believe it not to be covered.

Schools, LEA's and local authorities often print "advice" which is wrong, but they still carry on....

Don't believe anyone else, talk to the organ grinder, not the monkey...

Ditto. Only the Registrar can be deemed reliable in the giving of guidance regarding the DPA.
 
could it not be argued that it's a commercial agreement between the school and the photographer?

I personally don't think it should come under the DPA and she should have to pay or not get, just trying to cover all angles......it could be deemed a very broad cover to say photographs taken by a pro tog would be deemed wholly personal use.
 
Surely if this was "normal" school photo session the contract is between the school and thep hotographer as gheesom says. That being the case the OP should tell the individual that it has nowt to do with him and that he/she needs to speak with the school.
 
Somebody has just come onto the thread and suggested to the OP to use the DPA against the photographer, and that the photographer must hand over the photograph in accordance with the DPA for a "nominal fee".

LMAO! Some people...experts in everything

You've got to feel sorry for the poor togger unfortunate enough to have shot this child if he's getting flak like that...I think I'd just delete the images of the child in question and be done with it. Problem solved.
 
The photos are normally taken as part of the school pupil record maintenance process, matching up the individual photos to each childs record is a right time consuming task as well. As part of the photography process, the tog gets to market the shots to doting parents, who may purchase for a price, but there is no obligation for the parents to do so.
 
I think they are refering to the fact that cctv is supposed to give you a copy of any image with you in it provided you have the rough time and place and pay the small fee, it even applies to small corner shops (I'm told) although you'd not get much luck in any of the shops I have been in recently.
As I understand it applies to images taken in public places where you have no choice to refuse to be videoed, I'm fairly sure a school photographer wouldn't come under it, your images were taken with consent in the first place and on school property.
 
Just picked up this thread when looking for something else.

The major problem here is that the DPA in relation to photography is largely untested in the courts.

The ICO (and anyone else) can set out their opinion, but until the courts have ruled on a matter like this, then their interpretation of the law is only that, an untested interpretation.

• Photos taken purely for personal use are exempt from the Act.

emphasis added - presumably the photographer got paid for his work, so it's not purely personal use.

First up: is a photograph personal data? Secondly, do subject access provisions apply?

ICO Data Protection Technical Guidance:
Determining what information is ‘data’ for the purposes of the DPA

published January last year, and referenced in a recent ICO consultation for a Code of Practice on online information*, which has received a fair bit of attention elsewhere precisely because it does state that photographs, especially digitally recorded ones, are covered by the DPA, though this is not entirely novel when you look back over the last ten years.

Information Commissioner's Office said:
3.2 Non-text information (sound and image information)

Sound and image information may be captured by a variety of means, the most common of which are recordings on photographic film or magnetic tape or the digital capture of sounds or images.

(a) Still images produced from photographic film

In order to be viewed a still image captured on photographic film must be developed and then usually printed and retained as a photograph. The processes involved in capturing and creating the hardcopy photograph may involve the use of highly sophisticated technical equipment. However the resulting photograph, without further action (such as scanning or other image capture), is not automatically processed.

Hardcopy photographic images may nonetheless still be ‘data’ for the purposes of the DPA where they are retained with other information in a ‘relevant filing system’ (discussed in sections 3 to 6 of the main body of this guidance) and thereby may also be personal data for the purposes of the DPA.

Whether the individual whose image has been captured may exercise his right of subject access in relation to a photograph will depend on whether the photograph is held in a relevant filing system.

(b) Sounds and images held in an automatically processed form

Still and moving images and sounds are recorded for a variety of purposes. Where recordings are made to record social or domestic activities it is likely that the DPA ‘domestic purposes’ exemption will apply to the processing. In contrast, where recordings are used in a professional or business context the provisions of the DPA are likely apply in full.

Emphasis added - subject access is the right or persons to access personal data held by a data controller under the DPA.

I'll also assume that the photographs were taken digitally and/or filed/tagged against the name of the pupil.

I'm erring toward the opinion that, in the circumstances outlined in the OP, it the photographs are probably not exempt under 'domestic purposes', which would then allow access to the data under the DPA.

However...

Give them a 240x160 image on a CD charge the statutory fee for info £10 I think :D

Would probably cover it, provided that the 240x160 image was sufficient to

- identify the individual

- demonstrate any significant editing that had taken place (fourth principle of Data Protection that information held should be 'accurate and up to date', which opens a whole can of worms in relation to post-processing)

Bear in mind that you would have to supply all the data you hold on the data subject [i.e the child], so not just the 'pick' published shot(s) but any others you retain where the child was blinking/gurning, etc. ;)

A useful run-down on the DPA and photography here (published in Jan 2005)

http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/stillimages/advice/data-protection/

* the topic I was actually looking for when I found this thread
 
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